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LCMS evangelical?

Discussion in 'LCMS / WELS / ELS / LCC' started by Brigid63, Jan 27, 2019.

  1. Brigid63

    Brigid63 Catholic of the Augsburg Confession

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    I am starting to understand what Lutherans mean by "evangelical" and what they don't mean.
     
  2. Jerry Falwell Hanson

    Jerry Falwell Hanson New Member

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  3. Karen Hauser

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    Jerry,
    I am sorry you feel as though our message has been weakened through the increased support for loons like DT. I can't agree more, but it is always good to remain positive and uphold your faith for the sake of the people who need you. For the sake of the community you represent, your children, wife, and parents, Do not do not DO NOT lose faith. God created you for a reason, and I feel every child of his must remain faithful and outspoken in their respective communities.
     
  4. Newtheran

    Newtheran Well-Known Member

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    It's absolutely not. If those two merged, It would take me about 30 seconds to bail.
     
  5. James Murphy

    James Murphy LCMS Lutheran

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    Yeah, no kidding. WELS here I come lol :p
     
  6. Newtheran

    Newtheran Well-Known Member

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    Yeah. Given current trends, I find it much more likely that the ELCA will merge with the North American UMC, the UCC, and the Episcopalians to form a single left leaning denomination. Whatever issues they have regarding polity can probably be worked out given their agreement on social issues.
     
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  7. TKA_TN

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    Wish they would, honestly. I get some funny looks sometimes when I say I'm a Lutheran. I then have to explain that there's a Conservative branch that keeps with the Confessions, and a Liberal branch that doesn't and that I belong to the former.
     
  8. Newtheran

    Newtheran Well-Known Member

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    Working through the concept of sacraments vs ordinances was the biggest doctrinal difference I came up against when I started moving in this direction. The conclusion I came to was that the Orthodox probably have the most rational view of it with infant baptism with immediate chrismation and full participation in the life of the church.

    Whether you adopt the baptist view of delaying baptism plus an age of accountability or infant baptism plus a confirmation that plus portion ends up adding some sort of philosophical construct to the equation to make it rational. But infant baptism plus confirmation is a much more reasonable approach than "age of accountability".
     
  9. kdm1984

    kdm1984 LCMS Lutheran

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    I'm surprised at how many people are oblivious to that. Just saw a thread here today where someone said 'Lutherans' ordain women. Um, the ELCA might, but LCMS and WELS sure don't.
     
  10. tampasteve

    tampasteve Lutheran Staff Member Purple Team - Moderator Supporter

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    Sure, buts it's understandable given that most Lutheran churches do. The conservative confessional synod's don't, but they are pretty outnumbered by the ELCA in the USA and the Lutheran churches in Europe that do ordain women.

    That said, the conservative synods should try and get their message out better, which is the topic of another active thread here.
     
  11. Newtheran

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    Statement discusses ELCA decision to ordain homosexuals

    It's gone far beyond that, the ELCA is ordaining people who are LGBTPQ.
     
  12. hedrick

    hedrick Senior Veteran Supporter

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    My aunt and uncle were Methodist missionaries in Bolivia. At that time (which was decades ago) they said that in Latin America evangelical was used to mean Protestant. As Methodists they were considered evangelical.

    Wikipedia (Evangelicalism - Wikipedia) gives a variety of historical influences. But I would say that the modern use really dates to around 1950, when what was sometimes called neo-evangelicalism developed out of the fundamentalist movement, as a group that was more interested in engaging the culture. Conservative parts of various mainline traditions now call themselves evangelical. And there's some merit to that, because they share a lot of theology with the original neo-evangelicals.

    The word "evangelical" in the ELCA's name is the older usage.
     
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  13. MarkRohfrietsch

    MarkRohfrietsch Unapologetic Apologist Supporter

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    Such only scratches the surface. What makes the LCMS evangelical is Bible based theology without the application of various critical standards (mostly historical (that was then, this is now), the application of human Logic; and using personal experience to filter and interpret the Bible). Scripture interprets scripture, and scripture provides context to scripture. While we adhere to historic tradition, those practices and even our Lutheran Confessions remain subject to the authority of Scripture.
     
  14. MarkRohfrietsch

    MarkRohfrietsch Unapologetic Apologist Supporter

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    Well, it is rhetoric; they are not. The body of Lutherans that signed that agreement with the RCC still hold it up, but their theology has regressed further to secular humanism where not even their rhetorical agreement applies any longer.

    In reality, it was no more than a "photo opp".
     
  15. MarkRohfrietsch

    MarkRohfrietsch Unapologetic Apologist Supporter

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    Me too!
     
  16. MarkRohfrietsch

    MarkRohfrietsch Unapologetic Apologist Supporter

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    Let it mean to them what they want it to mean. That is no different than applying historic criticism to Scripture itself. Minimalism at it's best... create your own reality.
     
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