Let's talk about Joe Biden getting Viktor Shokin fired

Are we clear on the Shokin firig

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Devon Archer: The smoking squirt gun
In this first oversight hearing they literally blocked the motion to have Devon Archer's interview transcript entered into the impeachment hearing record.
 
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Rep. James Comer said the alleged bank wires to the president's son included more than $250,000 in payments from three individuals in the summer of 2019. Comer asserted the Delaware address on the wire transfers compounded questions about what Joe Biden may have known about his son's overseas business dealings. And he said any past Biden financial entanglements in China heightened national security concerns.
The loan transferred to Hunter while using the family home as a permanent address is off topic. This thread is about how then Vice President Biden served as an instrument of U.S. policy to ensure the removal of Viktor Shokin for not doing his job.
 
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Lets update this:
Also despite the claims of the now US prez, the European Union was not calling for Shokin’s resignation. This is testified to in article in the New York Post ( founded by Alexander Hamilton) (currently being ran and this article written via the same owners sued and being sued for lying to you like nobody's business for the sake of profits) but will be slandered otherwise in some circles.​

Add of course in NYPost non journalism, they do not provide the links to the actual "progress report" they source. They only once again as other right wing outlets do (FOX, WashTimes, NYpost) provide links to their own sites that have not one thing to do with the story they are writing.

The irony here is you mention they will be slandered, when they are the ones sued and being sued for defamation. I call "projection" your honor.


Check here if additional reporting is in Edlo No source Reporting: 1 On June 26, 2020, CHS S- "CHS0 ) reported the following: First Meeting with Burisma Executives in Kyiv, Ukraine 201S/2016. Jn late 2015 or 2016, during the Obama/Biden administration, CHS was first intn)(lucedto officials ot Ukraln,;! natural gas business Burisma Holdings ("Burisma) through_ •••••• Oleksandr OstapenJco (alternate transliteration -Alexander Ostapenko; tor full identification of Os~penko, see attachments tc r:v erial 212, a FD-1023 by CHS serialize~ on l/2/2018}. CHS and Ostapenko traveled to Ukraine and went to Burisma's office that was located 20 minutes away from ttie C-rty Center. The purpose of the meeting was to disc:uss Burisma's interest In purchasing a US-based oil end gas buSiness, for purposes of merging it with Burisma for purposes of conducting an IPO in the US. Burisma wa!: willing to purchase a US-based entity for $20-30 mllUon. At this meeting was CHS, CHs·s former business partner Ostapenko, Burlsma's CFO, Vadim Pojarskii (email Vadym. oz rs ■■■■ telep one -• Karina Zlochevsky (the daughter to Burisma's CEO and founder Mykofa Zlochevsky) and her husband (FNU LNU). The conversation was in Russian, and thus -did not participate therein. During the meeting, Pojarskii asked CHS whether CHS was aware of Burisma·s Board of Directors. CHS replied •no•, and Pojarskii adviseo the board members il1cluded: 1} the former President or Prime Minister of Poland; and, 2) Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden. Pojarskii Soid Burtsma hired the former President or Prime Minister of Poland to leverage his contacts in Europe for prospective oil and gas deals, and they hired Hunter Biden to "protect us, through his dad, from all kinds or problems• (CHS was certain Pojarsl


two months after the aforementioned Burisma meeting in Ukraine, CHS traveled to Vienna, Austria with Ostapenko and met with Mykola Zlochevsky at an outside coffee shop. The triO continued to talk about the feasibility of Burisma acquiring a US-based entity. CHS recalled this meeting took place around the time Joe Biden made a public statement about (former) Ukraine Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin being corrupt, and that he should be fired/removed from office. CHS told Zlochevsky that due to Shokin's investigation into Burisma, which was made public at this time, it would have a substantial negative impact on Burisma's pmSJ)ective IPO in the United States. Zlochevsky replied something to the effect of, "Don't worry Hunter will take care of all of those Issues through his dad.• CHS did not ask any further questiens about what that specifically meant. CHS asked Zlochevsky why Burisma would pay $20-30 million to buy a US company for IPO purposes when it would be cheaper to just form a new US-entity, or purchase a corporate shell that was already listed on an exchange. Zlochevsky responded that Hunter Biden advised Burisma it could raise much more capital if Burisma purchased a larger US-based business that already had a history In the US oil and gas sector. CHS recalled Zlochevsky mentioned some US-based gas business(es} in Texas, the names of which CHS did not recall. CHS advised ZJochevsky It would be problematic to raise capita! In the US given Shokin's investigation Into Burisma as nobody in the US would invest in a company that was the subject ot a criminal investigation. CHS suggested it would best if Burisma simply litigate the matter In Ukraine, and pay some attorney $50,000. Zlochevsky said he/Burisma would likely lose the trial because he could not show that Burisma was innocent; Zlochevsky also laughed at CHS's number of $50,000 (not because of the small amount, but because the number contained a "5") and said that "it costs (million) to pay one Biden, and 5 (million) to another Biden. • CHS noted that at this time, It was unclear to CHS whether these alleged payments were already made. CHS ~ Id_ Zlochevsky that any such payments to the Bidens would complicate matters, and Burtsma should hire "some normal us oil and gas advisors" because the Bidens have no experience With that business sector. Zlochevsky made some comment that although Hunter Biden •was stupid, and his (Zlochevsky's) dog wai;; smarter," Z.lochevsky needed to keep hunter Biden (on the board) aso everything will be okay." CHS inquired whether Hunter Biden or Joe Biden told Zlochevsky he should retain Hunter Biden; Zlochevsky replied, "They both d id. a CHS reiterated CHS's opinion that Zlochevsky was making a m istake and he should fire Hunter Biden and deal with Shokin's investigation directly so that the matter will remain an issue in Ukraine, and not tum in to some international matter. Zlochevsky responded something to the effect of, "Don't worry, this thing Will go away anyway." CHS replied that, notwithstanding Shokin's investigation, it was still a bad decision for Burisma to spend $20-$30 million to buy a US business, and that CHS didn't want to be involved with the Biden matter. Zlochevsky responded that he appreciated CHS's advice, but that "it's too late to change his decision." CHS understood this to mean that Zlochevsky had already had paid the Bid ens, presumably to 0 deal with Shokin." Subsequent Tefephone Cans Betw~n CHS and Zlochevsl


(alternate transliteration Vadim Pojarskii) was assigned by Burisma to manage the acquisition, and he was planning to travel to Washington, D.C. in March, 2017.J 2019 Telephone call. After the aforementioned 2016 telephone call, CHS had no Interactions with Zlochevsky/Bursima whatsoever, until 2019. In 2019, CHS met with Ostapenko in London to discuss various business matters (which had nothing to do with Zlochevsky, Burisma, or the gas/oil industry; CHS noted that CHS's meeting with Ostapenko took place at a "Russian coffee house near l




Synopsis: Summary of CHS's meeting with executives of Burisma Holdin



 
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If you look at this thread, you will find that the reality-based side of this argument are not pointing to either Zelensky or Poroshenko as their star witnesses. This is just a strawman you have constructed.

Starting with the OP we have references to the following entities being in favor of Shokin's removal:

President Obama and the policies coming from his State Department
8 US Senators (of which 3 are Republican)
Protesting Ukrainians
The EU
The British
NATO
IMF

There are no references to either of the "2 main props" as you call them in the OP.
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This thread had (until this post) 5 references to Zelensky.
The first 3 are about Trump's perfect phone call with him.
The other 2 are you bringing him into the conversation.

There are maybe 10 references to Poroshenko. The first (post #19) is in this context "[Biden's] words clearly state that he was pressuring Poroshenko to fire Shokin because he was corrupt." Poroshenko is not being used as a witness.

If you look at this thread, you will find that the reality-based side of this argument are not pointing to either Zelensky or Poroshenko as their star witnesses. This is just a strawman you have constructed.

Starting with the OP we have references to the following entities being in favor of Shokin's removal:

President Obama and the policies coming from his State Department
8 US Senators (of which 3 are Republican)
Protesting Ukrainians
The EU
The British
NATO
IMF

There are no references to either of the "2 main props" as you call them in the OP.

This thread had (until this post) 5 references to Zelensky.
The first 3 are about Trump's perfect phone call with him.
The other 2 are you bringing him into the conversation.

There are maybe 10 references to Poroshenko. The first (post #19) is in this context "[Biden's] words clearly state that he was pressuring Poroshenko to fire Shokin because he was corrupt." Poroshenko is not being used as a witness.
right anything that might point to justifying Shokin is off limits huh?
 
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Check here if additional reporting is in Edlo No source Reporting: 1 On June 26, 2020, CHS S- "CHS0 ) reported the following: First Meeting with Burisma Executives in Kyiv, Ukraine 201S/2016. Jn late 2015 or 2016, during the Obama/Biden administration, CHS was first intn)(lucedto officials ot Ukraln,;! natural gas business Burisma Holdings ("Burisma) through_ •••••• Oleksandr OstapenJco (alternate transliteration -Alexander Ostapenko; tor full identification of Os~penko, see attachments tc r:v erial 212, a FD-1023 by CHS serialize~ on l/2/2018}. CHS and Ostapenko traveled to Ukraine and went to Burisma's office that was located 20 minutes away from ttie C-rty Center. The purpose of the meeting was to disc:uss Burisma's interest In purchasing a US-based oil end gas buSiness, for purposes of merging it with Burisma for purposes of conducting an IPO in the US. Burisma wa!: willing to purchase a US-based entity for $20-30 mllUon. At this meeting was CHS, CHs·s former business partner Ostapenko, Burlsma's CFO, Vadim Pojarskii (email Vadym. oz rs ■■■■ telep one -• Karina Zlochevsky (the daughter to Burisma's CEO and founder Mykofa Zlochevsky) and her husband (FNU LNU). The conversation was in Russian, and thus -did not participate therein. During the meeting, Pojarskii asked CHS whether CHS was aware of Burisma·s Board of Directors. CHS replied •no•, and Pojarskii adviseo the board members il1cluded: 1} the former President or Prime Minister of Poland; and, 2) Joe Biden's son, Hunter Biden. Pojarskii Soid Burtsma hired the former President or Prime Minister of Poland to leverage his contacts in Europe for prospective oil and gas deals, and they hired Hunter Biden to "protect us, through his dad, from all kinds or problems• (CHS was certain Pojarsl


two months after the aforementioned Burisma meeting in Ukraine, CHS traveled to Vienna, Austria with Ostapenko and met with Mykola Zlochevsky at an outside coffee shop. The triO continued to talk about the feasibility of Burisma acquiring a US-based entity. CHS recalled this meeting took place around the time Joe Biden made a public statement about (former) Ukraine Prosecutor General Viktor Shokin being corrupt, and that he should be fired/removed from office. CHS told Zlochevsky that due to Shokin's investigation into Burisma, which was made public at this time, it would have a substantial negative impact on Burisma's pmSJ)ective IPO in the United States. Zlochevsky replied something to the effect of, "Don't worry Hunter will take care of all of those Issues through his dad.• CHS did not ask any further questiens about what that specifically meant. CHS asked Zlochevsky why Burisma would pay $20-30 million to buy a US company for IPO purposes when it would be cheaper to just form a new US-entity, or purchase a corporate shell that was already listed on an exchange. Zlochevsky responded that Hunter Biden advised Burisma it could raise much more capital if Burisma purchased a larger US-based business that already had a history In the US oil and gas sector. CHS recalled Zlochevsky mentioned some US-based gas business(es} in Texas, the names of which CHS did not recall. CHS advised ZJochevsky It would be problematic to raise capita! In the US given Shokin's investigation Into Burisma as nobody in the US would invest in a company that was the subject ot a criminal investigation. CHS suggested it would best if Burisma simply litigate the matter In Ukraine, and pay some attorney $50,000. Zlochevsky said he/Burisma would likely lose the trial because he could not show that Burisma was innocent; Zlochevsky also laughed at CHS's number of $50,000 (not because of the small amount, but because the number contained a "5") and said that "it costs (million) to pay one Biden, and 5 (million) to another Biden. • CHS noted that at this time, It was unclear to CHS whether these alleged payments were already made. CHS ~ Id_ Zlochevsky that any such payments to the Bidens would complicate matters, and Burtsma should hire "some normal us oil and gas advisors" because the Bidens have no experience With that business sector. Zlochevsky made some comment that although Hunter Biden •was stupid, and his (Zlochevsky's) dog wai;; smarter," Z.lochevsky needed to keep hunter Biden (on the board) aso everything will be okay." CHS inquired whether Hunter Biden or Joe Biden told Zlochevsky he should retain Hunter Biden; Zlochevsky replied, "They both d id. a CHS reiterated CHS's opinion that Zlochevsky was making a m istake and he should fire Hunter Biden and deal with Shokin's investigation directly so that the matter will remain an issue in Ukraine, and not tum in to some international matter. Zlochevsky responded something to the effect of, "Don't worry, this thing Will go away anyway." CHS replied that, notwithstanding Shokin's investigation, it was still a bad decision for Burisma to spend $20-$30 million to buy a US business, and that CHS didn't want to be involved with the Biden matter. Zlochevsky responded that he appreciated CHS's advice, but that "it's too late to change his decision." CHS understood this to mean that Zlochevsky had already had paid the Bid ens, presumably to 0 deal with Shokin." Subsequent Tefephone Cans Betw~n CHS and Zlochevsl


(alternate transliteration Vadim Pojarskii) was assigned by Burisma to manage the acquisition, and he was planning to travel to Washington, D.C. in March, 2017.J 2019 Telephone call. After the aforementioned 2016 telephone call, CHS had no Interactions with Zlochevsky/Bursima whatsoever, until 2019. In 2019, CHS met with Ostapenko in London to discuss various business matters (which had nothing to do with Zlochevsky, Burisma, or the gas/oil industry; CHS noted that CHS's meeting with Ostapenko took place at a "Russian coffee house near l




Synopsis: Summary of CHS's meeting with executives of Burisma Holdin



Is this anonymous person, cited by the NY Post when it's posting a press release by Chuck Grassley, one of the witnesses who died years ago or one who recorded the tapes that might or might not exist?
 
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The loan transferred to Hunter while using the family home as a permanent address is off topic.

Just talking about the further evidence of corruption that keeps coming out.


This thread is about how then Vice President Biden served as an instrument of U.S. policy to ensure the removal of Viktor Shokin for not doing his job.

US policy that Burisma lobbied for and didn't exist until they did.
 
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right anything that might point to justifying Shokin is off limits huh?
No, but your strawman argument has no effect on the arguments that have actually been presented.

"Voting for Biden because his name comes before Trump's alphabetically" is a stupid argument, but bringing up this fact does not "justify" voting for Trump.
 
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No, but your strawman argument has no effect on the arguments that have actually been presented.

You didn't present any arguments.

We know one month before the Biden visit, Obama's State Department liked Shokin. Period. They didn't want him fired, and firing him wasn't conditional for the billion dollars in aid.


We also know Burisma, through an American lobbying team, lobbied for the State Department to fire Shokin. When? In the month before Biden visits Ukraine.

So for those of us living in reality, and looking at all the evidence (not just the garbage cherry picked) the fact that the State Department changed their minds in the last moment regarding Shokin after being lobbied by Burisma doesn't clear Biden of any wrongdoing.
 
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Hal Sparks was nice enough to post a NOVEMBER 22, 2015 meeting prep for then VP Biden's December 2015 trip to Kyiv for talks with Poroschenko Note the part underlined in red. The removal of Shokin IS OFFICIAL U.S. POLICY, and Biden would be implementing during that meeting.
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