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"Man cannot Save Himself" Bible Verses
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K2G:
again, What is this sin you keep speaking about you choose not to save yourself from?
again, What is this sin you keep speaking about you choose not to save yourself from?
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Karma2Grace said:
Would you please do me a favor and read what I actually write? I shall repeat myself.
TooCurious said:
I don't "want" you to accept Nostradamus. I simply asserted that if allegedly-substantiated prophecies convince you to believe something is true, then by that logic it follows that you might believe in Nostradamus.
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MahaSudarshanChakra said:Oh, it is the sin of a forefather.
It's like your great great great great grandfather killed a dog or a snake in someone's garden don't you think you are responsible for that? YOU ARE!
You mean that is too absurd to believe well...
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MahaSudarshanChakra said:Oh, it is the sin of a forefather.
But why K2G not answering?
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coolbodhi said:It's like your great great great great grandfather killed a dog or a snake in someone's garden don't you think you are responsible for that? YOU ARE!
Yes if someones great great great great grandfather had a illicit sex and got AIDS then don't you think he/she is responsible to take the medicine?
SIN is a spritual AIDS!
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Saraswati-Devi said:
What is the bad karma left in your last incarnation so that you have been reincarnated?
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Karma2Grace said:
I'd love to answer your question.. but first, please, with all kindness, please answer my question... I need to understand what all this fear your speading to everyone... So again, I will ask...
What is this sin you keep speaking about you choose not to save yourself from?
May be you didn't understand the question, so let's try this way
Can you provide a list of this/these "sin(s)" we're not able to "save" ourselves from?
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Karma2Grace said:
The problem with that idea is that morality, or lack thereof, isn't a virus. You can't catch it if someone sneezes (Note: you can't catch AIDS that way either, but I'm expanding on the virus metaphor). Morality and immorality is and must be a conscious choice. Sin (if you believe in it) is a conscious choice. If it isn't, then there's no logical way to hold someone morally culpable.
The doctrine of original sin never made sense to me, nor did the whole "sins of the fathers" policy. If *I* do something wrong, hold me responsible for it. If my father, or grandfather, or great-great-great-great grandfather does something wrong, hold *him* responsible for it. I had no part in it--especially if it happened before I was even born. I have no influence on or role in actions that were committed before I existed, and therefore I am not responsible for them and should not be held answerable for them. This just seems logical.
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TooCurious said:
What if you are hold responsible for the sins you have commited in your last (?) birth? Does it make sense?
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Karma2Grace said:
I'm not a Hindu myself, so I don't claim to believe in the concepts of reincarnation or Karma, but I will say that at least with Karma, they are sins that you (in some sense) actually committed yourself, as opposed to sins that you had absolutely nothing to do with, which strikes me as more logical than Original Sin. I'm not saying I believe in it, but it confuses me less.
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TooCurious said:
So do you think human kind is sinless, Can you point even a single person in this world who can claim that he is 100% pure?
Oh I don't know you believe that a Dog or Cat would sin! I am sorry!!
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Hi.
The kudos are nice, thanks. But I'm starting to feel bad about the bullying of K2G. We're all figuring out this thing called existence the best way we can ...
(Don't make me break out my crazy kumbayaa pix.)
Metta,
ZW
The kudos are nice, thanks. But I'm starting to feel bad about the bullying of K2G. We're all figuring out this thing called existence the best way we can ...
(Don't make me break out my crazy kumbayaa pix.)
Metta,
ZW
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Zen_Woof said:Hi.
The kudos are nice, thanks. But I'm starting to feel bad about the bullying of K2G. We're all figuring out this thing called existence the best way we can ...
(Don't make me break out my crazy kumbayaa pix.)
Metta,
ZW
well... i would tend to agree.
that being said, i wouldn't charaterize it as "bullying" per se, more like "good natured ribbing". of course, that is just a point of view
thus far, the poster has yet to demonstrate that they actually understand what the terms mean, which they are protesting. not that one has to know the terms, but it seems that this would be the *minimum* before a cogent argument could be presented.
as such, it seems more like simple trolling. so, perhaps we should DNFTT
metta,
~v
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Zen_Woof said:Hi.
The kudos are nice, thanks. But I'm starting to feel bad about the bullying of K2G. We're all figuring out this thing called existence the best way we can ...
(Don't make me break out my crazy kumbayaa pix.)
Metta,
ZW
Bullied? But that is due to her bad karma. Not due to her forefather's sin.
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