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Law of sin and death?

Discussion in 'Messianic Judaism' started by Dave-W, May 6, 2019.

  1. LoveofTruth

    LoveofTruth Christ builds His church from within us

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    Paul did quote scriptures often and he actually wrote scripture as well. Paul said

    2 Timothy 3:16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”

    In Paul’s day and today believers should not be restricted by some forum rules that hinder free expression and where people will revert to their own rules rather than live and patience in Christ.
    I am not afraid to talk to any about anything. But in this case scripture is all that is needed. Paul very clearly corrects many’s ideas in here.
     
  2. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    I am NOT talking about "the old covenant." I am talking about NEW COVENANT Judaism.

    If you do not or cannot recognize that, why are you in this forum?
     
  3. Dave-W

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    You are applying what Paul said to gentile believers to everyone.
     
  4. LoveofTruth

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    Peter did the same

    Acts 15:7. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.8. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;9. And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.10. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?11. But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.”
     
  5. Shimshon

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    He seems to think we are fearful and troubled by the scripture he is misapplying, and that if he wasn't bound by some form of control, lord knows it's not the SOP of this forum, he would expose and correct us in a much bolder manner.

    He's using scripture like a gun with verses as bullets to pierce the ones he seeks to expose and correct. And he thinks we are scared and troubled by his acting like a crusader on his mission. You could call him a Holy Roller, he rolls all questions off his sleeve as he wields his holy sword, Paul the Apostate....

    And he claims to not be afraid to talk about anything yet he refuses to answer scores of questions provided him.
     
  6. Dave-W

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    Peter was talking about the gentile believers, NOT the Jewish believers. That was understood by James and Paul as well.

    Acts 21:20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. 21 They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. 22 What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23 so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

    And then James adds this:

    25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”
     
  7. Dave-W

    Dave-W Welcoming grandchild #7, Arturus Waggoner! Supporter

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    Par for the course.....
     
  8. Yeshua HaDerekh

    Yeshua HaDerekh Men can dream of truth, but then cant live with it

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    Except that is about FASTING...
     
  9. LoveofTruth

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    What do you mean when you say

    Paul the apostate”?????
     
  10. LoveofTruth

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    No it’s not
     
  11. LoveofTruth

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    Read Acts 21 closer. They (the Jewish believers in Jesus) still we’re sacrificing animals.

    Acts 21:26. Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purifcation, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.”

    Paul said also,

    1 Corinthians 9:19. For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.20. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;21. To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.22. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.23. And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.”

    You greatly error

    Read Hebrews 9-11 over and over again in prayer.
     
  12. LoveofTruth

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    Acts 15:7. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.8. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;9. And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.10. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?11. But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.”
     
  13. Dave-W

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    Of course they were. So was Paul.
     
  14. Dave-W

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    No difference in how they were saved.
    BIG difference in how they were to live.
     
  15. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Absolutely it is
     
  16. Yeshua HaDerekh

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    Do you even know what they were doing? You are VERY wrong because you do not know the Jewish context...
     
  17. LaBèlla

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    As Dave mentioned, the differences relate to function not salvation.

    Israel was never mandated to go out into the world. They were told to be a light unto it by staying separate and being different. There were prohibitions about mixing. Outsiders could join but they weren’t permitted to do the same.

    Discipleship wasn’t their assignment which is why they don’t proselytize and have serious issues with it. Being a light is their mission.

    Gentiles were instructed to go into the world and make disciples of all men. They didn’t have the same restrictions Israel received. Making disciples is their mission.

    Christ said He did not come to abolish the Law; but to fulfill it. His fulfillment is its completion. This is the issue with replacement theology.

    We are one in spirit but different in function. That hasn’t changed. Two brides with one God. Father and Son.
     
  18. pinacled

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    What part of the torah is fading? I asked you a very specific question to which an answer is found in
    Romans 5
    two mountains in shechem where the terrain of the torah has since been reshaped to a land in the torah of the spirit. Only the lawless deny the Royal Torah.
    But the free gift is not like the offence. For if, because of one man’s offence, many died, then how much more has God’s grace, that is, the gracious gift of one man, Yeshua the Messiah, overflowed to many

    What then shall i do with the old wine?
     
    Last edited: Jul 11, 2019
  19. Mercy74

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    Wine increases in value with age, but you must keep the ancient wine within the bottle or wineskin, the year is normally written on the container (smile). What covenant did he make with them when he lead them out of Egypt? Did Israel exist as a nation at that time?
     
  20. Mercy74

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    When a nation is formed (Israel) a constitution or covenant is ratified. This means that all other legal agreements are made null and void like slavery. A constitution may abolish slavery. I know you do not know the mind of Paul the son of a Pharisee; sold as a slave to sin (Romans 7:14).
     
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