Lies about the Sabbath.

[VictorC]

If a dog showed up there I suppose he was "KEEPING" the Sabbath too by this ludicrous show of logic.

This one is a keeper!

 

[Elder 111]

For those who seek the truth. Let us consider these facts.

• The Seventh day was Sanctified, blessed and made holy from creation. If God blessed and sanctified something, how shall we as His children regard it?
• If the Sabbath is not the same as the seventh day of creation, then what is God talking about in Ex. 20? 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
  11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
• If the Sabbath was hollowed from the beginning why should conclude that it is only for the Jews?
• Jesus said that it was created for man and that He is Lord of the Sabbath. Mark 2:27-28. If Jesus is our saviour, why would we neglect the day He created, is Lord over, and is for all men.
• If I as a Christian should not steal, lie etc. How can the commandments that state the very same things be abolished?
• If God's people are those that Keep His commandments How can they be abolished? Rev. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Note that the devil is against God's people because they keep His commandments. So don't be fooled to think that because a church, or a pastor/priest, friend or anyone says otherwise that they are correct. Mat 7:
  
  21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
  22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
  23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
  
  Ezekiel 22: 26 Her priests have violated my law, and have profaned mine holy things: they have put no difference between the holy and profane, neither have they shewed difference between the unclean and the clean, and have hid their eyes from my sabbaths, and I am profaned among them. The devil is behind the opposition to God's Holy Ten Commandments. God is allowing the Sabbath to be the test as to whether we will keep His Commandments or not as He did with the Jews. Ex 16:4 Then said the Lord unto Moses, Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law, or no. As you look at this Chapter you will find that they had to keep the Sabbath. You will also notice that that is the commandment that is most opposed?
• How can the law be until the earth pass and still pass away before the earth is gone. Is Jesus a liar or the persons that tell us so? Mat. 5:
  17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
  18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
  19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. The question really is. how important is your relationship with Christ and your salvation? Remember Christ said it will not be easy and they is the few that find that narrow path to the kingdom Mat. 7:14.

God bless you and keep you in all His ways.

 

[VictorC]

For those who seek the truth. Let us consider these facts.

More like the usual opinions you repeat, that contradict Scripture.

The Seventh day was Sanctified, blessed and made holy from creation. If God blessed and sanctified something, how shall we as His children regard it?

As a gift that remained a promise to be attained, that those who had the Sabbath didn't have. This is God's rest Adventism wages a continual war of ignorance regarding.

If the Sabbath is not the same as the seventh day of creation

Which numerous Scripture passages have already proven a fallacy, such as the periodic Sabbath being made for man, permanently differentiated apart from God's rest documented as a singular event.

then what is God talking about in Ex. 20? 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Context reveals this to be a weekly pattern, by the previous verse you elected to omit. This is lying by omission, and you keep proving you can't abide by the covenant from Mount Sinai you insist others should embrace.

If the Sabbath was hollowed from the beginning why should conclude that it is only for the Jews?

If the premise is in error, the conclusion is equally flawed - as has been pointed out many times to you.

Jesus said that it was created for man and that He is Lord of the Sabbath. Mark 2:27-28. If Jesus is our saviour, why would we neglect the day He created, is Lord over, and is for all men.

You're basing an argument on the premise that Jesus contradicted the Law specifying the Sabbath to be exclusive to the children of Israel, arguing that they aren't 'man', and you're still reliant on a faulty origin of the Sabbath.

If I as a Christian should not steal, lie etc. How can the commandments that state the very same things be abolished?

Because the covenant from Mount Sinai revealed sin inherent in the recipients, and condemned them (see Romans 3:19 and 11:32).

If God's people are those that Keep His commandments How can they be abolished? Rev. 17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Note that the devil is against God's people because they keep His commandments. So don't be fooled to think that because a church, or a pastor/priest, friend or anyone says otherwise that they are correct.

We aren't fooled. It is the Adventist who has replaced the commandments of God with the Mosaic covenant God delivered us from who is fooled into believing a lie and rejecting God's redemption.

God bless you and keep you in all His ways.

Adventism is best illustrated by Adventists, who base their arguments on violating the Law Ellen White claimed their mission to vindicate.
Scripture has another conclusion regarding their testimony: To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

For those seeking the truth, rely on the Bible for your answers. You won't find the truth from those who insist on contradicting Scripture after reducing It to sound bites divorced from context.

 

[from scratch]

This one is a keeper!

for sure!!!!

 

[from scratch]

More like the usual opinions you repeat, that contradict Scripture.

As a gift that remained a promise to be attained, that those who had the Sabbath didn't have. This is God's rest Adventism wages a continual war of ignorance regarding.

Which numerous Scripture passages have already proven a fallacy, such as the periodic Sabbath being made for man, permanently differentiated apart from God's rest documented as a singular event.

Context reveals this to be a weekly pattern, by the previous verse you elected to omit. This is lying by omission, and you keep proving you can't abide by the covenant from Mount Sinai you insist others should embrace.

If the premise is in error, the conclusion is equally flawed - as has been pointed out many times to you.

You're basing an argument on the premise that Jesus contradicted the Law specifying the Sabbath to be exclusive to the children of Israel, arguing that they aren't 'man', and you're still reliant on a faulty origin of the Sabbath.

Because the covenant from Mount Sinai revealed sin inherent in the recipients, and condemned them (see Romans 3:19 and 11:32).

We aren't fooled. It is the Adventist who has replaced the commandments of God with the Mosaic covenant God delivered us from who is fooled into believing a lie and rejecting God's redemption.

Adventism is best illustrated by Adventists, who base their arguments on violating the Law Ellen White claimed their mission to vindicate.
Scripture has another conclusion regarding their testimony: To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.

For those seeking the truth, rely on the Bible for your answers. You won't find the truth from those who insist on contradicting Scripture after reducing It to sound bites divorced from context.

Excellent response. I really couldn't do better. Basically only my words would be different because of my personality. I just thought why not see what someone else offered. And I like it.

 

[from scratch]

Say you guys have been having fun. Doing a great job, too.

 

[LarryP2]

Say you guys have been having fun. Doing a great job, too.

Well at least VictorC didn't write his response late at night, so I don't have to wait to see it early in the morning, like normal. That way I didn't crack up laughing and spew coffee all over the computer screen and keyboard, when I am only about 1/4 of the way awake.

 

[Elder 111]

Some serious questions to help you decide.

• Why did Jesus not speak about the sabbath being changed?
• Why did the disciples not speaking about changing the sabbath in Acts 15 when they were giving the Gentles the list of things not to do?
• Why would the sabbath be in eternity but not now?
• Why did VictorC leave out certain points made in my last presentation from his response?
• If Paul kept the law how could it be true that he said not to? Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
• How can God write the law on our hearts and still the law is abolished?
• How come God wrote the ten commandments twice with His own hand and did not let Moses at least write it the second time?
• Which way did Jesus say is the right way. the popular or the least accepted?
• If you believe John 1, then the Jesus you love created the sabbath, would that not be so?

 

[Sophrosyne]

Some serious questions to help you decide.

• Why did Jesus not speak about the sabbath being changed?
• Why did the disciples not speaking about changing the sabbath in Acts 15 when they were giving the Gentles the list of things not to do?
• Why would the sabbath be in eternity but not now?
• Why did VictorC leave out certain points made in my last presentation from his response?
• If Paul kept the law how could it be true that he said not to? Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
• How can God write the law on our hearts and still the law is abolished?
• How come God wrote the ten commandments twice with His own hand and did not let Moses at least write it the second time?
• Which way did Jesus say is the right way. the popular or the least accepted?
• If you believe John 1, then the Jesus you love created the sabbath, would that not be so?

Let me ask you a question.... where in the New Testament does anyone command anyone to keep the Sabbath? I see nothing of the sort. Until you deal with this insurmountable problem you basically have nothing to offer us here that is of any challenge.
The simple thing is.... no command given = no Sabbath to keep.

 

[Elder 111]

Let me ask you a question.... where in the New Testament does anyone command anyone to keep the Sabbath? I see nothing of the sort. Until you deal with this insurmountable problem you basically have nothing to offer us here that is of any challenge.
The simple thing is.... no command given = no Sabbath to keep.

Not so. We know that the Sabbath was the only holy and sanctified day in apostolic times. The only bible present was the OT and the only religious instruction would have been from there. What would have been needed is a commandment to keep Sunday and there is none.
Situation is that you are accepting Christ in the day of the Apostles who only knew and kept the Sabbath and there is no instruction to do otherwise.
Jesus said that the law would not be changed so that in itself means that the Sabbath would remain.
Interesting that the Sabbath was always around but Sunday never was except for the worship of Baal and the Sun.
We are at Mount Carmel again If God be God worship Him if Baal be God then keep Sunday.
Heb. 4:
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
What ceasing from work does the bible give that God has asked us to do as HE did except the seventh day Sabbath?
Chapter and verse please.
It can not be eternal rest for God always was and always will be, so to cease from that would mean not to exist. It can not be righteous rest for God never needed to gain righteousness, that is what He is.

 

[LarryP2]

What ceasing from work does the bible give that God has asked us to do as HE did except the seventh day Sabbath?
Chapter and verse please.
.

On many of the ex-Adventist websites, big discussions are ongoing about the damage caused by holding Seventh Day Adventism's many lies. Severe mental illness, agnosticism and atheism, and breakup of families are frequent outcomes. There is just no way of holding Adventism's toxic and dishonest beliefs without suffering the consequences. To hold them means that you simply cannot live in reality.

And the only way that you can insist on the continuing viability of the Sabbath is through deliberate and systematic Resurrection Denial. If you think that the Apostles more or less went along with their lives as usual after the Resurrection, then the Sabbath remains viable. Ellen White went to strenuous lengths to formulate a severely non-God ("Arian") Jesus and a "resurrection" that was completely carried out by Angels. Jesus's really bummer day on the Cross was a debacle that really didn't accomplish much, and the Resurrection was a nice hat trick, but nothing of any particular significance. What little was accomplished on the Cross was at best a partial atonement, that continues to be advanced through the ongoing Investigative Judgment. We take that limited atonement and with perfect Sabbath Keeping, open the possibility of Salvation if our "number" is called on a day that we have managed to be perfect in. This is all spelled out in "The Great Controversy," a 90 percent plagiarized anti-Catholic hate fest. The whole point of life is to vindicate the Old Testament law, since that is the manifestation of God's character, and which the Roman Catholic Church has almost managed to destroy.

Or, you can believe that the Resurrection was and is the Singularity of the human race and history. That is what Christianity has consistently taught from the very beginning. To ignore the overwhelming impact of this colossal world-shattering event requires severe and ongoing willpower to fend off persistent reality. To insist on the Sabbath is very much like trying to insist on the complete shutdown of the Transportation Safety Administration in the aftermath of 9-11. Since 1888, when Dudley Canright published "Seventh Day Adventism Renounced," there is an extremely disturbing set of facts that Adventism has been confronted with, yet has NEVER acknowledged, let alone addressed, let alone debated, let alone disputed, let alone refuted those facts. In more than 100 years of publishing a massive volume of books, and many scholarly books and articles on the origins of the Sabbath, the Church has simply NEVER grappled with the following statement in Canright's searing denouncement of Seventh Day Adventism. This is Eastern Orthodoxy's official position on the obvious impact of the Resurrection:

"Our Church, which includes all the very first Churches founded by the apostles, such as Jerusalem, Antioch, Ephesus, Corinth, Alexandria, and even Rome, for the first three hundred years, has kept the 'first day of the
week' as a day of rest and in holy remembrance of the Resurrection of our Blessed Lord from the dead. From the dawn of Christianity she bears witness that it has been the Sacred Day on which the faithful assembled for the partaking of the Lord's Supper, for the saying of public prayer, and the hearing of sermons.
"Our Holy Traditions, the Sub-Apostolic, Anti-Nicene and Sub-Nicene Fathers, as well as all of our historians, also bear testimony to this fact. Under the head of the Fourth Commandment in our Catechism, which is accepted by the whole Holy Orthodox Catholic Apostolic Church, this instruction is given. And both the Roman Church and all other Churches which regard the authority of antiquity, calling themselves Protestant, agree on this very fact, viz., that the Lord's Day (the first day of the week) has been observed from the morning of the Resurrection till this moment.

http://www.truthorfables.com/LYING FOR GOD.pdf

That the last sentence in that statement has never been addressed by the Seventh Day Adventist Church is extremely disturbing and revealing. It provides some indication that the Church, which has been undeniably confronted with it, officially knows that it CANNOT be refuted. Hence, "The Great Controversy's" utterly laughable Papal Conspiracy Theory fairy tale.

The "The Great Controversy," through many different editions and printings, has simply NEVER addressed that statement, nor has the Seventh Day Adventist Church done so officially. "The Great Controversy" advances a completely-baseless Papal Conspiracy theory of "Sabbath to Sunday change", and never addressed the increasing tension and growing dispute between Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism that eventually led to complete schism in AD 1054. The war between the two divisions of early Christianity began well before Adventism's date of when the Pope unilaterally adopted Sunday worship, and laughably ignores the many disputes between the two divisions of Early Christianity. One thing is for sure: Had the Pope, or the Roman Empire, unilaterally adopted Sunday worship the Eastern Orthodox would have NEVER followed suit. They split with Rome 500 years before the Protestant Reformation.

Even Adventism's premier Sabbath Scholar Samuele Bacchiochi insists that universal Sunday worship was a done deal no later than 135 AD, 200 years before the office of the Pope as we know it now even existed. There is NO history that is contained in the Great Constroversy that is factual. This is the lengths this organization has gone in order to facilitate massive, structural Resurrection Denial.

If the Resurrection was NOT the singularity of human history, then Christianity is simply dead and worthless, and the Sabbath retains continuing viability. But if it WAS the Singularity, then immediate Sabbath abandonment happened just as Eastern Orthodoxy has insisted, without contradiction, for 2,000 years.

Adventism in fact teaches that the Resurrection was NOT the Singularity of History. There is ZERO possibility the New Testament would have been written, were the Resurrection NOT the Singularity. Why would anyone bother?

 

[VictorC]

Some serious questions to help you decide.

• Why did Jesus not speak about the sabbath being changed?
• Why did the disciples not speaking about changing the sabbath in Acts 15 when they were giving the Gentles the list of things not to do?
• Why would the sabbath be in eternity but not now?
• Why did VictorC leave out certain points made in my last presentation from his response?
• If Paul kept the law how could it be true that he said not to? Romans 7:25 I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.
• How can God write the law on our hearts and still the law is abolished?
• How come God wrote the ten commandments twice with His own hand and did not let Moses at least write it the second time?
• Which way did Jesus say is the right way. the popular or the least accepted?
• If you believe John 1, then the Jesus you love created the sabbath, would that not be so?

Why does Elder111 write rhetorical questions in third-person prose, which have all been addressed at some point in the recent past? And, why doesn't Elder111 have any defense for Biblical answers?

For the bullet asking why I didn't answer everything in the previous post... Well, golly, I missed one - so what? It isn't as if there was enough substance left for Elder111 to show a glimmer of light from his perspective of darkness.

 

[VictorC]

Let me ask you a question.... where in the New Testament does anyone command anyone to keep the Sabbath? I see nothing of the sort. Until you deal with this insurmountable problem you basically have nothing to offer us here that is of any challenge.
The simple thing is.... no command given = no Sabbath to keep.

Not so. We know that the Sabbath was the only holy and sanctified day in apostolic times. The only bible present was the OT and the only religious instruction would have been from there. What would have been needed is a commandment to keep Sunday and there is none.
Situation is that you are accepting Christ in the day of the Apostles who only knew and kept the Sabbath and there is no instruction to do otherwise.
Jesus said that the law would not be changed so that in itself means that the Sabbath would remain.
Interesting that the Sabbath was always around but Sunday never was except for the worship of Baal and the Sun.
We are at Mount Carmel again If God be God worship Him if Baal be God then keep Sunday.
Heb. 4:
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
What ceasing from work does the bible give that God has asked us to do as HE did except the seventh day Sabbath?
Chapter and verse please.
It can not be eternal rest for God always was and always will be, so to cease from that would mean not to exist. It can not be righteous rest for God never needed to gain righteousness, that is what He is.

Let's review something from the memory hole, shall we?
Verbatim from an earlier post Elder111 never answered:

Please allow me to translate Elder111's post for the benefit of the lurker.

Because Elder111 has reduced the Biblical epistles to sound bites, he doesn't recognize my allusion nearly verbatim to Hebrews 4:1. Context doesn't matter to those reliant on sound bites, because the context those sound bites are found in destroy any attempt to force their theology into passages of Scripture that doesn't support their view.

It translates to an admission they don't accept Scripture.

Anyway, Elder111 didn't recognize the promise of God's rest that remained a promise the Sabbath didn't provide.
I also quoted Hebrews 4:8, and Elder111 missed its reference to "another day" promised by God, speaking through David.
Hebrews 4:10 is a part of the narrative describing:

• a promise remains of entering His rest (v.1)
• that rest (v.3)
• My rest (v.3)
• God rested (v.4)
• My rest (v.5)
• therefore it remains that some must enter it (v.4:6)
• He designates a certain day, saying in David, “Today" (v.7)
• another day (v.8)
• There remains therefore a rest (v.9)
• His rest (v.10)
• that rest (v.11)

All of this builds on the previous chapter referencing the provocation, and in both chapters quotes Psalm 95 that also references the provocation recorded in Numbers 14. Verse 4:4 quotes Genesis 2:2 to show the origin of God's rest, "that rest" that remained a promise the Sabbath didn't provide - which the people present at the provocation already had, and v.4:6 even mentions they didn't didn't enter God's rest.

That's what the narrative says.
That's what I accept at face value: God's rest originated thousands of years before the first Sabbath did, and remains a promise that "we who have believed do enter that rest" (v:4:3).
God's disposition of those rejecting God's rest in order to 'force' the Sabbath into the text, ordained in the first covenant of which "He takes away the first that He may establish the second" (v.10:9), is clear.

“So I swore in My wrath,
‘They shall not enter My rest.’”​

This is the result of unbelief, rebellion, and reducing God's Word to sound bites.

Bottom line: Sophrosyne makes a point that Elder111 has no answer for. And, Sophrosyne's point is perfectly valid.
I made a similar challenge that Elder111 simply can't answer:

Elder111 has been tasked with the responsibility of showing me when and where God ever assigned the Gentiles in Barbados the Sabbath for probably about a year now. His response has been a vacuum.

The vacuum remains unanswered.

 

[VictorC]

Let's review just one point I made previously:

Context reveals this to be a weekly pattern, by the previous verse you elected to omit. This is lying by omission, and you keep proving you can't abide by the covenant from Mount Sinai you insist others should embrace.

Elder111 wants others to keep the Ten Commandments, but it is clear that he doesn't himself. To confirm this, one needs only check the time stamp provided by CF's server affixed to his last post:

17th May 2014, 05:19 AM

So bearing false witness and violating the Sabbath are the norm for this Adventist. Scripture summarizes the purpose of the Law is to reveal sin (Romans 7:7) and drive us to our Redeemer (Galatians 3:21-25). From the latter passage we can see that Elder111 lives in a state before faith comes.

That is the Seventh-day Adventist church in a nutshell.

 

[Sophrosyne]

Not so. We know that the Sabbath was the only holy and sanctified day in apostolic times. The only bible present was the OT and the only religious instruction would have been from there. What would have been needed is a commandment to keep Sunday and there is none.
Situation is that you are accepting Christ in the day of the Apostles who only knew and kept the Sabbath and there is no instruction to do otherwise.
Jesus said that the law would not be changed so that in itself means that the Sabbath would remain.
Interesting that the Sabbath was always around but Sunday never was except for the worship of Baal and the Sun.
We are at Mount Carmel again If God be God worship Him if Baal be God then keep Sunday.
Heb. 4:
9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
What ceasing from work does the bible give that God has asked us to do as HE did except the seventh day Sabbath?
Chapter and verse please.
It can not be eternal rest for God always was and always will be, so to cease from that would mean not to exist. It can not be righteous rest for God never needed to gain righteousness, that is what He is.

You don't have a clue what this means, it doesn't in any way describe a rest/work cycle or Sabbath Day but a rest that you enter FROM the endless cycle of WORKS to no longer WORKING to show obedience.
I see nothing here that commands Sabbath Day observance I see the OPPOSITE. I see disobedience is the culprit not allow people to enter into rest which in other passages blames disobedience on the Law saying NOBODY kept the Law therefore the Law is the culprit of nobody entering into MY rest. In other words the Law (Sabbath) prevented those in the Bible from entering into this rest (MY rest) in the first place.
This scripture actually speaks AGAINST keeping the Sabbath Day.

Romans 11:32 For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

If people were obedient (to the Law, SABBATH DAY KEEPING) then they would have already ENTERED into his merciful REST (sabbath) without Jesus help. It is REST that is related to what happened on the CROSS (Jesus himself rested from his works there that is the FOCUS. Jesus said it was finished.... and meant it.

 

[Elder 111]

On many of the ex-Adventist websites, big discussions are ongoing about the damage caused by holding Seventh Day Adventism's many lies. Severe mental illness, agnosticism and atheism, and breakup of families are frequent outcomes. There is just no way of holding Adventism's toxic and dishonest beliefs without suffering the consequences. To hold them means that you simply cannot live in reality.

And the only way that you can insist on the continuing viability of the Sabbath is through deliberate and systematic Resurrection Denial. If you think that the Apostles more or less went along with their lives as usual after the Resurrection, then the Sabbath remains viable. Ellen White went to strenuous lengths to formulate a severely non-God ("Arian") Jesus and a "resurrection" that was completely carried out by Angels. Jesus's really bummer day on the Cross was a debacle that really didn't accomplish much, and the Resurrection was a nice hat trick, but nothing of any particular significance. What little was accomplished on the Cross was at best a partial atonement, that continues to be advanced through the ongoing Investigative Judgment. We take that limited atonement and with perfect Sabbath Keeping, open the possibility of Salvation if our "number" is called on a day that we have managed to be perfect in. This is all spelled out in "The Great Controversy," a 90 percent plagiarized anti-Catholic hate fest. The whole point of life is to vindicate the Old Testament law, since that is the manifestation of God's character, and which the Roman Catholic Church has almost managed to destroy.

Or, you can believe that the Resurrection was and is the Singularity of the human race and history. That is what Christianity has consistently taught from the very beginning. To ignore the overwhelming impact of this colossal world-shattering event requires severe and ongoing willpower to fend off persistent reality. To insist on the Sabbath is very much like trying to insist on the complete shutdown of the Transportation Safety Administration in the aftermath of 9-11. Since 1888, when Dudley Canright published "Seventh Day Adventism Renounced," there is an extremely disturbing set of facts that Adventism has been confronted with, yet has NEVER acknowledged, let alone addressed, let alone debated, let alone disputed, let alone refuted those facts. In more than 100 years of publishing a massive volume of books, and many scholarly books and articles on the origins of the Sabbath, the Church has simply NEVER grappled with the following statement in Canright's searing denouncement of Seventh Day Adventism. This is Eastern Orthodoxy's official position on the obvious impact of the Resurrection:

"Our Church, which includes all the very first Churches founded by the apostles, such as Jerusalem, Antioch, Ephesus, Corinth, Alexandria, and even Rome, for the first three hundred years, has kept the 'first day of the
week' as a day of rest and in holy remembrance of the Resurrection of our Blessed Lord from the dead. From the dawn of Christianity she bears witness that it has been the Sacred Day on which the faithful assembled for the partaking of the Lord's Supper, for the saying of public prayer, and the hearing of sermons.
"Our Holy Traditions, the Sub-Apostolic, Anti-Nicene and Sub-Nicene Fathers, as well as all of our historians, also bear testimony to this fact. Under the head of the Fourth Commandment in our Catechism, which is accepted by the whole Holy Orthodox Catholic Apostolic Church, this instruction is given. And both the Roman Church and all other Churches which regard the authority of antiquity, calling themselves Protestant, agree on this very fact, viz., that the Lord's Day (the first day of the week) has been observed from the morning of the Resurrection till this moment.

http://www.truthorfables.com/LYING FOR GOD.pdf

That the last sentence in that statement has never been addressed by the Seventh Day Adventist Church is extremely disturbing and revealing. It provides some indication that the Church, which has been undeniably confronted with it, officially knows that it CANNOT be refuted. Hence, "The Great Controversy's" utterly laughable Papal Conspiracy Theory fairy tale.

The "The Great Controversy," through many different editions and printings, has simply NEVER addressed that statement, nor has the Seventh Day Adventist Church done so officially. "The Great Controversy" advances a completely-baseless Papal Conspiracy theory of "Sabbath to Sunday change", and never addressed the increasing tension and growing dispute between Eastern Orthodoxy and Roman Catholicism that eventually led to complete schism in AD 1054. The war between the two divisions of early Christianity began well before Adventism's date of when the Pope unilaterally adopted Sunday worship, and laughably ignores the many disputes between the two divisions of Early Christianity. One thing is for sure: Had the Pope, or the Roman Empire, unilaterally adopted Sunday worship the Eastern Orthodox would have NEVER followed suit. They split with Rome 500 years before the Protestant Reformation.

Even Adventism's premier Sabbath Scholar Samuele Bacchiochi insists that universal Sunday worship was a done deal no later than 135 AD, 200 years before the office of the Pope as we know it now even existed. There is NO history that is contained in the Great Constroversy that is factual. This is the lengths this organization has gone in order to facilitate massive, structural Resurrection Denial.

If the Resurrection was NOT the singularity of human history, then Christianity is simply dead and worthless, and the Sabbath retains continuing viability. But if it WAS the Singularity, then immediate Sabbath abandonment happened just as Eastern Orthodoxy has insisted, without contradiction, for 2,000 years.

Adventism in fact teaches that the Resurrection was NOT the Singularity of History. There is ZERO possibility the New Testament would have been written, were the Resurrection NOT the Singularity. Why would anyone bother?

Two things here.

1. If you accept Samuele Bacchiochi's claim then the Sabbath was not done a way with by the Apostles.
2. If it was done away with what is it doing in the Synod of Loadicea in 360AD
   Canon 51
   
   The nativities of Martyrs are not to be celebrated in Lent, but commemorations of the holy Martyrs are to be made on the Sabbaths and Lord's days.

 

[LarryP2]

Two things here.

1. If you accept Samuele Bacchiochi's claim then the Sabbath was not done a way with by the Apostles.
2. If it was done away with what is it doing in the Synod of Loadicea in 360AD
   Canon 51
   
   The nativities of Martyrs are not to be celebrated in Lent, but commemorations of the holy Martyrs are to be made on the Sabbaths and Lord's days.

The Seventh Day Adventist Church - which has known about its fatal-to-Sabbath-Keeping problem regarding Eastern Orthodoxy - has lied continuously to its membership for a solid 130 years. Never addressing EO's claim even when Ellen White was forcefully faced with the facts when she was stealing massively from Wylie's "History of the Protestant Reformation."

While Bacchiochi is a HUGE improvement over Ellen White's massive lies and frauds regarding her insanely-ludicrous Papal Conspiracy theory; he never addressed Eastern Orthodoxy's claim either.

Seventh Day Adventism has provably lied to its membership - massively - for well over 130 years.

 

[Elder 111]

The Seventh Day Adventist Church - which has known about its fatal-to-Sabbath-Keeping problem regarding Eastern Orthodoxy - has lied continuously to its membership for a solid 130 years. Never addressing EO's claim even when Ellen White was forcefully faced with the facts when she was stealing massively from Wylie's "History of the Protestant Reformation."

While Bacchiochi is a HUGE improvement over Ellen White's massive lies and frauds regarding her insanely-ludicrous Papal Conspiracy theory; he never addressed Eastern Orthodoxy's claim either.

Seventh Day Adventism has provably lied to its membership - massively - for well over 130 years.

SDA's are like their God and saviour then. For it would mean that Jesus also lied when He stated that the Ten commandments should be kept when indeed He knew that they would have been abolished.Mat 19:
16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?
17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,
19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
They look like the Ten commandments to me too, but of course I am a liar.

Never believe an SDA but What about Jesus? Mat 5:
18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
19 Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
On earth those who teach it are called liars.

 

[Elder 111]

You don't have a clue what this means, it doesn't in any way describe a rest/work cycle or Sabbath Day but a rest that you enter FROM the endless cycle of WORKS to no longer WORKING to show obedience.

What do you mean working to show obedience? Do you also mean that God worked to show obedience and the rested from it? For the text says as God rested! 10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
So the Sabbath is not the seventh day! 4 For he spake in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise, And God did rest the seventh day from all his works.
But God said it was. Ex 20:
10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:
11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.
The seventh day of Hebrews is the seventh day of Genesis but not the seventh day Sabbath although God said so and wrote it twice with His own hand?

I see nothing here that commands Sabbath Day observance I see the OPPOSITE. I see disobedience is the culprit not allow people to enter into rest which in other passages blames disobedience on the Law saying NOBODY kept the Law therefore the Law is the culprit of nobody entering into MY rest. In other words the Law (Sabbath) prevented those in the Bible from entering into this rest (MY rest) in the first place.
This scripture actually speaks AGAINST keeping the Sabbath Day.

So God gave the Sabbath because He knew that nobody will be able to enter into the rest that He wanted them to have. Smart of Him don't you think? The command to keep the Sabbath is accusally one not to keep it?
The morning and evening of the Seventh day is eternity?
You must carry your idea to the legal authorities, we will have less criminals. The way to stop crime is not to have laws. Remove the law and the would be no disobedience! God could have done that from the beginning, He is not perfect after all then.

Romans 11:32

For God has shut up all in disobedience so that He may show mercy to all.

If people were obedient (to the Law, SABBATH DAY KEEPING) then they would have already ENTERED into his merciful REST (sabbath) without Jesus help. It is REST that is related to what happened on the CROSS (Jesus himself rested from his works there that is the FOCUS. Jesus said it was finished.... and meant it.

What was finished? The Sabbath or His sacrifice for all mankind?

 

[Cribstyl]

Two things here.

1. If you accept Samuele Bacchiochi's claim then the Sabbath was not done a way with by the Apostles.
2. If it was done away with what is it doing in the Synod of Loadicea in 360AD
   Canon 51
   
   The nativities of Martyrs are not to be celebrated in Lent, but commemorations of the holy Martyrs are to be made on the Sabbaths and Lord's days.

You posted Canon 51 of the Laodicean council to say that Sabbath was kept. Did you read Canon 29?
Canon 29

Christians must not judaize by resting on the Sabbath, but must work on that day, rather honouring the Lord's Day; and, if they can, resting then as Christians. But if any shall be found to be judaizers, let them be anathema from Christ.
SDA overreaches in many cases to take the common word used for 'Saturday' to imply Sabbath-keeping.