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I am starting to understand what Lutherans mean by "evangelical" and what they don't mean.
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No, Lutherans are evangelical in the historic sense, but not the American sense.We are not part of American Evangelicalism. Which we reject.[/QUOTE
I agree. I am an Evangelical Lutheran from the United States, but I reject what American Evangelicalism has become. It hurts to see our message sacrificed in the name of political power. I think most Evangelicals hold their beliefs rooted in fear, and not in self-sacrifice.
Yeah, no kidding. WELS here I come lolIt's absolutely not. If those two merged, It would take me about 30 seconds to bail.
Yeah. Given current trends, I find it much more likely that the ELCA will merge with the North American UMC, the UCC, and the Episcopalians to form a single left leaning denomination. Whatever issues they have regarding polity can probably be worked out given their agreement on social issues.
The Lutheran view on the sacraments is probably the one area most confusing to Baptists...
Wish they would, honestly. I get some funny looks sometimes when I say I'm a Lutheran. I then have to explain that there's a Conservative branch that keeps with the Confessions, and a Liberal branch that doesn't and that I belong to the former.
Sure, buts it's understandable given that most Lutheran churches do. The conservative confessional synod's don't, but they are pretty outnumbered by the ELCA in the USA and the Lutheran churches in Europe that do ordain women.I'm surprised at how many people are oblivious to that. Just saw a thread here today where someone said 'Lutherans' ordain women. Um, the ELCA might, but LCMS and WELS sure don't.
I'm surprised at how many people are oblivious to that. Just saw a thread here today where someone said 'Lutherans' ordain women. Um, the ELCA might, but LCMS and WELS sure don't.
Such only scratches the surface. What makes the LCMS evangelical is Bible based theology without the application of various critical standards (mostly historical (that was then, this is now), the application of human Logic; and using personal experience to filter and interpret the Bible). Scripture interprets scripture, and scripture provides context to scripture. While we adhere to historic tradition, those practices and even our Lutheran Confessions remain subject to the authority of Scripture.Well, among Evangelical churches, LCMS etc. would probably be on the extreme liturgical end of the spectrum, with Baptists on the extreme non-liturgical end, and conservative Presbyterians in the middle somewhere.
Well, it is rhetoric; they are not. The body of Lutherans that signed that agreement with the RCC still hold it up, but their theology has regressed further to secular humanism where not even their rhetorical agreement applies any longer.I was not meaning to start anything here, can they answer at least which church signed the statement saying Rome and Lutherans are now in agreement again?
Me too!It's absolutely not. If those two merged, It would take me about 30 seconds to bail.
Let it mean to them what they want it to mean. That is no different than applying historic criticism to Scripture itself. Minimalism at it's best... create your own reality.I don't think Pew Forum are wrong -- they are the experts. The word "Evangelical" today means "not theologically liberal," and covers all the non-liberal Protestant denominations.
If you're telling me that the LCMS is now the same as the ELCA, that is disappointing, and I will stay away from LCMS churches in future.
You could write and tell Pew Forum that the LCMS now identifies itself with the ELCA. You could even merge.