Lucifer in Isaiah 14 can't be anyone

[OldWiseGuy]

Fiend (n.) Old English feond "enemy, foe, adversary," originally present participle of feogan "to hate," from Proto-Germanic *fijand- "hating, hostile" (source also of Old Frisian fiand "enemy," Old Saxon fiond, Middle Dutch viant, Dutch vijand "enemy," Old Norse fjandi, Old High German fiant, Gothic fijands), from suffixed form of PIE root *pe(i)- "to hurt" (source also of Sanskrit pijati "reviles, scorns," Greek pema "suffering, misery, woe," Gothic faian "to blame," and possibly Latin pati "to suffer, endure"). According to Watkins, not allied to foe and feud (n.).
The Woman and the Dragon
Rev. 12:7-10 is next put forward as furnishing a scriptural sanction to the Miltonic idea of the nature and origin of the Devil. Instead of furnishing a sanction, however, it withdraws the whole subject from the possibility of such a sanction by affording conclusive evidence of the unscripturality of the clerical theory of the devil. It does this by identifying the scriptural devil in an explicit and recognizable direction very different from that of the popular belief; it does this in a way that leaves no room for doubt. Still, on the face of it, nothing could look more like the Miltonic tradition, as the reader will perceive in the perusal of the following quotation: In the first place, the symbolic character of the whole book is plainly announced.
"He sent and signified it by his angel to his servant John" (chap. 1:1): Looking in this direction we have to ask a question which takes us right into the heart and essence of the devil question from a Bible point of view: why is the Roman system of government as historically developed and diversified in the centuries, styled "the Great Dragon, Devil and Satan"? and why "Devil and Satan"? and why "that old serpent which deceiveth the whole world"? [ROBERTS]
The Woman and the Dragon: the heathen party, foiled in their subtle attempt to destroy Christianity, were greatly enraged, and endeavored to excite the hatred of the multitude against the religion of Jesus. “They alleged that before the coming of Christ the world was blessed with peace and prosperity; but that since the progress of their religion everywhere, the gods, filled with indignation to see their worship neglected and their altars abandoned, had visited the earth with those plagues and desolations which increased every day.” See Mosheim’s Ecclesiastical History, cent. V., part 1, and other works on this subject. [CLARKE]
The reference here is to persecutions against individuals, rather than a general persecution against the church itself, and all that is here said would find an ample fulfillment in the vexations and troubles of individuals in the Roman communion in the dark ages, when they evinced the spirit of pure evangelical piety; in the cruelties practiced in the Inquisition on individual Christians under the plea that they were heretics; and in the persecutions of such men as Wycliffe, John Huss, and Jerome of Prague. This warfare against individual Christians was continued long in the papal church, and tens of thousands of true friends of the Saviour suffered every form of cruelty and wrong as the result.. [BROWN]
Rev 16:14 It is used here, as it is in Rev 9:20, in a bad sense, as denoting evil spirits. Which go forth unto the kings of the earth - Translate, “kings of the whole habitable world,” who are “of this world,” Which particularly affect and influence kings and rulers. No class of people have been more under the influence of pagan superstition, Mohammedan delusion, or the papacy, than kings and princes. We are taught by this passage that this will continue to be so in the circumstances referred to. [BARNES]
The statement before us is that the annihilation of the devil was achieved by the death of Christ. This was what he died for: "that through death he might bring to nothing him that had the power of death, that is, the devil". If the devil of this statement is the popular devil, how are we to understand it ? Did the death of Christ accomplish the annihilation of the devil? And how if he killed the devil, can the devil in that case be still alive; and how are we to understand the devil having the power of death in view of the fact that the power of death rests with God, and with God only, who inflicts it at His pleasure? Deu 32:39 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand. [ROBERTS]

It's been........interesting.

 

[sparow]

It's been........interesting.

I have read only the first and the last post and I don't understand the question but I'll comment. Lucifer appears only in the king Kames versions and as a transliteration for morning star, or day star. In the referenced scripture Isaiah 14, morning star refers to the king of Babylon.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I have read only the first and the last post and I don't understand the question but I'll comment. Lucifer appears only in the king Kames versions and as a transliteration for morning star, or day star. In the referenced scripture Isaiah 14, morning star refers to the king of Babylon.

Gentile kings are often used as metaphoric references to Lucifer/Satan. Ezekiel 28 is especially compelling as the reference to the king of Tyrus certainly doesn't apply to any human.

That angelic being has become known as (aka) Lucifer. What it's real name is isn't known.

 

[he-man]

It's been........interesting.

Don't forget your darts when you leave!
Ephesians 6:16 (16) above all, taking the shield of faith with which you will be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Revelation Chapter 12 The Woman and the Dragon
We are now introduced to a new prophecy dealing with God's assembly in conflict with the powers of evil. This battle is seen throughout chapter 12 through 15, with chapter 16 through 19 dealing with the judgments of God upon those working against His assembly. By the language that is employed it is easily seen that a number of symbols are being used to describe what is taking place. In Revelation 12:1 semeion means a sign portending forthcoming events. Crown of twelve stars: The New Testament was led by the 12 Apostles and the final remnant, that will be translated symbolized by the number 144,000 which is a multiple of 12. Great red dragon: It was the accuser working through Pagan Rome to destroy Christ. It seems reasonable to conclude that the seven heads of the dragon represents political powers that have championed the cause of the dragon, and through which the accuser has exercised his persecuting power. see Isaiah 27:1
Crowns: Greek diademata, singular diadema, literally, “something bound around,” from diadeo, “to bind around.” The word was used to describe the badge of kingship worn by Persian kings.
Upon his heads - The fact that the heads are wearing badges of royalty may be taken as further evidence that they represent political kingdoms.
Third part of the stars: Rome removed the kingly power or authority from Israel in 37 B.C. To devour - This represents the efforts of Herod to destroy the infant Jesus. One needs only to recall the attitude of Herod as he listened to the message from the wise men. Wilderness - Greek eremos, “a forsaken, desert, empty place,” “an uninhabited place.” Here eremos doubtless represents a place of seclusion or obscurity, [DARK AGES] an area or condition in which the gospel would be in a place of obscurity, away from the public gaze. Michael - Also known as Michael the Archangel, simply meaning the chief of the angels. It is clear, as we harmonize scripture, that this is a reference to Christ. In 1 Thessalonians 4:16 the voice of the archangel is associated with the resurrection, but we find in (John 5:28-29) that it is the voice of Christ that brings about the resurrection. Jesus is also the express image of the Father's person, (Hebrews 1:3) thus showing that Christ, who a likeness God, is the chief of the heavenly host. In that the plan of “salvation” was made sure, “strength” was provided for resisting the wiles of the accuser, Christ's “kingdom” was made sure, and His “power,” literally, “authority,” to be man's Saviour, high priest and king was confirmed.
Revelation 12:10 for this fourfold achievement is specifically said to be that “the accuser of our brethren is cast down.” This clearly links these accomplishments with the casting down of verse 9. Obviously, the fall here referred to came after a period during which there had been an accusing “the brethren,” and it would therefore appear that this cannot be the original casting out of Satan prior to the creation of our earth. RevelationBibleProphecy.org
Psa 47:2 For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth.the LORD He is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else.
Deu 32:39　 See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.　
Isa 54:16 Behold, I have created the smith that bloweth the coals in the fire, and that bringeth forth an instrument for his work; and I have created the destroyer to destroy. [KJV]
Satan (n.) In biblical sources the Hebrew term the satan describes an adversarial role. It is not the name of a particular character. Although Hebrew storytellers as early as the sixth century B.C.E. occasionally introduced a supernatural character whom they called the satan, what they meant was any one of the angels sent by God for the specific purpose of blocking or obstructing human activity. [Elaine Pagels, "The Origin of Satan," 1995]

 

[he-man]

Gentile kings are often used as metaphoric references to Lucifer/Satan. Ezekiel 28 is especially compelling as the reference to the king of Tyrus certainly doesn't apply to any human.

The King of Tyre it is part of an address to the Prince of Tyre, who is explicitly described as "a man, and not God" (see verse 2).
Ezek. 28:13-17, yields similar results. Quoted in isolation from the context it seems to countenance the Miltonic view: "Thou hast been in Eden, the garden of God: every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, the topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold.... Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth, and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God: thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.... Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness." All that is necessary to be said of this, in confutation of the claim to put it forward as an account of the angelic origin and fall of the popular devil, is that it is part of an address to the Prince of Tyre, who is explicitly described as "a man, and not God" (see verse 2). Its applicability in this way is evident from the particulars of political and commercial greatness contained in the chapter. The precise meaning of the language of the verses set forth above, we need not here consider, in view of its incontestably pointing in a human and not in a diabolical direction.

That angelic being has become known as (aka) Lucifer. What it's real name is isn't known.

Reading Isa 14:4, "That you shall take up this proverb against the **king of Babylon,** and say, How has the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!", it becomes clear that this is the king of Babylon and his nation that is being spoken of here.
While this mythological information is available to scholars today via translated Babylonian cuneiform text taken from clay tablets, it was not as readily available at the time of the Latin translation of the Bible.
Thus, early Christian tradition interpreted the passage as a reference to the moment Satan was thrown from Heaven. Lucifer became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition.

 

[he-man]

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Gentile kings are often used as metaphoric references to Lucifer/Satan. Ezekiel 28 is especially compelling as the reference to the king of Tyrus certainly doesn't apply to any human. ↑ it is part of an address to the Prince of Tyre, who is explicitly described as "a man, and not God" (see verse 2)
That angelic being has become known as (aka) Lucifer. What it's real name is isn't known.Click to expand...
Reading Isa 14:4, "That you shall take up this proverb against the **king of Babylon,** and say, How has the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!", it becomes clear that this is the king of Babylon and his nation that is being spoken of here.
While this mythological information is available to scholars today via translated Babylonian cuneiform text taken from clay tablets, it was not as readily available at the time of the Latin translation of the Bible.
Thus, early Christian tradition interpreted the passage as a reference to the moment Satan was thrown from Heaven. Lucifer became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition.

 

[he-man]

I have read only the first and the last post and I don't understand the question but I'll comment. Lucifer appears only in the king Kames versions and as a transliteration for morning star, or day star. In the referenced scripture Isaiah 14, morning star refers to the king of Babylon.

The King of Tyre
Ezek. 28:13-17, yields similar results. Quoted in isolation from the context it seems to countenance the Miltonic view: "Thou hast been in Eden, the garden of God: every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, the topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold.... Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth, and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God: thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.... Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness." All that is necessary to be said of this, in confutation of the claim to put it forward as an account of the angelic origin and fall of the popular devil, is that it is part of an address to the Prince of Tyre, who is explicitly described as "a man, and not God" (see verse 2). Its applicability in this way is evident from the particulars of political and commercial greatness contained in the chapter. The precise meaning of the language of the verses set forth above, we need not here consider, in view of its incontestably pointing in a human and not in a diabolical direction. Reading Isa 14:4, "That you shall take up this proverb against the **king of Babylon,** and say, How has the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!", it becomes clear that this is the king of Babylon and his nation that is being spoken of here.
While this mythological information is available to scholars today via translated Babylonian cuneiform text taken from clay tablets, it was not as readily available at the time of the Latin translation of the Bible.
Thus, early Christian tradition interpreted the passage as a reference to the moment Satan was thrown from Heaven. Lucifer became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition.
Ps 47:7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.
8 God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness.
Satan (n.) In biblical sources the Hebrew term the satan describes an adversarial role. It is not the name of a particular character. Although Hebrew storytellers as early as the sixth century B.C.E. occasionally introduced a supernatural character whom they called the satan, what they meant was any one of the angels sent by God for the specific purpose of blocking or obstructing human activity. [Elaine Pagels, "The Origin of Satan," 1995]
Satan originally appears in the Jewish Scriptures as one of the bene elohim or sons of God, she maintains, not at first an adversary but one of God’s agents.
She explains the whole tradition of Satan, his wiles, works, and coworkers as the product of the religious imagination, pressed into service for polemical ends.
Marcus was a “conservative,” whereas Christians “did teach converts not only that the bonds of family, society, and nation are not sacred, but that they are diabolic encumbrances designed to enslave people to ‘Roman customs,’ that is, to demons”
The Evangelists had to blame the death of Jesus — a conflict with Satan — on the Jews rather than on the Romans, and to identify them with Satan.
Most significant is her tacit denial that a supernatural power of evil exists; it is only a sociological construction.

 

[sparow]

The King of Tyre
Ezek. 28:13-17, yields similar results. Quoted in isolation from the context it seems to countenance the Miltonic view: "Thou hast been in Eden, the garden of God: every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, the topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold.... Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth, and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God: thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.... Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness." All that is necessary to be said of this, in confutation of the claim to put it forward as an account of the angelic origin and fall of the popular devil, is that it is part of an address to the Prince of Tyre, who is explicitly described as "a man, and not God" (see verse 2). Its applicability in this way is evident from the particulars of political and commercial greatness contained in the chapter. The precise meaning of the language of the verses set forth above, we need not here consider, in view of its incontestably pointing in a human and not in a diabolical direction. Reading Isa 14:4, "That you shall take up this proverb against the **king of Babylon,** and say, How has the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!", it becomes clear that this is the king of Babylon and his nation that is being spoken of here.
While this mythological information is available to scholars today via translated Babylonian cuneiform text taken from clay tablets, it was not as readily available at the time of the Latin translation of the Bible.


Thus, early Christian tradition interpreted the passage as a reference to the moment Satan was thrown from Heaven. Lucifer became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition.
Ps 47:7 For God is the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with understanding.
8 God reigneth over the heathen: God sitteth upon the throne of his holiness.
Satan (n.) In biblical sources the Hebrew term the satan describes an adversarial role. It is not the name of a particular character. Although Hebrew storytellers as early as the sixth century B.C.E. occasionally introduced a supernatural character whom they called the satan, what they meant was any one of the angels sent by God for the specific purpose of blocking or obstructing human activity. [Elaine Pagels, "The Origin of Satan," 1995]
Satan originally appears in the Jewish Scriptures as one of the bene elohim or sons of God, she maintains, not at first an adversary but one of God’s agents.
She explains the whole tradition of Satan, his wiles, works, and coworkers as the product of the religious imagination, pressed into service for polemical ends.
Marcus was a “conservative,” whereas Christians “did teach converts not only that the bonds of family, society, and nation are not sacred, but that they are diabolic encumbrances designed to enslave people to ‘Roman customs,’ that is, to demons”
The Evangelists had to blame the death of Jesus — a conflict with Satan — on the Jews rather than on the Romans, and to identify them with Satan.
Most significant is her tacit denial that a supernatural power of evil exists; it is only a sociological construction.

I don't think the human mind can handle the truth, or the truth takes a different form to what humans are equipped to handle. The truth is like mathematics, that is does not have a physical existence, but is intrinsic to cognition, but can be applied to physical existences, the net being temporal and subject contextual definition; never universal. "her tacit denial that a supernatural power of evil exists"; Christians assume a super natural power exists but evil need not be a power, it could be an absence of the power of God, in the same way that cold is the absence of heat or energy or a vacuum is the absence of gaseous pressure. I am inclined to view creation as an algorithm and humanity is a network of computers and the whole thing is a trap to ensnare an enemy of God; we double as bait in the trap

 

[Sammy-San]

Matthew 12:26
And if Satan cast out Satan, he is divided against himself; how shall then his kingdom stand?

Luke 11:18
If Satan also be divided against himself, how shall his kingdom stand? because ye say that I cast out devils through Beelzebub.

Luke 22:31
And the Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat:

Satanas
sat-an-as'
Of Chaldee origin corresponding to G4566 (with the definite article affixed); the accuser, that is, the devil: - Satan.

Satan/the devil does indeed exist and is clear through Scripture, both OT and NT, that "he" is a very real being.

Why do Jewish people not believe in him in the sense that Christians do?

 

[he-man]

Christians assume a super natural power exists but evil need not be a power, it could be an absence of the power of God, in the same way that cold is the absence of heat or energy or a vacuum is the absence of gaseous pressure. I am inclined to view creation as an algorithm and humanity is a network of computers and the whole thing is a trap to ensnare an enemy of God; we double as bait in the trap

Thanks for the input text, however, Automated reasoning? Not quite for we all have free will to choose or not to choose. There is no absence of the power of God.
The problem is that people do not wish to prioritize the examination of the words God conveyed via the Bible. 2Ch 20:6 And said, O LORD God of our fathers, art not thou God in heaven? and rulest not thou over all the kingdoms of the heathen? and in thine hand is there not power and might, so that none is able to withstand thee?
Ezr 8:22...The hand of our God is upon all them for good that seek him; but his power and his wrath is against all them that forsake him.
Psalm 12:6 And the words of the Lord are flawless, like silver purified in a crucible, like gold refined seven times.
Mar 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
Elaine Pagels explains it vividly" It is not the name of a particular character. Although Hebrew storytellers as early as the sixth century B.C.E. occasionally introduced a supernatural character whom they called the satan, what they meant was any one of the angels sent by God for the specific purpose of blocking or obstructing human activity.
Satan originally appears in the Jewish Scriptures as one of the bene elohim or sons of God, she maintains, not at first an adversary but one of God’s agents.

 

[PropheticTimes]

Why do Jewish people not believe in him in the sense that Christians do?

From what I found in a quick search, these are the reasons:

• Both good and evil are creations of G-D, but only good is permanent.
• Angels in Jewish theology do not have freewill. They are their mission and therefore cannot rebel.
• Satan according to Judaism is an angel with three main missions. He tempts, he acts as prosecutor, he is the angel of death. That is his G-D given task.
• A fallen angel cannot exist within Judaism.

 

[Sammy-San]

From what I found in a quick search, these are the reasons:

• Both good and evil are creations of G-D, but only good is permanent.
• Angels in Jewish theology do not have freewill. They are their mission and therefore cannot rebel.
• Satan according to Judaism is an angel with three main missions. He tempts, he acts as prosecutor, he is the angel of death. That is his G-D given task.
• A fallen angel cannot exist within Judaism.

I think individual Jewish people do agree with Christians about evil.

 

[PropheticTimes]

I think individual Jewish people do agree with Christians about evil.

I'm sure there are those who do.

 

[Sammy-San]

I'm sure there are those who do.

But Judaism as a religion doesn't believe in evil (except for messianics)?

 

[PropheticTimes]

Well, from my #71 post it seems that they do believe in evil, however they see it as commissioned by God.

 

[he-man]

From what I found in a quick search, these are the reasons:Both good and evil are creations of G-D, but only good is permanent. Angels in Jewish theology do not have freewill. They are their mission and therefore cannot rebel. Satan according to Judaism is an angel with three main missions. He tempts, he acts as prosecutor, he is the angel of death. That is his G-D given task. A fallen angel cannot exist within Judaism.

Exactly!
SATAN – ...likewise used to denote an antagonist who puts obstacles in the way, as in Num. xxii. 32, where the angel of God is described as opposing Balaam in the guise of a satan or adversary; so that the concept of Satan as a ...distinct being was not then known.
LUCIFER – ...Raymund Martin, "Pugio Fidei," p. 564). The Lucifer myth was transferred to Satan in the pre-Christian century, as may be learned from Vita Adæ et Evæ (12) and Slavonic Enoch (xxix. 4, xxxi. ) jewishencyclopedia.com
G1140 δαίμονα δαίμονας satan, fiend, troublemaker, demon, mischievous person, cruel, wicked, and inhuman person compare [ G4567 σατανα σατανάς accuser, cruel wicked and inhuman person, adversary, opponent & G1228 διάβολος διαβολης διαβαλλων διαβολέας 'slanderer' 'accuser', diabolical (adj.) Slanderous, hurtful, or corrupting. One who slanders, hurts, and corrupts (casting or sowing throughout) compare] God is in control NOT some mythological supernatural being!
Deu 4:39 Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD He is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else. 10:14 Behold, the heaven and the heaven of heavens is the LORD'S thy God, the earth also, with all that therein is. that the Lord He is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath;

 

[sparow]

Thanks for the input text, however, Automated reasoning? Not quite for we all have free will to choose or not to choose. There is no absence of the power of God.
The problem is that people do not wish to prioritize the examination of the words God conveyed via the Bible. 2Ch 20:6 And said, O LORD God of our fathers, art not thou God in heaven? and rulest not thou over all the kingdoms of the heathen? and in thine hand is there not power and might, so that none is able to withstand thee?
Ezr 8:22...The hand of our God is upon all them for good that seek him; but his power and his wrath is against all them that forsake him.
Psalm 12:6 And the words of the Lord are flawless, like silver purified in a crucible, like gold refined seven times.
Mar 12:24 And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God?
Elaine Pagels explains it vividly" It is not the name of a particular character. Although Hebrew storytellers as early as the sixth century B.C.E. occasionally introduced a supernatural character whom they called the satan, what they meant was any one of the angels sent by God for the specific purpose of blocking or obstructing human activity.
Satan originally appears in the Jewish Scriptures as one of the bene elohim or sons of God, she maintains, not at first an adversary but one of God’s agents.

"Automated reasoning" sounds like a mental disorder. I believe you misuse the scriptures; there is a writing that says Satan is the God of this world. The abomination of desolation is where God packs His bags and leaves; such was when Jesus was crucified.

David in Psalm 12:6 was not talking about what we call the Bible; the only written prophet at that time that I am aware of was Moses; Mark and the other apostles also refer to the same scriptures as David did.

I do not believe what you are saying Elaine Pagels said the Hebrews did is true; one of you is mistaken. The word and title "Elohim" was more common and widely used than most would expect; in the Talmud Moses is referred to as Elohim Moses. The Israelites considered themselves "sons of God".

 

[he-man]

"Automated reasoning" sounds like a mental disorder. I believe you misuse the scriptures; there is a writing that says Satan is the God of this world. The abomination of desolation is where God packs His bags and leaves; such was when Jesus was crucified.

Isa 54:5 For thy Maker (aw-saw') is thine husband; the Jehovah of hosts is His name; and thy Revenger the Holy One of Israel; The God (elohim) of the whole earth shall He be called. Certainly 2Co:4:4 The apostle means the true God by the words the god of this world and that by the God of this world the supreme Being is meant, who in his judgment gave over the minds of the unbelieving Jews to spiritual darkness, so that destruction came upon them to the uttermost of THIS WORLD, mean simply mankind at large in their state of probation in this lower world, in opposition to their state in the world to come. The same meaning the word has in several other places, to which l need not refer; it simply implying the present state of things, governed by the Divine providence, in contradistinction from the eternal state: and it is very remarkable that, in 1 Timothy 1:17, God himself is calledτω δε βασιλει των αιωνων, the King of the WORLD; what we call King eternal; but here it evidently means him who governs both worlds, and rules in time and eternity.
Some, and particularly the ancient fathers, have connected and have read the verse: But God hath blinded the minds of the unbelievers of this world, Theophylact, and Augustine, all plead for the above meaning; and St. Augustine says that it was the opinion of almost all the ancients. Romans 11:8-10: God HATH GIVEN THEM THE SPIRIT of SLUMBER, EYES that they SHOULD not SEE, and EARS that they SHOULD not HEAR; let their EYES be DARKENED, in the same circumstances of willful rebellion and obstinate unbelief; and the great God of heaven and earth is he who judicially blinds their eyes; makes their hearts fat, i.e. stupid; gives them the spirit of slumber: and bows down their back. studylight.org/
Reading Isa 14:4, "That you shall take up this proverb against the **king of Babylon,** and say, How has the oppressor ceased! the golden city ceased!", it becomes clear that this is the king of Babylon and his nation that is being spoken of here.
While this mythological information is available to scholars today via translated Babylonian cuneiform text taken from clay tablets, it was not as readily available at the time of the Latin translation of the Bible.
Thus, early Christian tradition interpreted the passage as a reference to the moment Satan was thrown from Heaven. Lucifer became another name for Satan and has remained so due to Christian dogma and popular tradition.
The idea that there is a God in heaven above who fights against a god of the underworld, or hell, is not monotheism, however, it is the same duality found in other pagan faiths. Through His prophet Isaiah, God profoundly states, "I form light and create darkness, I make peace and CREATE evil; I am God, I do all these things" (Isaiah 45:7).Consider this: If there were such an opponent and foe of God like a Satan, as Christianity claims, don't you think God is capable of eliminating His created angel with a mere breath - or thought (anthropomorphically speaking)? If God spoke him (Satan) into existence; God could simply quit speaking and Satan would simply cease to exist. (Abraham Joshua Heschel, The Prophets, Jewish Publication Society, 1962, Philip Birnbaum, Encyclopedia of Jewish Concepts, Hebrew Publishing Company, 1991, Aryeh Kaplan, Jewish Meditation, Schocken Books, 1985.).
Now consider what Job says in chapter 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.19:21 Have pity upon me, have pity upon me, O ye my friends; for the hand of God hath touched me.
Job says that all the evil which the LORD had brought upon him Job 42:11
The Satan doctrine is one of the most deceptive and corrupt doctrines to ever enter Christendom, and which has been embraced and promoted by false teachers for thousands of years in as much as from the hand of God, the Creator of the universe, no opposing being could originally exist but through their own fault they fell (John 8, 44; 2 Pet. 2, 4; Jude 6);when Christ shall appear to overthrow the kingdom of [death] (1 Cor. 15, 26; Heb. 2, 14; 1 John 2, 8). SEE Winer, 2, 385
In mainstream Judaism there is no concept of a devil like in mainstream Christianity or Islam. In Hebrew, the biblical word ha-satan means "the adversary" or the obstacle, or even "the prosecutor" (recognizing that God is viewed as the ultimate Judge)
There is no unambiguous reference to the Devil in the Torah, the Prophets, or the Writings. Carus P. History of the Devil and the Idea of Evil

David in Psalm 12:6 was not talking about what we call the Bible; the only written prophet at that time that I am aware of was Moses; Mark and the other apostles also refer to the same scriptures as David did.

Who wrote the Bible? Not Moses ...Boy have you been misinformed if you forgot The JEDP ,etc. 2Ch 20:6 And said, O LORD God of our fathers, art not thou God in heaven? and rulest not thou over all the kingdoms of the heathen? 7 Art not thou our God, who didst drive out the inhabitants of this land before thy people Israel, and gavest it to the seed of Abraham thy friend for ever?

I do not believe what you are saying Elaine Pagels said the Hebrews did is true; one of you is mistaken. The word and title "Elohim" was more common and widely used than most would expect; in the Talmud Moses is referred to as Elohim Moses. The Israelites considered themselves "sons of God".

“The name Elohim is unique to Hebraic thinking – it occurs only in Hebrew and in no other ancient Semitic language. The masculine plural ending does not mean “gods” when referring to the true God of Israel, since the name is mainly used with singular verb forms and with adjectives and pronouns in the singular (e.g. see Gen. 1:26).” The form of the word Elohim, with the ending -im, is plural and masculine, but the construction is usually singular, i.e. it governs a singular verb or adjective when referring to the Hebrew god, but reverts to its normal plural when used of heathen divinities (Psalms 96:5; 97:7). For of our Lord it is written, “All things were made by Him.” Whoever therefore believes that anything can be made, or that any creature can be changed to better or worse, or transformed into another species or likeness, except by God Himself who made everything and through whom all things were made, is beyond a doubt an infidel.’
Charles Lea, ‘A History of the Inquisition In Spain’, volume 4, book 8, chapter 9, page 209
2Th 1:6 Seeing it is a righteous thing with God to repay sorrow to them that trouble you;