knights of columbus secret intiation

[Michie]

Just another forum

I think there are times OBOB rivals GT.

 

[Chany]

I think there are times OBOB rivals GT.

Well, you kind of ask for it in GT the second you go there.

 

[Michie]

Well, you kind of ask for it in GT the second you go there.

Well OBOB is supposed to be a safehaven for those that are practicing Catholics in obedience to the Church. You don't ask for it here but you get it anyway.

 

[Anhelyna]

The Knights of Columbus and their charity work are not the be-all-and-end-all of charity. There are many other organisations who do a lot - but they do not need to have this almost secret society 'thing' re ceremonies and feathered plumed hats, swords and cloaks . St Vincent de Paul stand at Churches with their collecting boxes - and then they quietly get on and help folk , yes I know so do the KSC , and the Salvation Army , and Caritas, and SCIAF and [ yes here you can shudder ] the Masons and similar groups.

 

[holyorders]

I was a knight but I will never go back to them. PM me if you wanna know...

 

[Catherineanne]

I am a fiance of a now member and I seriously losing sleep, crying, and getting sick over him joining. I need to know what happens in that ceremony because it scares me that he did something I will never by oath be able to know about. If a man can take an oath and he is a catholic man joined in a sacrament, why can't he tell his wife? I need help because I really don't like not knowing what happened at the ceremony and what he committed to or what happened to him!

I think I would agree with your concern. Any organisation which asks a husband to keep a secret from his wife, or a wife from her husband, seems to me to put a division between the married couple that is simply not necessary.

This does not mean that husbands can't have any part of their lives which is apart from their wife; a man might play golf or go fishing, and his wife be perfectly happy not to know every stroke, or every 'one that got away.' But that would be their choice, worked out together. At any time he might decide to tell her more, or she might decide to go along and learn more for herself. Ditto with her life.

I do not know what the 'Knights of Columbus' do. If it is charity work, then all well and good. If the boys want to have a fancy title, and dress up, and have secrets, then let them, but not at the expense of their marriage. Secrets from a spouse (or from a confessor, ftm) are not really acceptable, imo.

 

[Virgil the Roman]

If they kept up with the times they'd have guns. If they were real forward-thinking, maybe some sort of rad plasma-rifles.

They'd keep the capes though.

Or phasers . . . ?

 

[Virgil the Roman]

Although . . .

 

[americanvet]

Ok if Catholics get phasers I'm converting.

 

[S.ilvio]

 

[Erose]

To get back to the topic, I have been a Knight for a while now and I will tell you that in the groups I have been involved in that this organization provides a need. It gives men a easy means of doing works of charity that normally they would have have especially those of us who work a fulltime job.

Some of the things that the Knights do are:

1) The Tootsie Roll Drive: each year 1000s of Knights stand out in front of stores giving out Tootsie Rolls for donations. These donations go to helping the mentally disabled.
2) Also the Knights raise money to provide Ultrasound machines to Pregnacy crisis centers.
3) They give money and time to many church functions and needs.
4) Down here in South USA most if not all of the ushers are Knights.
5) They participate in many charity fund-raisers.
6) It was the Knights in my local parish that ran a golf-tournament to help raise money for a new Church building. Most of the money for the new Church came from this annual golf-tournament.
7) Knights along with our Ladies' Guild provide most of the physical labor need around the Church.
8) If the Church needs something, it is usually the Knights that the priest comes to first.
9) You will also discover that the Knights are heavy in the pro-life movement.
10) If their is a person or family in need within the parish or even the wider community, the Knights are usually the first called by the priest to help out.

You should be happy that your husband wants to be part of something like this. Being a Knight means that your Christianity is not left in the pews after Sunday Mass and like I said before if gives your husband and you a easy means of practicing charity.

Heck it can be something you do together for there are many knight commitees that are couple driven such as the need for a Knight sponsored Pro-Life Couple.

 

[Elvisman]

The Knights of Columbus and their charity work are not the be-all-and-end-all of charity. There are many other organisations who do a lot - but they do not need to have this almost secret society 'thing' re ceremonies and feathered plumed hats, swords and cloaks . St Vincent de Paul stand at Churches with their collecting boxes - and then they quietly get on and help folk , yes I know so do the KSC , and the Salvation Army , and Caritas, and SCIAF and [ yes here you can shudder ] the Masons and similar groups.[/quote]
<staff edit>

There is nothing wrong in what I have said because I know what the Knights are all about and I will always defend them against unintelligent slurs. We were founded by Fr. Michael McGiveny &#8211; who happens to be in the process of canonization for his founding of the Knights, by the way.<staff edit> Benedict XVI<staff edit> declared him &#8220;Venerable Servant of God&#8221; in 2008.

<staff edit> In the 19th century, Catholics were blacklisted from acquiring life insurance for their families, so when a man died on the job, his widow and children were left helpless. Fr. McGiveny saw this grave injustice and gathered a group of men from his parish to help these poor widows. Thus, the Knight of Columbus was born.

Today, it is the largest single insurer of Catholic families in the world &#8211; one of the largest, period. It is the Knight of Columbus who successfully lobbied for &#8211; and got &#8211; the words &#8220;under God&#8221; inserted into the Pledge of Allegiance in 1954. And, it is the Knights of Columbus who have raised more money and awareness in furthering the Pro-Life cause in its efforts to end Abortion than any single entity in the world.
The Catholic Church is the largest charitable organization and largest healthcare provider in the world &#8211; due in no small part to the Knights of Columbus.

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[InnerPhyre]

We should start a fraternal order. No secret handshake or rites of innitiation or anything, just conversation over good booze and the occasional donation to a charity we support. Also, we'd let chicks in. In fact, we should only let chicks in.

Sounds like the men's group at my home parish. We meet for wings and beer once a week and discuss church matters, upcoming events, and shoot the breeze. Then the wives got wind of how good the wings were and the beer specials and they wanted in. So we let em.

 

[MikeK]

Sounds like the men's group at my home parish. We meet for wings and beer once a week and discuss church matters, upcoming events, and shoot the breeze. Then the wives got wind of how good the wings were and the beer specials and they wanted in. So we let em.

I have a Bible Study group that meets once a week at a dank little German-esque pub where we discuss the readings of the week over a half dozen Hacker Pshorrs and solve the world's problems. We've managed to do some good for the community. We all have different skillsets and experiences, it's amazing how much work you can get done when you have a truly diverse group.

 

[Hammster]

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[Philothei]

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[pdudgeon]

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[starkiller1993]

Nothing bad happened, all he did was profess his loyalty to the church and to follow its teachings. The only thing we are sworn to secrecy on are the actual proceedings themselves. I know, I'm a 4th degree knight. So put your mind at ease, my dear, there is nothing to worry about.

 

[Michie]

Nothing bad happened, all he did was profess his loyalty to the church and to follow its teachings. The only thing we are sworn to secrecy on are the actual proceedings themselves. I know, I'm a 4th degree knight. So put your mind at ease, my dear, there is nothing to worry about.

Well I'm just flat out disappointed. I was expecting some real clock & dagger stuff complete with albino monks.

 

[KNP950]

You have absolutely nothing to worry about regarding your husband being a Knight. On the contrary you should be at rest, even proud that your husband has a strong faith and not only talks but walks the walk. A man if faith doesn't deserve to be mistrusted. I am a Knight, 3rd degree. The ONLY secretive part if the KOC is initiation, nothing else. It is a fraternity and every fraternity has some kind of initiation secret. KOC is a FAMILY group. As a matter if fact should he chose to purchase I durance or make investments, which are not required by any means, he can not do so without spouse's signature and consent regardless of who is the "bread winner" for a lack of better words. You should be proud not suspicious. I don't know if you are a newlywed. I've been married 23 years. I don't mean to sound negative or judge mental myself but if you don't trust his belonging to the KOC, you are certainly going to be a very untrusting spouse in matters that might spur curiosity. Thank God it from an outsiders view appears you married a man with strong convictions which can only make for a better husband and father for your children. Trust him, trust in The Lord.