Let's talk about Joe Biden getting Viktor Shokin fired

[DaisyDay]

User Clip: Biden Tells Story of Getting the Ukraine Prosecutor Fired

The Ukrainian prosecutor was investigating Biden's son & his company was fired at Biden's request after threatening to withhold $1B in aid.

www.c-span.org

You are not getting the billion if the prosecutor is not fired -

Quid pro Quo: Definition: One might say that every bribe is a case of quid pro quo, but not every quid pro quo is a case of bribery. A bribe is something (such as money or a favor) given or promised in order to influence the judgment or conduct of someone, and while quid pro quo may to be used to describe this, it may also refer to something merely traded for something else.

Also please note the title from 2018 The Ukrainian prosecutor was investigating Biden's son & his company was fired at Biden's request after threatening to withhold $1B in aid.

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What is most interesting to note is that Biden's handling of the Shokin firing had not only international support, but bipartisan support at home up until Donald got caught in his shakedown attempt in July 2019 looking for dirt on Biden.

Republican senators echoed Biden in urging Ukrainian president to reform prosecutor general's office

A newly unearthed letter from 2016 shows that Republican senators pushed for reforms to Ukraine's prosecutor general's office and judiciary, echoing calls then-Vice President Joe Biden made at the time.

amp.cnn.com

Exclusive: Ukraine to fire prosecutor who discussed Bidens with Giuliani - source

Ukraine plans to fire the prosecutor who led investigations into the firm where Joe Biden's son served on the board, a central figure in the activity at the heart of impeachment proceedings against U.S. President Donald Trump, a source told Reuters.

www.reuters.com

 

[USincognito]

That President Biden was engaged in diplomacy, not quid pro quo is not part of the Congressional Record.

Q Is that fair? Now, Vice President Biden was vocal about his concerns about corruption in the 3 prosecutor general's office in Ukraine during this time period.
A Correct.
Q And called for the removal of Shokin from office. Is that correct?
A Yes. That was very well publicized.
Q Okay. And the Senate minority report, which I referenced earlier, described how Vice President's public calls for the Ukrainian Government to remove Shokin as prosecutor general was part of an anticorruption policy of the U.S. Government with broad bipartisan support, as well as support from allies and international institutions like the EU and the International Monetary Fund. Do you agree with that conclusion?
A Sorry. Can you repeat that?
Q Yeah. The Vice President's public calls for the removal of Shokin was part of this broad bipartisan, international anticorruption effort in Ukraine.
A Yes, I believe that was -- that was part of the conversation.
Q But it was bad for Burisma. That was the perception at Burisma, because 18 they had Shokin under their control.
A No. Burisma never informed me of that. I just was -- that's what was I told, that it was bad for Burisma. But I don't know. I don't know if it was good or bad.


Q But so do you have any basis to believe that Vice President Biden's call for Shokin's removal was driven by anything other than the U.S. Government's anticorruption policy in Ukraine?
A Yeah, I have no -- I have no other -- I have no proof or thought that that -- that he fired him for that reason.
Q You have no reason to believe otherwise.
A I have no reason to believe.

This is from Devon Archer's transcript.

 

[DaisyDay]

This reads like a total tool of government corruption supporter.

Confession in an accusation.

 

[FreeinChrist]

There was at least one notable prosecution in progress, however, at the time Shokin was sacked: a corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas company which employed Hunter Biden.​

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According to The Hill‘s Executive VP John Solomon, Ukrainian officials have a file on Burisma holdings which “shows prosecutors identified Hunter Biden, business partner Devon Archer and their firm, Rosemont Seneca, as potential recipients of money.”​

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Shokin was also interviewed for the report and said he made “specific plans” for the foiled investigation which “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”​

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Report: Biden Got Prosecutor Investigating His Son's Firm Fired | Law & Crime

Former Vice President of the United States Joe Biden reportedly "bragged" about his role in the firing of a prosecutor who was, at the time, investigating his son's company.

lawandcrime.com

John Solomon was fired, so to speak, from The Hill.

The Hill finds John Solomon 'failed' to identify key details of sources

The publication reviewed the former columnist's work after it came under scrutiny during the impeachment inquiry.

www.politico.com

John Solomon, the former opinion writer at The Hill whose columns were seen as a central part of a smear campaign against former U.S. Ambassador to Ukraine Marie Yovanovitch, failed to identify “important details” about his sources — including that they were under investigation or indictment and were even his attorneys, according toa review of his work by his former colleagues.​

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In its review of 14 columns, The Hill’s news team said serious doubts about the credibility of Solomon’s Ukrainian sources were evident even before his interviews with them. Those include, most notably, two former Ukrainian prosecutors — Yuriy Lutsenko and Victor Shokin — who were the principal sources behind unsupported allegations of corruption by former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter......​

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The Hill also raised questions — which it says remain unanswered — about Solomon’s relationships with President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani and his associate Lev Parnas, who were central figures driving the suggestion of wrongdoing by the Bidens in Ukraine. Though Solomon has claimed he relied on Parnas as a “facilitator” to connect him with sources in Ukraine, Hill staff said the communications uncovered in the House impeachment investigation pointed to deeper ties.​

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[Always in His Presence]

Shokin was also interviewed for the report and said he made “specific plans” for the foiled investigation which “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”


Hmmm... did Shokin ever dispute this?

 

[USincognito]

Shokin was also interviewed for the report and said he made “specific plans” for the foiled investigation which “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”


Hmmm... did Shokin ever dispute this?

Why are you quoting an article that's quoting a John Solomon opinion piece that we know to be problematic at the very least?

How about simply addressing the points in the OP?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Why are you quoting an article that's quoting a John Solomon opinion piece that we know to be problematic at the very least?

How about simply addressing the points in the OP?

Pssst…. I am

 

[Pommer]

Shokin was also interviewed for the report and said he made “specific plans” for the foiled investigation which “included interrogations and other crime-investigation procedures into all members of the executive board, including Hunter Biden.”


Hmmm... did Shokin ever dispute this?

Shokin had plans for a comprehensive criminal investigation?
Were they at all evident in the corruption investigations he wasn’t doing, too?

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“Crooked government officials shaking-down other crooked government officials in a never ending struggle to keep power where they said ‘it belongs!’!”

Too bad there’s this writer’s strike going on.

EDIT: I make light of this because it takes itself so seriously this taking examples of good-well-functioning government and trying to turn it into a scandal, (some way or the other). Anger is addictive. Stay golden.

 

[USincognito]

Pssst…. I am

No you're not. You're trying to rewrite history ex post facto. All you've done if post an article reporting on Solomon's garbage and a user generated clip from C-SPAN with a historically and factually incorrect description.

How about addressing why the Ukrainians wanted Shokin gone? Do you think it was because of Hunter?

Protesters Demand Dismissal Of Ukrainian Prosecutor

Dozens of activists gathered in central Kyiv have demanded an immediate dismissal of Ukraine's embattled Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin.

www.rferl.org

How about addressing why the EU wanted him gone (see OP)?
How about addressing why the IMF wanted him gone (see OP)?
How about addressing why 3 Republican Senators signed a letter calling for Shokin to be removed?

Doing any of these things would actually be addressing the points in the OP.

 

[Always in His Presence]

No you're not. You're trying to rewrite history ex post facto. All you've done if post an article reporting on Solomon's garbage and a user generated clip from C-SPAN with a historically and factually incorrect description.

How about addressing why the Ukrainians wanted Shokin gone? Do you think it was because of Hunter?

Protesters Demand Dismissal Of Ukrainian Prosecutor

Dozens of activists gathered in central Kyiv have demanded an immediate dismissal of Ukraine's embattled Prosecutor-General Viktor Shokin.

www.rferl.org

How about addressing why the EU wanted him gone (see OP)?
How about addressing why the IMF wanted him gone (see OP)?
How about addressing why 3 Republican Senators signed a letter calling for Shokin to be removed?

Doing any of these things would actually be addressing the points in the OP.

Nope

 

[wing2000]

Nope

Why not?

 

[Always in His Presence]

Why not?

Because it was a reply directly related to the topic of the thread.

 

[USincognito]

Because it was a reply directly related to the topic of the thread.

Sure, but it was false and dubious claims from a repudiated opinion writer.

As I showed, prior to your taciturn retort, you're not actually addressing any of the FACTS related to the topic of the thread.

 

[wing2000]

Because it was a reply directly related to the topic of the thread.

...which precludes discussing the foreign policy context of the Shokin firing eh?

 

[Always in His Presence]

...which precludes discussing the foreign policy context of the Shokin firing eh?

No

 

[Always in His Presence]

Sure, but it was false and dubious claims from a repudiated opinion writer.

As I showed, prior to your taciturn retort, you're not actually addressing any of the FACTS related to the topic of the thread.

Define Quid Pro Quo

 

[USincognito]

Define Quid Pro Quo

Why don't you respond to the points raised in the OP first?

Assuming you can.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Why don't you respond to the points raised in the OP first?

Assuming you can.

It is all based around a quid pro quo

And I have never assumed ignorance on your part I would ask that you would not do the same with me. It’s not a good debate, tactic it makes you look weak.

 

[Truth7t7]

How about addressing why the Ukrainians wanted Shokin gone? Do you think it was because of Hunter?

Shokin was fired directly related to Joe Biden using extortion upon the country of Ukraine, if they didn't fire Shokin who was investigating his son Hunter, Ukraine wouldn't get the $Billion$ its that simple as seen in the attached clip below

In The Clip 1:15, Joe Biden Brags About His Extortion Of Ukraine

 

[Always in His Presence]

Shokin was fired directly related to Joe Biden using extortion upon the country of Ukraine, if they didn't fire Shokin who was investigating his son Hunter, Ukraine wouldn't get the $Billion$ its that simple as seen in the attached clip below

In The Clip 1:15, Joe Biden Brags About His Extortion Of Ukraine

And that is why this is not going away.