Lust: Is it possible to control all your thoughts?

[ghendricks63]

ghendricks63,
I would say it does. Matthew 19 describes adultery ‘moichos’ as sexual activity with another person outside marriage, and fornication ‘pornos’ as breaking the marriage union. Thus when Jesus says even when one looks at another woman lustfully one has committed adultery in one’s heart, which therefore must mean lust in a sexual capacity. As sexual activity is uniquely for faithful man/woman union then all sexual thoughts for anyone other than ones husband wife look to be sinful.
I agree its not that clear cut, but certainly not contrary.

Paul? If you mean the epistles Paul wrote? That’s in the Bible too.

Yes I know what you would declare. Fortunately I know that you are in error. I have provided much evidence for you in the past from a ton of different scriptures and discussion points. You seem to be stuck in this rut of false interpretation of the same two or three scriptures. I won't go into it with you again. It is enough to simply remind you I have proven you wrong many times and won't waste my time doing so again.

I have no clue what point you were trying to make about Paul being in the bible. LOL

 

[Zebra1552]

Who said He doesnt call it sinful?

Define 'it'.

Even if one person thinks the scripture says something is sinful and another says it isnt, who would be right?

The one with hermeneutics on their side.

Who said?

Um. Paul. Like, numerous times.

Rom 14:13 Let us therefore no longer pass judgment on one another, but resolve instead never to put a stumbling block or hindrance in the way of another.
Rom 14:14 I know and am persuaded in the Lord Jesus that nothing is unclean in itself; but it is unclean for anyone who thinks it unclean.

1Co 10:29 I mean the other's conscience, not your own. For why should my liberty be subject to the judgment of someone else's conscience?
1Co 10:30 If I partake with thankfulness, why should I be denounced because of that for which I give thanks?
1Co 10:31 So, whether you eat or drink, or whatever you do, do everything for the glory of God.

The Bible says each will have to give acount for all they have said and done.

Um, yeah. Your point?

Who thinks there are grey areas regrding sin.

Paul. Again, numerous times.

 

[visionary]

There are sins which are abuse against God's temple, your body..

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

 

[brightmorningstar]

ghendricks63,
Well I am not interested in just your opinion about my opinion, though you seem to think it might interest me as you give it every time. Your reasoning is what I would be interested in. I still disagree with you according to the reasoning of the scripture I gave, the scripture also says there should not even be a hint of sexual immorality.

I have no clue what point you were trying to make about Paul being in the bible. LOL

You referred to what was in the Bible in one paragraph and then what Paul wrote in the next. Why would you want to try and distinguish what Paul wrote as opposed to any other Bible writer? Paul received what he preached from the risen Lord.

 

[ghendricks63]

ghendricks63,

You referred to what was in the Bible in one paragraph and then what Paul wrote in the next. Why would you want to try and distinguish what Paul wrote as opposed to any other Bible writer? Paul received what he preached from the risen Lord.

You are mistaken...I was making no such cotrast but was accepting both as scriptural.

 

[ghendricks63]

There are sins which are abuse against God's temple, your body..

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Yes there probably are...though you have provided nothing to support your claim that masturbation is one of them.

 

[ghendricks63]

ghendricks63,
Well I am not interested in just your opinion about my opinion, though you seem to think it might interest me as you give it every time. Your reasoning is what I would be interested in. I still disagree with you according to the reasoning of the scripture I gave, the scripture also says there should not even be a hint of sexual immorality.

No you have proven that you are not interested in my reasoning as I have given it to you many times and all I get back from you is repeated declarative statements that do not even discuss them. Not interested in going there with you any more.

 

[visionary]

Yes there probably are...though you have provided nothing to support your claim that masturbation is one of them.

How about God providing the proof.. and you get to name what evidence you would like God to provide.. Maybe a boil or two?? on the offending part??

 

[Zebra1552]

There are sins which are abuse against God's temple, your body..

1 Corinthians 6:19
What? know ye not that your body is the temple of the Holy Ghost which is in you, which ye have of God, and ye are not your own?

Masturbation != prostitution, which is what that talks about in context. You would also need to show that masturbation is actually condemned. You have yet to define what lust is.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Jaws13,

Define 'it'.

It is described in my previous post, address it!

The one with hermeneutics on their side.

Ah that would be me then in this case.
But Romans 14 and 1 Cor 10 as we can see is referring to diet, not sexual immorality.
Sorry are you implying its up to people to decide what they think is unclean and thus whether to abstain?

Um, yeah. Your point?

So it will be up to Jesus, not us, whether what we say and do is right, not you or I.

Paul. Again, numerous times.

Paul isnt Jesus though , Jesus will be the judge

 

[visionary]

You don't seem to understand.. when you get into the spiritual law details often God is the teacher................ How would you like Him to get involved in this discussion?

 

[Zebra1552]

Lust:


http://students.eng.fiu.edu/~denver/...sturbation.pdf

If anyone's actually brave enough to attempt to refute it, I'd be more than happy to engage you. This is the proper definition of lust, it has scholarly sources backing it that are true to the original language and context of the Matthew 5 verse.

 

[ghendricks63]

How about God providing the proof.. and you get to name what evidence you would like God to provide.. Maybe a boil or two?? on the offending part??

Sigh... I guess I am done with you.

If you would ever decide to actually discuss the issue I'm up for it. But all you seem to post is evasive responses. This one is just plain weird.

 

[visionary]

Actually it is not... God was educating another fellow on the issue.. and He had to get up close and personal before the fellow understood... that is why I suggested it...

 

[Zebra1552]

Jaws13,
It is described in my previous post, address it!

There are no descriptions or definitions in post 224, which is your previous post. There is nothing, to my knowledge, to address until you define what lust is.

Ah that would be me then in this case.

You haven't cited any commentaries, dictionaries, or lexicons, thereby disproving your claim here.

But Romans 14 and 1 Cor 10 as we can see is referring to diet, not sexual immorality.

That is the overarching context, and then Paul broadens his terms to include anything. Address the verses.

Sorry are you implying its up to people to decide what they think is unclean and thus whether to abstain?

Nope. Paul is.

So it will be up to Jesus, not us, whether what we say and do is right, not you or I.

Then quit bashing masturbation.

Paul isnt Jesus though , Jesus will be the judge

Quit making excuses and address the post.

 

[ghendricks63]

Actually it is not... God was educating another fellow on the issue.. and He had to get up close and personal before the fellow understood... that is why I suggested it...

Yeah I once got poison ivy on my hands and arms. Apparently God was offended that I was weeding my flower beds.

 

[visionary]

Awwww. but that is not wanting Him to answer.. cause you never got Him involved.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Jaws13,

Masturbation != prostitution, which is what that talks about in context. You would also need to show that masturbation is actually condemned. You have yet to define what lust is.

Ok so we have defined what we think lust is, though we recognise you disagree, and we have described why we think masturbation is wrong, of the flesh rather than the spirit. As I believe Jesus Christ will judge us all, I don’t see the need for anyone to have to show you… its up to you what you believe.

 

[ghendricks63]

Awwww. but that is not wanting Him to answer.. cause you never got Him involved.

What???

 

[brightmorningstar]

Jaws13,
the link in your post #232 is very good. it may be the case, however as explained I have doubts. Nonetheless, I see your point and what the link is saying