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Discussion in 'Debate Other Religions & Faiths' started by drstevej, Apr 2, 2019.

  1. He is the way

    He is the way Well-Known Member

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    We are all children of God, however there are children that God has disowned:

    (New Testament | Hebrews 12:7 - 9)

    7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
    8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
    9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected us, and we gave them reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
     
  2. HeartenedHeart

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    Ah, now we get to the matter, for how to determine who the true children of God are, and those wicked ones, the children of disobedience.

    How does scripture identify the true children of God, and those who say they are but do not what God says?
     
  3. HeartenedHeart

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    I am still interested in the LDS answer to the above question (Where is King David right now?).

    This question is still on the table, unanswered.
     
  4. He is the way

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    What does the Bible say:

    (Old Testament | Psalms 82:6)

    6 I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

    Then we have this about who is disowned:

    (New Testament | Hebrews 12:6 - 8)

    6 For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.
    7 If ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
    8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are partakers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.

    And also this:

    (New Testament | 1 John 3:1 - 11)

    1 BEHOLD, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
    2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
    3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
    4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
    5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
    6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
    7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
    8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
    9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
    10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.
    11 For this is the message that ye heard from the beginning, that we should love one another.

    I believe this sums it up.
     
  5. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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    ^^^^

    This is the topic.
     
  6. Phoebe Ann

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    Are those in the Terrestrial and Telestial his children?
     
  7. Phoebe Ann

    Phoebe Ann From Mormonism to Christ Supporter

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    OOPS! I forgot!
     
  8. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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    Just a reminder :oldthumbsup:
     
  9. He is the way

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    Yes this is the topic however it seems there have been other people here who have had questions for "LDS Folk" also. So what are the generations of God? As members of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints, we believe that families are forever. We also believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God and lives with Him. We are also children of God:
    (New Testament | John 20:17)

    17 Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God.

    In this song we see the assumption that God the Father also has a Father as did His Father and so on. The words to this song are also based on the fact that God is eternal.
     
  10. drstevej

    drstevej Light Attracts Bugs Staff Member Chaplain Supporter

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    Song:"Where Gods began to be"

    Looks conflicting.
     
  11. Peter1000

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    David is in what we call, spirit prison at the present time.

    The Church of Jesus Christ believes that David will be saved from hell, and he will be in heaven, but he will not be in the highest level of heaven, because he committed adultery, and then committed first degree murder to cove up his adultery.

    Too bad. This is a man that God loved, and gave him practically anything he wanted. When I get to the other side, David is a man I want to look up and ask him how he ever came to a conclusion to do the things he did? It is one of the saddest stories in the bible.
     
  12. He is the way

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    It may seem to be in conflict but in context it pretty much answers the question that there was no beginning:

    Do you think that you could ever,
    Through all eternity,
    Find out the generation
    Where Gods began to be?

    So the answer would be no.
     
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    Would the answer be different if the song went like this: Where God began to be?
     
  14. He is the way

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    There is one scripture that perhaps states that Jesus became a God:
    (New Testament | Philippians 2:5 - 6)

    5 Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
    6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
     
  15. Phoebe Ann

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    That does not say that Jesus at any time was not God.
     
  16. HeartenedHeart

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    The Bible (KJB) says of David himself (the person):

    Act_2:29 Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is (present tense) both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day.

    Act 2:34 For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand,

    Notice, it says nothing about a 'body' and separation of some platonic Greek ethereal essence somewhere else, it clearly states 'David', 'he is', etc.

    Additionally, why wouldn't the LDS have already proxy baptised him, or he have accepted the LDS missionaires from 'above', and David had multiple wives already, and so not be in LDS Heaven, why is David's essence (LDS) in "Hell"? Why isn't David already an LDS 'God'? Moreover, didn't God already put away David's sin?

    2Sa_12:13 And David said unto Nathan, I have sinned against the LORD. And Nathan said unto David, The LORD also hath put away thy sin; thou shalt not die.

    The word "hell" means the grave, even as the old timey definition of Hell, means a pit or grave, as one would go a hell-ing for potatoes (digging a hole for potatoes).
     
  17. HeartenedHeart

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    Dr. SteveJ's question has been thus answered. Next questions.
     
  18. Peter1000

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    Thank you, this scripture indicates, at least at this point, that Jesus was not equal with God, but knew he could be.
     
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    To a reasonable person, it does. If a person (even Jesus) thinks it not robbery to be equal with God, you would automatically assume that he had not achieved that goal yet, but is working to reach that lofty status.
     
  20. Peter1000

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    The scriptures give us 8 accounts of people who died and "gave up their ghost" (which is another way to say, their 'spirits' left their bodies.) Here is the list:
    Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Ananias, Sapphira, Herod, and Jesus. This is a list of incredible men who all died and gave up their ghost. David should be on this list because he too died and gave up his ghost.

    The question is: where did these ghosts go. Well in the case of Jesus we know that his ghost went with the thief into 'paradise'. (Luke 23:43)
    And we know that Jesus's ghost also went to the 'spirit prison' to preach. (1 Peter 3:19)

    So from Jesus's experience we know where the 2 possibilities are that your ghost will go after you die.
    1) paradise, 2) spirit prison
    I believe David's ghost went to the 'spirit prison' for committing adultery and murder. And he has not yet ascended into heaven, because as it turns out, paradise is not heaven.

    So Davids body is buried and in the sepulcher to this day, but his ghost (spirit) left his body and still lives even today, awaiting the resurrection of his body, which is nothing more than a uniting of a persons living spirit with their dead body. The spirit quickens, or animates, or gives life to the body and the body arises and comes forth out of the grave a perfect resurrected being.

    Then David will be judged, and he will end up in heaven, but not the highest level of heaven, again because of his adultery and murder problems. David's sin was set aside by God for the purpose of not throwing him in hell for eternity, but he will not have the chance to be in the highest level of heaven either.
     
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