"Man cannot Save Himself" Bible Verses

[Karma2Grace]

Let me try to phrase this in a way that's not offensive, because it's not my intention to offend...

Do you also believe in Nostradamus?

What are you doing here? Do you believe in Nostradamus?

Furthermore, how can you be certain that none of these "prophecies" were retrofitted by later editors?

Birth and Death of christ are histrocial facts!

I doubt you'd appreciate someone calling the bible a joke. It's not my religion, but if it were, I'd be offended by what you said.

I would appriciate if some one calls bible as Joke and sustain it...

 

[Karma2Grace]

How come Karma and Grace co-exists , Will it not cancel each other ?, If i have to earn my salvation through good works then it is my right NOT grace

 

[Karma2Grace]

Hello.

And what exactly are we saving ourselves from? A hell that God created to punish us for the nature He imbued us with? That's a little bizarre, don't you think?

Mu.

Metta,
ZW

God didn't created the Hell, We created by our rebellion acts , The sinfull nature was acquired by rebelling against him

 

[Saraswati-Devi]

How come Karma and Grace co-exists , Will it not cancel each other ?, If i have to earn my salvation through good works then it is my right NOT grace

What is this sin you keep speaking about you choose not to save yourself from?

 

[TrueQ]

Nonsense, what's to stop me from saving myself? I have pretty good bead on what separates right from wrong, a modicum of willpower, and great love for smiling children and gambling with fake money, I have all the necessary ingredients to live a healthy, positive life. And not more than two drops of this came to me through any deity. I suppose its vaguely possible that I've been tricked by some tricky god(dess), but if that were the case, surely there would be some sign that all was not as it was, a sense of not belonging, fiery letters in the sky, or some such?

 

[Zen_Woof]

God didn't created the Hell, We created by our rebellion acts , The sinfull nature was acquired by rebelling against him

Then by that logic, we can create heaven too. No intercessor is necessary.

Metta,
ZW

 

[Fuzzy]

I made a post to validate my claim that why bible is true, Now it is your turn why do you think man is devine?

Self-cognizance, abstract thought, planning, artisitic expression, philosophy, and the ability to ask "Why?"

Cogito, Ergo Sum.

So morality is replaced with mysticism?

No, and I never said it was. Morality is how you act in regards to a set of principles, usually held by a society.

, BTW i heard you are saying self-realization, What did you realized? Are you a god or sinner?

I'm neither. I'm me. How can I be a sinner if I don't believe in sin? Through self-realization, I recognize how my actions impact others.

 

[MahaSudarshanChakra]

I would appriciate if some one calls bible as Joke and sustain it...

No Hindu would dare to call it a joke because it is about his own God. Do you know who God the father is?

We are of course, at liberty to make fun of dogmatic interpretations,

 

[TooCurious]

What are you doing here? Do you believe in Nostradamus?

What am I doing here? I'm trying to make a point. And no, I don't believe in Nostradamus; my point was that if your main criterion for believing in something is allegedly-proven prophecies, then wouldn't it make sense for you to believe in Nostradamus too? A lot of people think his prophecies have come true.

Birth and Death of christ are histrocial facts!

IF you believe in the bible and use it as a historical reference. If you don't use it as a historical reference, then it's much harder to prove that either of those things happened.

I would appriciate if some one calls bible as Joke and sustain it...

www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

 

[Proud Hindu]

God didn't created the Hell, We created by our rebellion acts , The sinfull nature was acquired by rebelling against him

Who wouldn't rebel against such a tyrant?

"Kafar Bhanda Marnu Ramro" - "Better to die than to live a coward."

-Nepali saying

 

[MahaSudarshanChakra]

How come Karma and Grace co-exists , Will it not cancel each other ?, If i have to earn my salvation through good works then it is my right NOT grace

Where did you get this info from - nobody can get salvation thru good works. Good works lead only to temporary heaven. Salvation is possible only by total surrender to Lord Krishna. The Bhagavad Gita is categorical about it:

18.66

Abandon all duties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction(karma). Do not fear.

 

[MahaSudarshanChakra]

What is this sin you keep speaking about you choose not to save yourself from?

Karma.

 

[rahul_sharma]

How come Karma and Grace co-exists , Will it not cancel each other ?, If i have to earn my salvation through good works then it is my right NOT grace

Learn about Bhakti Karma.

Faith in God, Love for God, Do everything for God, Prayers ...these actions come under Bhakti Karma.

 

[Saraswati-Devi]

Where did you get this info from - nobody can get salvation thru good works. Good works lead only to temporary heaven. Salvation is possible only by total surrender to Lord Krishna. The Bhagavad Gita is categorical about it:

18.66

Abandon all duties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I shall deliver you from all sinful reaction(karma). Do not fear.

 

[vajradhara]

Then by that logic, we can create heaven too. No intercessor is necessary.

Metta,
ZW

as they say in chess.. "check".

 

[TrueQ]

Well, let's see, we created Hell by eating an apple which, historians tell us, could have also been a pomegranate. So we'll have to do the opposite to create a new Heaven. Hmm, the opposite action to eating an apple is eating an orange, and I'm pretty sure that some human, somewhere has done that before. By this evidence, we can conclude that eating a pomegranate created Hell and the opposite action to eating pomegranate will create Heaven.

Alright, so what's the exact opposite of pomegranate? Someone has to find it and eat it.

 

[Karma2Grace]

then wouldn't it make sense for you to believe in Nostradamus too? A lot of people think his prophecies have come true.

Since you quoted Nostradamus , Tell me why you have rejected him while "lot of people" think his prophecies have come true?

Why do you want me to accept somebody that you have already rejected?

 

[Saraswati-Devi]

Karma.

 

[coolbodhi]

First of all , Man is not devine (contrary to Patheistic claims), Every one knows this as true in our own heart and bible affirms the truth





Man is not divine, but a sinner (Romans 3:23).

Man is deceitful and desperately sick (Jer. 17:9).

Man is full of evil (Mark 7:21-23).

Man loves darkness rather than light (John 3:19).

Man is unrighteous, does not understand, does not seek for God (Rom. 3:10-12).

Man is helpless and ungodly (Rom. 5:6).

Man is dead in his trespasses and sins (Eph. 2:1).

Man is by nature a child of wrath (Eph. 2:3).

Man cannot understand spiritual things (1 Cor. 2:14).



It is apparent that man cannot save himself, I can challenge all the believers of pantheism and polytheism to comment about their salvation, I think every one agree that they are not saved (and they are trying) it simply proved that the nature of man is not divine!



Man cannot earn his salvation and God cannot simply forgive, but forgiveness must include justice. Works (Good Karma) are from gratitude, not in order to earn salvation The grace of God is deepened by understanding these truths, and it is in this context that grace is taught in the New Testament. It is often contrasted to salvation by works. In Ephesians 2:8-9 it says, “For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith—and this is not from yourselves, it is the gift of God—not by works so that one can boast.” ‘Salvation by works’ systems believes that men can pay for their errors or sins by doing good. These belief systems hold that good and evil balance one another out, somewhat like a scale; if you’re good deeds outweigh your bad deeds, then you will be saved. Jesus teaches that the only standard acceptable to God is absolute perfection. Everyone who has sinned falls short of this perfection. No amount of good works can make amends. Therefore it is impossible for any man to save himself!

Okay.
Now what?

 

[coolbodhi]

Here is why i don't belive Vedas and Gita:

The problem with Vedas is that the actual physical manuscripts we have are very late compared to the time of composition; there is about a 3,000 year gap from 1500 B.C., the date of "writing" and 1500 A.D., the date of the earliest genuine manuscripts. (By contrast, the gap for the Old Testament is a lot smaller since the discovery of the Dead Sea scrolls, the NT has negligible time gap of 20 years!)


The concept behind Vedas is same as Cannanian/Babylonian Paganism; It was brought down into India by Persians as Vedas



The 'purnas' which contains the lifestyle of Hindu avatars reminding the illicit lifestyle of the Fallen Angels referred in bible



When Gita said "Man is divine" it is like a Joke to me, Because that is not a reality!

You don't have to believe in the vedas. No one cares.