Lust: Is it possible to control all your thoughts?

[ghendricks63]

As a man thinks in his heart so shall he be. Solomon.

In the Gospel Jesus says, that if a man looks at a women lustfully, he has already committed adultery with her, in his heart.

Solomon also said: "Watch over your heart for here are the wellsprings of life."

To love God with all your heart, and to love your neigbhour you must be from the heart, clean and warm, eventually. Otherwise you can't enter into God's presence when you die. Only the Holy Spirit can do the saving work within.

Jesus and Solomons words are wise and I agree with both of them. Of course neither was referring to masturbation or normal sexual thought.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

The Bible also mentions hating even the clothing stained by sin. So it flicks such concepts off the mind. I interpret this to mean seed from the body, stains.

Thinking and wanting fornication secretly is as bad as doing it, in the context Jesus spoke it. But not as bad for being separate from the world to God. Sanctity.

 

[Zebra1552]

The Bible also mentions hating even the clothing stained by sin. So it flicks such concepts off the mind. I interpret this to mean seed from the body, stains.

Chapter and verse, please, first off, and secondly, where is your evidence that supports such an interpretation?

Thinking and wanting fornication secretly is as bad as doing it, in the context Jesus spoke it. But not as bad for being separate from the world to God. Sanctity.

What is lust? Define it. Oh, and Jesus wasn't talking about fornication, he was talking about adultery.

 

[ghendricks63]

The Bible also mentions hating even the clothing stained by sin. So it flicks such concepts off the mind. I interpret this to mean seed from the body, stains.

Thinking and wanting fornication secretly is as bad as doing it, in the context Jesus spoke it. But not as bad for being separate from the world to God. Sanctity.

You can interpret it as "seed from the body" if you like...but it will still be wrong.

 

[GoldenKingGaze]

Jude 1:23 about unclean clothing.

Fornication is adultery and sex sin outside marriage.

Lust I defined earlier, inordinate desire to have and enjoy. From the dictionary.

 

[Zebra1552]

Jude 1:23 about unclean clothing.

Jud 1:22 And have mercy on some who are wavering;
Jud 1:23 save others by snatching them out of the fire; and have mercy on still others with fear, hating even the tunic defiled by their bodies.

Jud 1:22 And haveG1653 mercyG1653 on someG3739 G3303a, who are doubtingG1252;
Jud 1:23 saveG4982 others, snatchingG726 them out of the fireG4442; and on someG3739 haveG1653 mercyG1653 with fearG5401, hatingG3404 evenG2532 the garmentG5509 pollutedG4695 by the fleshG4561.

NRSV/NAS with Strong's.

G4695
σπιλόω
spiloō
Thayer Definition:
1) to defile, spot

Not talking about stains or sex sin anywhere in that verse. Your interpretation reads too much information into that passage to be realistic.

Fornication is adultery and sex sin outside marriage.

Fornication, biblically, are forbidden sex acts. Adultery is sex between a married person and someone who is not their spouse whether that person be married or unmarried. The two are not the same.

G4202
πορνεία
porneia
Thayer Definition:
1) illicit sexual intercourse
1a) adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
1b) sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
1c) sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mar_10:11,Mar_10:12
2) metaphorically the worship of idols
2a) of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols
Part of Speech: noun feminine

G3431
μοιχεύω
moicheuō
Thayer Definition:
1) to commit adultery
1a) to be an adulterer
1b) to commit adultery with, have unlawful intercourse with another’s wife
1c) of the wife: to suffer adultery, be debauched
1d) A Hebrew idiom, the word is used of those who at a woman’s solicitation are drawn away to idolatry, i.e. to the eating of things sacrificed to idols
Part of Speech: verb

Lust I defined earlier, inordinate desire to have and enjoy. From the dictionary.

Which dictionary? English, Greek, or Hebrew?
Your definition, if applied to Matthew 5, means one of two things:

Married people lust and in so doing sin.
Lust can be sinful or not sinful.

Either way, you do not have a case for masturbation being condemned. The first is nonsensical, and the second is so vague that the definition is essentially useless.

Your definition also raises other issues. Why is it a sin to enjoy something a lot? What about masturbation involves an inordinate desire?

adj.

• Exceeding reasonable limits; immoderate. See synonyms at excessive.
• Not regulated; disorderly.

Read more: inordinate: Definition, Synonyms from Answers.com

In order for you to say it's inordinate, you would need to prove that the desires accompanying masturbation are unusually strong or unregulated. Given that most guys touch, you'll have a hard time making that case.

Your definition, then, applied to the issue of masturbation, is actually unrelated to most masturbation.

I doubt the definition you've provided is fully accurate to the Greek, but it captures the gist of it.
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http://students.eng.fiu.edu/~denver/pdfs/Masturbation.pdf

The preceding article explains what lust is and why masturbation is unrelated to it.

 

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