Majority of White Americans Say They Believe Whites Face Discrimination

[SummerMadness]

So if it is legal to discriminate against whites then it is actually not discrimination at all!

Or perhaps it is the tip of the iceberg of the worst sort of discrimination.

What was referenced was not discrimination, no one is barred or refused employment for the positions linked.

 

[SummerMadness]

Actually, it does. I was just talking yesterday with a man I work with that talked about being pulled over by the cops when he was a young man. He and a few of his white friends (he is also white) were lost and ended up in one of those predominantly black Chicago neighborhoods. They were pulled over by the cops and asked what they were doing there. After an explanation, the cops told them that it was not safe and they escorted them out of the neighborhood to safety.

It does not, but if people wish to adhere to racist ideas, it's no surprise that black people report higher rates of harassment.

 

[Almost there]

Sounds like the cops were familiar with the neighborhood as being one where white people are attacked for being white.

Something along those lines. Fredoneverything.net is a writer that used to do ridealongs during the graveyard shift with Chicago and Washington DC cops. He makes it very, VERY clear in his articles that there are some neighborhoods where white people enter at their own risk, and the risk is extremely real. In fact, I have a few of them at my fingertips. Just a sec...

Here they are...
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Blowup.shtml
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Stability.shtml
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Underclass.shtml
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Opportunity.shtml
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Assimilation.shtml

 

[Aldebaran]

It does not, but if people wish to adhere to racist ideas, it's no surprise that black people report higher rates of harassment.

Why is that? Is it because white people are presumed to be racist? That's not a good thing to presume.

 

[Barney]

It does not, but if people wish to adhere to racist ideas, it's no surprise that black people report higher rates of harassment.

Black youth reporting more police harassment is explained by the link between black youth and crime. You should be complaining about the crime rate in black communities, not police doing their jobs.

 

[Almost there]

Why is that? Is it because white people are presumed to be racist? That's not a good thing to presume.

I came to grips, several decades ago, with the fact that though I'm not racist, I am most definitely culturist.

 

[Aldebaran]

Something along those lines. Fredoneverything.net is a writer that used to do ridealongs during the graveyard shift with Chicago and Washington DC cops. He makes it very, VERY clear in his articles that there are some neighborhoods where white people enter at their own risk, and the risk is extremely real. In fact, I have a few of them at my fingertips. Just a sec...

Here they are...
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Blowup.shtml
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Stability.shtml
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Underclass.shtml
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Opportunity.shtml
http://www.fredoneverything.net/Assimilation.shtml

When I click those links, I only get an error message saying, "This site can't be reached".

 

[Almost there]

When I click those links, I only get an error message saying, "This site can't be reached".

They may have been moved. It's an old site. I'll look into it.

He changed his site. The articles are all there, but the site is now "fredoneverything.org" and the url for the articles is the actual title, not single words like "blowup". Those links will get you nowhere. The articles are mostly from around the turn of the century.

Here is one of them:
A Hive of Two-Legged Termites: The Erosion of Freedom in America | Fred On Everything

 

[Aldebaran]

I came to grips, several decades ago, with the fact that though I'm not racist, I am most definitely culturist.

Understood. I think we all have our preferences concerning culture. Otherwise we'd all be the same, dress the same, talk the same, etc.

 

[GUANO]

OP is a perfect example of Plato's allegory of the cave.

 

[Almost there]

Understood. I think we all have our preferences concerning culture. Otherwise we'd all be the same, dress the same, talk the same, etc.

When I say I'm a culturalist, what I mean is that I definitely see some cultures as superior to others. I hate american black culture and consider it dangerous to anyone steeped in it - and they are not all black.

I'm very anti multiculturalism. It will destroy the country as it is destroying Europe as I type this.

 

[SummerMadness]

Black youth reporting more police harassment is explained by the link between black youth and crime. You should be complaining about the crime rate in black communities, not police doing their jobs.

Crime does not account for the bias, it's been demonstrated time and time again: What the Data Really Says About Police and Racial Bias

When I say I'm a culturalist, what I mean is that I definitely see some cultures as superior to others. I hate american black culture and consider it dangerous to anyone steeped in it - and they are not all black.

I'm very anti multiculturalism. It will destroy the country as it is destroying Europe as I type this.

Changing the word from race to culture doesn't change the fact that it is still racism, especially the part about some cultures being superior to other cultures. Although this shift is understandable considering how racism has become stigmatized to the point that racial bias has now shifted to cultural bias, as if that's okay.

 

[Aldebaran]

Changing the word from race to culture doesn't change the fact that it is still racism, especially the part about some cultures being superior to other cultures. It's understandable that racism becoming stigmatized that some will now argue their racial bias is based on "culture."

And your changing of his word "culture" to the word "race" doesn't make it anything other than what he originally said.

This is usually what happens in these discussions. Somebody says something, and then you change their words to fit your narrative--a narrative that always labels who you're talking to as a racist. It doesn't help your position when you do that, nor does it further the discussion on the topic.

 

[Barney]

Crime does not account for the bias, it's been demonstrated time and time again: What the Data Really Says About Police and Racial Bias

Sorry, I don't find anything in your link credible. Blacks disproportionately commit violent crimes. Blacks account for the majority of murderers, but police shoot twice as many whites.

 

[SummerMadness]

Sorry, I don't find anything in your link credible. Blacks disproportionately commit violent crimes. Blacks account for the majority of murderers, but police shoot twice as many whites.

If you have an issue with the findings of the studies, you should be able to directly refute problems in their methodology. I know that won't be forthcoming because the speed of your reply suggests you didn't read any of the studies you don't find credible.

 

[Ringo84]

I'm sure in their permanently aggrieved minds, white Americans are (chokes back a sob) so persecuted! My heart simply bleeds for these poor, poor people.
Ringo

 

[Aldebaran]

I'm sure in their permanently aggrieved minds, white Americans are (chokes back a sob) so persecuted! My heart simply bleeds for these poor, poor people.
Ringo

And how do you feel about black Americans who make that claim? Your feelings don't change based on the color of the person's skin, right?

 

[MoonlessNight]

Changing the word from race to culture doesn't change the fact that it is still racism, especially the part about some cultures being superior to other cultures.

All that's required to understand that some cultures are worse than other cultures is not being an idiot.

It's pretty easy to look at their practices and determine that, for instance, the Aztec culture was a pretty horrible one. (Their neighbors certainly thought so).

Though if you really did want to say that all cultures are equally worthwhile, you'd have no right to criticize the racism that you personally see everywhere in today's world. It'd just be part of the dominant culture, after all.

 

[Ringo84]

And how do you feel about black Americans who make that claim? Your feelings don't change based on the color of the person's skin, right?

Black Americans have several centuries of discrimination to point to and say 'we've been through it'. White Americans don't.
Ringo

 

[MoonlessNight]

Black Americans have several centuries of discrimination to point to and say 'we've been through it'. White Americans don't.
Ringo

Wasn't aware that anyone in America was several centuries old.