Law of sin and death?

[LoveofTruth]

Paul says follow him as he follows Christ (1 Corinthians 11:1). In other words Paul did not go around posting or quoting scriptures; he wrote his own letters "explaining" the scriptures. Big difference from what you do on this forum; anyone devoid of Torah can copy and paste. You have failed to properly explain Torah like Paul the son of a Pharisee.

Paul did quote scriptures often and he actually wrote scripture as well. Paul said

2 Timothy 3:16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”

In Paul’s day and today believers should not be restricted by some forum rules that hinder free expression and where people will revert to their own rules rather than live and patience in Christ.
I am not afraid to talk to any about anything. But in this case scripture is all that is needed. Paul very clearly corrects many’s ideas in here.

 

[Dave-W]

The Old Covenant was slowly fading away and ready to vanish, and God allowed a time of transition or reformation to the Jews. But this by no means says they should stay in the old.

You should not put new wine in old wine skins.

I am NOT talking about "the old covenant." I am talking about NEW COVENANT Judaism.

If you do not or cannot recognize that, why are you in this forum?

 

[Dave-W]

But in this case scripture is all that is needed. Paul very clearly corrects many’s ideas in here.

You are applying what Paul said to gentile believers to everyone.

 

[LoveofTruth]

You are applying what Paul said to gentile believers to everyone.

Peter did the same

Acts 15:7. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.8. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;9. And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.10. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?11. But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.”

 

[Shimshon]

If you do not or cannot recognize that, why are you in this forum?

some cannot bear my explanations and get fearful and troubled so I stick with scripture. If we were in a different setting, perhaps in person I would speak much clearer and bolder in the Lord to you. You would clearly be exposed and corrected.

I am not afraid to talk to any about anything.

He seems to think we are fearful and troubled by the scripture he is misapplying, and that if he wasn't bound by some form of control, lord knows it's not the SOP of this forum, he would expose and correct us in a much bolder manner.

He's using scripture like a gun with verses as bullets to pierce the ones he seeks to expose and correct. And he thinks we are scared and troubled by his acting like a crusader on his mission. You could call him a Holy Roller, he rolls all questions off his sleeve as he wields his holy sword, Paul the Apostate....

And he claims to not be afraid to talk about anything yet he refuses to answer scores of questions provided him.

 

[Dave-W]

Peter did the same

Acts 15:7. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.8. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;9. And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.10. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?11. But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.”

Peter was talking about the gentile believers, NOT the Jewish believers. That was understood by James and Paul as well.

Acts 21:20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. 21 They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. 22 What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23 so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

And then James adds this:

25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”

 

[Dave-W]

And he claims to not be afraid to talk about anything yet he refuses to answer scores of questions provided him.

Par for the course.....

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Yes Paul was all things to all men as he said.i could give many examples But Paul also said things like this,

Romans 14:1. Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.2. For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak, eateth herbs.3. Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him.4. Who art thou that judgest another man's servant? to his own master he standeth or falleth. Yea, he shall be holden up: for God is able to make him stand.5. One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.6. He that regardeth the day, regardeth it unto the Lord; and he that regardeth not the day, to the Lord he doth not regard it. He that eateth, eateth to the Lord, for he giveth God thanks; and he that eateth not, to the Lord he eateth not, and giveth God thanks.7. For none of us liveth to himself, and no man dieth to himself.8. For whether we live, we live unto the Lord; and whether we die, we die unto the Lord: whether we live therefore, or die, we are the Lord's.9. For to this end Christ both died, and rose, and revived, that he might be Lord both of the dead and living.10. But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ....14. I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself: but to him that esteemeth any thing to be unclean, to him it is unclean.15. But if thy brother be grieved with thy meat, now walkest thou not charitably. Destroy not him with thy meat, for whom Christ died....19. Let us therefore follow after the things which make for peace, and things wherewith one may edify another.20. For meat destroy not the work of God. All things indeed are pure; but it is evil for that man who eateth with offence.21. It is good neither to eat flesh, nor to drink wine, nor any thing whereby thy brother stumbleth, or is offended, or is made weak.22. Hast thou faith? have it to thyself before God. Happy is he that condemneth not himself in that thing which he alloweth.23. And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin.”

Except that is about FASTING...

 

[LoveofTruth]

He seems to think we are fearful and troubled by the scripture he is misapplying, and that if he wasn't bound by some form of control, lord knows it's not the SOP of this forum, he would expose and correct us in a much bolder manner.

He's using scripture like a gun with verses as bullets to pierce the ones he seeks to expose and correct. And he thinks we are scared and troubled by his acting like a crusader on his mission. You could call him a Holy Roller, he rolls all questions off his sleeve as he wields his holy sword, Paul the Apostate....

And he claims to not be afraid to talk about anything yet he refuses to answer scores of questions provided him.

What do you mean when you say

Paul the apostate”?????

 

[LoveofTruth]

Except that is about FASTING...

No it’s not

 

[LoveofTruth]

Peter was talking about the gentile believers, NOT the Jewish believers. That was understood by James and Paul as well.

Acts 21:20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. 21 They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. 22 What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23 so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

And then James adds this:

25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”

Read Acts 21 closer. They (the Jewish believers in Jesus) still we’re sacrificing animals.

Acts 21:26. Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purifcation, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.”

Paul said also,

1 Corinthians 9:19. For though I be free from all men, yet have I made myself servant unto all, that I might gain the more.20. And unto the Jews I became as a Jew, that I might gain the Jews; to them that are under the law, as under the law, that I might gain them that are under the law;21. To them that are without law, as without law, (being not without law to God, but under the law to Christ,) that I might gain them that are without law.22. To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some.23. And this I do for the gospel's sake, that I might be partaker thereof with you.”

You greatly error

Read Hebrews 9-11 over and over again in prayer.

 

[LoveofTruth]

Peter was talking about the gentile believers, NOT the Jewish believers. That was understood by James and Paul as well.

Acts 21:20 When they heard this, they praised God. Then they said to Paul: “You see, brother, how many thousands of Jews have believed, and all of them are zealous for the law. 21 They have been informed that you teach all the Jews who live among the Gentiles to turn away from Moses, telling them not to circumcise their children or live according to our customs. 22 What shall we do? They will certainly hear that you have come, 23 so do what we tell you. There are four men with us who have made a vow. 24 Take these men, join in their purification rites and pay their expenses, so that they can have their heads shaved. Then everyone will know there is no truth in these reports about you, but that you yourself are living in obedience to the law.

And then James adds this:

25 As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”

Acts 15:7. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.8. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;9. And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.10. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?11. But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.”

 

[Dave-W]

Read Acts 21 closer. They (the Jewish believers in Jesus) still we’re sacrificing animals.

Of course they were. So was Paul.

 

[Dave-W]

Acts 15:7. And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.8. And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;9. And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.10. Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?11. But we believe that through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.”

No difference in how they were saved.
BIG difference in how they were to live.

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

No it’s not

Absolutely it is

 

[Yeshua HaDerekh]

Read Acts 21 closer. They (the Jewish believers in Jesus) still we’re sacrificing animals.

Acts 21:26. Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purifcation, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them.”

Do you even know what they were doing? You are VERY wrong because you do not know the Jewish context...

 

[bèlla]

As Dave mentioned, the differences relate to function not salvation.

Israel was never mandated to go out into the world. They were told to be a light unto it by staying separate and being different. There were prohibitions about mixing. Outsiders could join but they weren’t permitted to do the same.

Discipleship wasn’t their assignment which is why they don’t proselytize and have serious issues with it. Being a light is their mission.

Gentiles were instructed to go into the world and make disciples of all men. They didn’t have the same restrictions Israel received. Making disciples is their mission.

Christ said He did not come to abolish the Law; but to fulfill it. His fulfillment is its completion. This is the issue with replacement theology.

We are one in spirit but different in function. That hasn’t changed. Two brides with one God. Father and Son.

 

[pinacled]

The Old Covenant was slowly fading away and ready to vanish, and God allowed a time of transition or reformation to the Jews. But this by no means says they should stay in the old.

You should not put new wine in old wine skins.

What part of the torah is fading? I asked you a very specific question to which an answer is found in
Romans 5
two mountains in shechem where the terrain of the torah has since been reshaped to a land in the torah of the spirit. Only the lawless deny the Royal Torah.
But the free gift is not like the offence. For if, because of one man’s offence, many died, then how much more has God’s grace, that is, the gracious gift of one man, Yeshua the Messiah, overflowed to many

What then shall i do with the old wine?

 

[Mercy74]

The Old Covenant was slowly fading away and ready to vanish, and God allowed a time of transition or reformation to the Jews. But this by no means says they should stay in the old.

You should not put new wine in old wine skins.

Wine increases in value with age, but you must keep the ancient wine within the bottle or wineskin, the year is normally written on the container (smile). What covenant did he make with them when he lead them out of Egypt? Did Israel exist as a nation at that time?

 

[Mercy74]

Paul did quote scriptures often and he actually wrote scripture as well. Paul said

2 Timothy 3:16. All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:17. That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.”

In Paul’s day and today believers should not be restricted by some forum rules that hinder free expression and where people will revert to their own rules rather than live and patience in Christ.
I am not afraid to talk to any about anything. But in this case scripture is all that is needed. Paul very clearly corrects many’s ideas in here.

When a nation is formed (Israel) a constitution or covenant is ratified. This means that all other legal agreements are made null and void like slavery. A constitution may abolish slavery. I know you do not know the mind of Paul the son of a Pharisee; sold as a slave to sin (Romans 7:14).