Romans5:1 said:
Actually, this has been answered before, but I shall summarize.
1. Mormons worship a different "god" than Christians. A "god" which is infinitely contingent upon others for its existence. A "god" which became, meaning that it is neither immutable, nor possessive of the absolute character of eternality, since it potentially could go into non-existence at anytime. A "god" that is limited by his physical body. A "god" who breaks his own laws with impugnity, yet holds others eternally accountable.
2. Mormons recognize a different Jesus than Christians. The Mormon Jesus was also, like their "god," a contingent thing ("intelligence") that god brought into being through a sexual liaison with his wife, spiritually, and then later with his daughter (Mary), physically. Hence, the Mormon Jesus is a created being. Furthermore, the Mormon Jesus has created brothers and sisters, one of them being Satan, was allegedly polygamously married according to some Mormons, had children, and suffered for the sins of humanity in Gethsemane.
3. Mormons recognize a different Holy Spirit than Christians. The Holy Spirit was also an "intelligence" at one time, but was not a person. Instead, prior to becoming a person (meaning once again, he has the potential to be a non-person), it was the "mind" of God and Jesus, and then later became a man without a body. It is not omnipresent, nor omniscient as Christians believe that He is, but is fixed in space and time like the rest of the characters in the Mormon godhood, and is at the mercy of humans to decide what their fate is going be, rather than instrumental in drawing sinners to God, according to His will and purpose.
4. Mormons believe that men and women are gods and goddesses "in embryo," meaning that they have the potential to become just like God in essence. Of course most Mormons will mince words on just what it means to become a "god," stating that they could never become like God himself, but this is usually due to an absence of considering just how their "god" became what he is, his origination, and qualifications that it passed to become what it supposedly is.
5. Mormons embrace a totally different salvific structure than Christians. Mormonism is predicated upon a two-tier system whereby at the lowest level everyone is supposedly redeemed (minus the apostate Mormon who becomes a Christian and openly opposes Mormonism), and at the upper level, godhood is attained. The former level is supposedly based on grace, while the latter is based on works.
6. Mormons have a totally different concept of sin than do Christians, advocating that "in the beginning" sin was a good and courageous act leading to the obedience of the first command to have children. And if you'll simply follow the thread The Mormon Doctrine of Sin, you'll plainly see just how ridiculous the whole Mormon explanation is regarding sin, and how it helped mankind to fall upwards.
7. Mormonism asserts a different concept of the Church than does Christianity, with membership in the Mormon Church being integral to the salvation of any human being. In fact, Mormonism teaches that its church is the "only true church," and all other churches are churches of the devil. Supposedly the Mormon Church has "restored" the primitive church practices and government that the early Christian church had, yet when one considers that there were no presidents, that the apostles main activities were the founding of new churches in areas where a church did not exist, as well as the writing of inspired documents for Christian edification, there was no such thing a Quorum of Twelve or Seventy, there was no Aaronic, nor Melchizedek Priesthoods, and so on, and so forth, one can clearly conclude that whatever the Mormon Church has done, it certainly has not restored the primitive Christian church, nor its practices.
1. After talking to a few people that are mormon, I don't think that we believe in a non-eternal non-infinite God. In fact, I am really sure we believe that God is the same forever, and unchanging, and that God has no begining.
Then you make the statement about being limited to a physical body. Now, before we start interpretting scriptures differently, lets get a few things answered:
a. What is the purpose of this mortal existence?
b. Why was Adam created with an immortal perfect body?
c. If spirit is the 'best' form, then why didn't God create only spririts, instead of giving us a second rate form.
d. Why do we need a resurection? If we don't need it, then Why was Jesus resurected? Did Jesus keep his resurected body? Why would he want/need to if its restrictive or limiting? If he didnt' keep it, why be resurected in the first place, since death would be liberating us from this 'limited' physical body.
2. Incorrect. Jesus was not created. Spirits are not created. Doesn't it make sense that anything that has a begining has an end? The supposed liason is also not doctrine. Yes, some mormons do believe it. But I have not found any scriptural basis for it, so I don't believe it. It doesn't seem right, and I don't think the actual mechanics are important for us to know.
Yes it is believed that Jesus and us were formed as spirits by God the Father. I am pretty sure that is doctrine. Jesus was also far greater than us all. Satan also was created, and rebelled because Satan does have the ability to chose. Depending on your interpretation of the bible, alot of this is there, but I am sure that you will have alternate translations.
3. Incorrect on all points, except that the Holy Spirit is not the same being as God the Father. I am fairly sure that we believe the holy spirit to be omniscience, and omnipresent. Otherwise, how could more than one person feel the Holy Spirit at more than one time? We also believe that the Holy Spirit can helps us out in life, and will reveal truth to people.
4. This one is hard, because it really depends what God is. If God is the trinity, then yes, it is impossible to become that parodox, unless you had the ability to be both non-corpeal and corpeal, and speak to yourself without speaking to yourself. Still, I can admire the beauty of the trinity belief. It doesn't make sense (which I think was the beauty/purpose of the Nicean Creed), but neither does Picasso's paintings. After 'Christians' can agree on a-e of my questions in 1, then we can discuss things logically. Otherwise, whats the point? More honestly, my points are depenedent on either God the Father having a body, or God the Father not having a body, and us not having a body at the end.
5. You do have some inaccuracies. It is 3 tiered. All levels are saved by grace. Exactly what does saved by grace mean? To me it means "I tried my best, and I failed. By Grace I can be saved." It seems you think that mormons believe that only works count, and not faith nor Jesus paying for our sins. We believe that people should have good works, believe in Christ, and that after that if it were not for Jesus paying for our sins, we would not be saved, but because Jesus paid, we can be. We are unworthy of salvation. Nothing we can do can merit it, because through Jesus, though we be guilty of sin, it can be removed.
6. Ok, lets have a few questions:
a. Is God omniscience? yes, so he knew that Adam and Eve would sin. Why create humans? Why give humans the choice? If we were supposed to stay in the garden, why tempt humans with knowledge of good and evil?
7. First sentence: So you are saying that I can be a member of ANY 'christian' (by your defininition of christian) church and be saved? Why so many churches? If belief in the trinity and being a good person is all that matters, why teach anything else? Can I get some consensus (among the christians) as to what a person needs to do to be saved? All I have been able to gleen from these posts is "Belief in the trinity." I also suppose baptism is important (what about baptizing children?), but even then, what about all those people in China, where it is against the law to teach to them. Well, lets just discount that, since we all should believe it isn't fair to condemn someone who never had the chance. Back to what is needed. What type of baptism (sprinkling or immersion)? Does it matter? Who can do it?
What do you mean from the devil? I don't recall that being doctrine. Yes we do believe that if a church does not have the same doctrine as us then it isn't a true church. But don't you believe that also to some extent? Aren't there some christian churches that make you get rebaptized? Are you trying to say that belonging to any of the Christian churches and following what they teach will get me saved? So it doesn't matter if I am Baptist, Methodist, Presbytertian, or Catholic (Greek or Roman)?
No presidents? Wasn't Peter sort of incharge after Jesus died? Didn't they make Mathius an apostle after Jesus died too?
Sorry about the off topicness of dispute whether certain books were cannonized. My goal was to point out that the 'Christian' churches are not united.
