LDS Beliefs...true or false

[artofwar]

Ok a little off topic but is it true the Mormans use the KJV of the bible only right?

 

[Rescued One]

Ok a little off topic but is it true the Mormans use the KJV of the bible only right?

That is officially the version of choice by the LDS church, but I've seen online that a few LDS are also looking at other versions.

 

[artofwar]

when was the book of morman written?

 

[christopher123]

when was the book of morman written?

mormOn

Either around 1830, or from c. 600BC to c. 400AD (not including the Book of Ether).

It really depends upon what camp you are in.


Chris <><

 

[fatboys]

When you say modern church, do you mean that this a method God gave only for the restored church? So actually, the LDS prophet has to get the approval of men for what is and is not doctrine?

FB: The process makes it so that we accept the any new doctrine by voting on it. That puts us under covenant with God and binds us to it. When people are baptised they accept the same doctrine and vote to be binding on them when the accept to be baptized. We are the whole of the church.

 

[Rescued One]

FB: The process makes it so that we accept the any new doctrine by voting on it. That puts us under covenant with God and binds us to it. When people are baptised they accept the same doctrine and vote to be binding on them when the accept to be baptized. We are the whole of the church.

I'm sorry but I don't know what you're saying. Do the members decide if it's doctrine or does God? How do you decide what is official and what is unofficial?

 

[fatboys]

I'm sorry but I don't know what you're saying. Do the members decide if it's doctrine or does God? How do you decide what is official and what is unofficial?

FB: Since you do not believe in the LDS church, do the doctrines that the church teaches have any binding affect on you now?

 

[Rescued One]

FB: Since you do not believe in the LDS church, do the doctrines that the church teaches have any binding affect on you now?

:o Oh, I see! You are unable to answer the question.

 

[fatboys]

:o Oh, I see! You are unable to answer the question.

FB: I answered it, but you again do not understand it so I was trying to put it in SIMPLE terms that you might grasp it. Once again, when God wants to guide and direct us, he speaks through his prophets as he always did when his kingdom was on the earth. Because of the wickedness and disbelief of man, there are times when his kingdom is taken. Then it has to be restored. To do this God calls prophets. When God speaks to them on doctrine we are to live by, it has a process it goes through. In this way we vote as to whether or not this doctrine or word of God is binding on us. If we vote affirmative, then we are bound by it. God can give all the commandments he wants, but unless we agree to abide by them what good are they?

 

[Frankie]

FB: I answered it, but you again do not understand it so I was trying to put it in SIMPLE terms that you might grasp it. Once again, when God wants to guide and direct us, he speaks through his prophets as he always did when his kingdom was on the earth. Because of the wickedness and disbelief of man, there are times when his kingdom is taken. Then it has to be restored. To do this God calls prophets. When God speaks to them on doctrine we are to live by, it has a process it goes through. In this way we vote as to whether or not this doctrine or word of God is binding on us. If we vote affirmative, then we are bound by it. God can give all the commandments he wants, but unless we agree to abide by them what good are they?

fatboys, I know that lds claim that the prophet of the lds church is a prophet just like the prophets of ancient times and that they are for the same purpose that those prophets were....do lds believe that the people of ancient times voted on whether a prophet was really prophet or not? I believe the lds call it sustaining a prophet to his calling.

 

[fatboys]

fatboys, I know that lds claim that the prophet of the lds church is a prophet just like the prophets of ancient times and that they are for the same purpose that those prophets were....do lds believe that the people of ancient times voted on whether a prophet was really prophet or not? I believe the lds call it sustaining a prophet to his calling.

FB: Did the ancient apostles draw lots to chose the next apostle?

 

[christopher123]

fatboys, I know that lds claim that the prophet of the lds church is a prophet just like the prophets of ancient times and that they are for the same purpose that those prophets were....do lds believe that the people of ancient times voted on whether a prophet was really prophet or not? I believe the lds call it sustaining a prophet to his calling.

Hey Frankie-

This was an interesting point for my wife on the way out of mormonism (We each had our own ugh's but thankfully we did it together and left together).

Hebrews chapter 1 answered for me the need for a prophet, but my wife made a couple of good points about Old Testament prophets. They weren't the head of a church. There were sometimes more than one (yes I know all of the current 12 are called as "prophets", but there is still just one "Prophet in the LDS church"), and they didn't meet in a quorum. I don't see any similarity between the function of the OT prophet and the LDS prophet.


Thanks,

Chris <><

 

[Romans5:1]

FB: Did the ancient apostles draw lots to chose the next apostle?

Not initially

 

[fatboys]

Hey Frankie-

This was an interesting point for my wife on the way out of mormonism (We each had our own ugh's but thankfully we did it together and left together).

Hebrews chapter 1 answered for me the need for a prophet, but my wife made a couple of good points about Old Testament prophets. They weren't the head of a church. There were sometimes more than one (yes I know all of the current 12 are called as "prophets", but there is still just one "Prophet in the LDS church"), and they didn't meet in a quorum. I don't see any similarity between the function of the OT prophet and the LDS prophet.


Thanks,

Chris <><

FB: The first five books of the bible were written by Moses. Moses who led Israel from captivity. Very little history is known from Adam to Moses. I was reading something about this history from a Non LDS source which believed that Moses wrote Genesis from records which contained writtings from Adam and that Moses Abridged the records because there were so many records. I have tried to find this information again, but I have not been able to. Anyway, my point is if the prophets were not leaders of a group, they were calling people to repent. We know very little about how many of the prophets were called, or many that were called that we have no record of. So we are not going to find much of the information you want to find in the Old Testament. Because it was either edited out, or not written down. We do know that as great as Abraham was, he paid tithes to Melchezidek, so we do know that Melchezidek seemed to have authority over Abraham. The thing about the Old Testament from the time of Moses is that the temperal law that God gave them because they could not live by faith. They had to live the letter of the law. This temperal law was never given to bring about perfection. Because of this, there were prophets called and they lead this group. During the time of Christ when doctrines needed claraity they debated, and then voted on the understanding. This was the perscribed method of understanding doctrine. Christ came and brought the new law. Even the perfect teacher could not prepare them for his departure. To fill the vacancy left by Judas, lots were drawn. Does this trouble you that revelation was not used in chosing such an important position?


I hope that you or your wife did not leave because of what you stated as the reason. I realize that your decision to leave was not taken lightly, but find it hard to think that you could not satisfy your doubts. I know, I have not been in your shoes, but surely you had experiences while you were in the church that solidified your testimony. I know I have had many experiences which, if I left, would be mocking God.

 

[Frankie]

FB: Did the ancient apostles draw lots to chose the next apostle?

fatboys, asking another question is not an answer to a previous question.

Thanks but no thanks for the non-answer.

Any other lds out there willing to answer me question rather than just ask a different question? Thanks ahead of time.

 

[Frankie]

Hey Frankie-

This was an interesting point for my wife on the way out of mormonism (We each had our own ugh's but thankfully we did it together and left together).

Hebrews chapter 1 answered for me the need for a prophet, but my wife made a couple of good points about Old Testament prophets. They weren't the head of a church. There were sometimes more than one (yes I know all of the current 12 are called as "prophets", but there is still just one "Prophet in the LDS church"), and they didn't meet in a quorum. I don't see any similarity between the function of the OT prophet and the LDS prophet.


Thanks,

Chris <><

Good points Chris. Also, the main function of the OT prophets was to prophecy and bring people to the belief of the Savior that was to come.

On a side note, how long was your wife lds? I don't remember if you mentioned that in the post of why you left the lds church.

God Bless,
Frankie

 

[Frankie]

Because of this, there were prophets called and they lead this group. During the time of Christ when doctrines needed claraity they debated, and then voted on the understanding. This was the perscribed method of understanding doctrine. Christ came and brought the new law. Even the perfect teacher could not prepare them for his departure. To fill the vacancy left by Judas, lots were drawn. Does this trouble you that revelation was not used in chosing such an important position?

fatboys, don't the lds reject the results that came about from doctrines being voted on? such as the creeds?

Also, how does voting for a prophet = voting to accurate doctrine according to what the Bible teaches?

If you are just going to answer this with another question, I would prefer an answer from another lds who will actually answer my questions.

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thanks

 

[christopher123]

On a side note, how long was your wife lds? I don't remember if you mentioned that in the post of why you left the lds church.

God Bless,
Frankie

She was born in Provo, UT. Her mother had just graduated and her father was completing his PhD at BYU. So until last year, her whole life. And yes, some of her Salt Lake relatives were real nasty about us leaving.

Chris <><

 

[Frankie]

She was born in Provo, UT. Her mother had just graduated and her father was completing his PhD at BYU. So until last year, her whole life. And yes, some of her Salt Lake relatives were real nasty about us leaving.

Chris <><

Ok, I wasn't going to ask if her relatives were nasty about you guys leaving but thanks anyway....hehhehe.

Have you guys found a church home that you are comfortable with, yet?

Also, I realize that these are personal questions so if you aren't ok with answering them, please don't feel like you have to.

God Bless,
Frankie

 

[christopher123]

Ok, I wasn't going to ask if her relatives were nasty about you guys leaving but thanks anyway....hehhehe.

Have you guys found a church home that you are comfortable with, yet?

Also, I realize that these are personal questions so if you aren't ok with answering them, please don't feel like you have to.

God Bless,
Frankie

I don't mind.

We still haven't found a church home yet. Living here in the south, most everyone is Southern Baptist. I like the "congregationalist" atmosphere of the baptist church (you do never know what you are going to get from one church to the next). We are rather conservative in our beliefs. We attended a small Baptist Church in town for a while, but didn't like the politics or behind the scenes jockeying.

Right now our kids (I have 5) are involved in a youth group at a large Baptist church. I also actually own a 150 year old church building outside of town. About 25 or so people have been getting together Sunday afternoons for praise and worship (I play guitar). We also have a regular bible study we attend.

I would like a more formal "church home" but haven't found it yet. It will happen when it is supposed to.

Thanks,

Chris <><