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Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by StephenDiscipleofYHWH, Nov 14, 2018.

  1. thomasanderson

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    Do you notice that the majority of the scriptures you posted are Old Testament and probably all fulfilled.
     
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  2. Original Happy Camper

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    If your above statement is true where does the following verse fall within this teaching of yours?
    Revelation 20:2
    And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
     
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    Is this the verse you are referring to in the above statement
    2 Peter 3:8
    But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
     
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    Kingdom of God on Earth

    Is there anyone here familiar with Preston Eby?

    I first found out about his site years ago when I was studying on Melchizedek in Hebrews 7.
    I have yet to finish his whole 7 part series on him:

    Kindgdom Bible Studies Royal Priesthood Part 17
    THE MELCHIZEDEK CONNECTION


    I see he also has a 60 part series on the Kingdom of God which looks interesting:

    Kindgdom Bible Studies Kingdom of God Part 1

    It is significant to note that the phrases “Kingdom of God” and “Kingdom of Heaven” are not to be found in the Old Testament. They are strictly New Testament terms beginning with John the Baptist and Jesus. When Jesus came He did not preach a message called grace, or salvation, or justification, or sanctification, or regeneration, or even the Church. Could there be any more glorious message than the one that fell from His lips as He began His sonship ministry declaring, “The KINGDOM OF GOD IS AT HAND!”

    From that time forward the great teaching of the Lord centered in the truth of THE KINGDOM. His gospel was the gospel (good news) of the Kingdom of God. He only lightly touched on the other subjects which today are considered the great doctrines of the Church and then only as they related to the Kingdom.
    All of these things are included within the Kingdom, but the Kingdom is none of them. The Kingdom is THE RULE OF GOD. It is the DOMINION OF GOD....................

    There are many strange ideas around about the difference between the terms “Kingdom of God” and “Kingdom of Heaven”. It has been taught that the Kingdom of God is spiritual and heavenly, whereas the Kingdom of Heaven is temporal and earthly, and that the two cannot be mixed. Actually, if there were any truth in that, it still sounds backwards!

    Carnal-minded men have long tried to make a distinction between the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven, as though they were two separate kingdoms.
    Our Lord’s instructions upon sending out the twelve were, according to Matthew, “And as ye go, preach, saying, The kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Mat. 10:7).
    According to Luke, “He sent them forth to preach the kingdom of God, and to heal the sick” (Lk. 9:2).
    Certainly Jesus did not preach two conflicting messages at the same time! Surely He was not announcing two separate and distinct kingdoms and declaring them both to be at hand!

    These, and many other passages, show the Kingdom of God and the Kingdom of Heaven are one and the same. Yet — there is a difference!
    For, you see, heaven is a REALM and God is a PERSON. The Kingdom has its origin in the REALM OF HEAVEN, and in the PERSON OF GOD. The term “Kingdom of Heaven” denotes from whence (from what place, location, realm or dimension) the Kingdom proceeds, whereas the term “Kingdom of God” reveals from whom (from what person or being) the Kingdom originates.

    Some say that the Kingdom of God is an eternal kingdom of God over all and that the Kingdom of Heaven is an earthly and temporal program, some future divine dynasty to be established on earth, and that it is of special significance only to the Jews, who, still awaiting their Messiah, will see His righteous government in control of the world, and in their hands, during the Millennium. Others assume that the Kingdom of Heaven means a kingdom in heaven, so they are waiting to die so they can go to their kingdom in heaven where they intend to spend eternity strumming harps and dancing up and down the streets of gold............


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  5. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Actually, if you read they have not yet been fulfilled.
     
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  6. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    It takes place at the same time as the first resurrection, during the time of the mark of the beast. The resurrection of the righteous dead who died for Christ.
    Revelation 20:2-6
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

    The second resurrection takes place after the thousand years are finished at the time of Christ's return at the final hour. Destroying the heavens and the earth by fire. The second resurrection is for all those who were not raised in the first resurrection, both the righteous and wicked are raised in the second resurrection.
     
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  7. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    This was what I was reffing to brother.
    The time is shortened otherwise no flesh will survive(Matt 24:22) so just as days were for years(Ez 4:6, Num 14:34) the years are for days.
     
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    God did mercifully shorten those days for the Jews in the 70ad siege of Jerusalem......
    According to Josephus, Titus, with God's help, took the mighty fortress City of Jerusalem in just 5 months [w/o using bombers, tanks, missles.........
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    Luke 19:
    41 And as He nears, beholding the City, and He laments on Her,
    43 That shall be arriving days upon Thee,
    and Thy enemies shall be casting up a rampart/siege-work<5482> to Thee
    and shall be encompassingThee,
    and pressing Thee from-every-side.
    44 And shall be leveling Thee and Thy offspring in Thee,
    and not shall be leaving stone upon stone in Thee,..........

    Matthew 24
    19 And woe! to those with child, and to those giving suck in those days;
    22 And if those days were not shortened no flesh would have been saved;
    but because of the chosen, shall those days be shortened
    Luke 21:
    22 “For these are the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.
    23 “But woe! to those who are pregnant and to those who are nursing babies in those days! For there will be great distress in the land and wrath upon this people.

    Revelation mentions 5 months:

    Revelation 9:5

    And was given to them that not they should be killing them, but that they should be being tormented five months
    And the torment of them as torment of a scorpion/skorpiou <4651>, whenever it should be striking a man;

    Reve also mentions the Roman denari.......this verse denotes the famine upon the Jews and Jerusalem in 70ad:

    Revelation 6:6
    And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "choinex of grain/wheat a denari and three choinex of barleys a denari,
    and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring".

    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

    Meanwhile the horrors of famine
    grew still more melancholy and afflictive.
    The Jews, for of food were at length compelled to eat their belts, their sandals, the skins of their shields, dried grass, and even the ordure of oxen...........

    At the recital of this melancholy and affecting occurrence, the whole city stood aghast, and poured forth their congratulations on those whom death had hurried away from such heartrending scenes.

    Revelation 9:6
    In those days they will seek the death and will not find it;
    they will desire to die, and the death will flee from them.


    ...............This memorable siege terminated on the eighth day of the ninth month, A.D. 70 : its duration was nearly five months[same amount of time the flood covered the earth],
    the Romans having invested the City on the fourteenth day of the fourth month, preceeding.
    Before their final demolition, however, Titus took a survey of the city and its fortifications ; and, while contemplating their impregnable strength, could not help ascribing his success to the peculiar interposition of the ALMIGHTY HIMSELF. "Had not God himself (exclaimed he) aided out operations, and driven the Jews from their fortresses, it would have been absolutely impossible to have taken them ;
    for what could men, and the force of engines, have done against such towers as these ?"

    Genesis 7:24
    And the waters prevailed on the earth one hundred and fifty days.



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  9. thomasanderson

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    Proof please. Christ fulfilled the OT during his first coming.
     
  10. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    That's assuming that all of it is already past and none of it will take place in the future.
     
  11. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    He fulfilled the Old Testament law that was what he came to fulfill.
    Matt 5:17-18
    18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
    25 Then he said unto them, O fools, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken:
    26 Ought not Christ to have suffered these things, and to enter into his glory?
    27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.

    We are built on the prophets as not all things were finished in Christ only the Law and the prophecies concerning his coming and resurrection
    Ephesians 2:20
    20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

    If all things in the Old testament are finished as you said "Christ fulfilled the OT during his first coming" then the new heavens and the new earth are already here, and the wicked have already awoken and suffered eternal contempt to be witness by the righteous, or he was not the messiah.
    Isaiah 66:
    22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
    23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
    24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.

    So unless we are in the New heavens and New earth, and are able to look upon the carcass of the wicked aflame before us, then not all things from the Old testament are fulfilled and prophecy remains. Or do you wish to change your statement to justify "Christ fulfilled the OT during his first coming"?

    Dates and times for each of these please.

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    When did this happen?
    12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

    Or this?
    2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
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    Or this?
    9 He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.

    2 And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.

    3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;

    4 And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

    5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

    6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

    7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

    8 And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?

    9 Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The Lord hath forsaken the earth, and the Lord seeth not.

    10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.

    11 And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.
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    Or this?
    Joel 2
    Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

    2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

    3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

    4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

    5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

    6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.

    7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

    8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

    9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

    10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

    11 And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lordis great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
     
  12. thomasanderson

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    You better reread the following verse. Due to your response I don’t think that you are understanding:

    27 And beginning at Moses and all the prophets, he expounded unto them in all the scriptures the things concerning himself.
     
  13. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    Yes, expounded all things concerning himself. How he would come and end the law, and of his second coming to end the world. But again as you said:"Christ fulfilled the OT during his first coming."
    That means every single thing in the OT is fulfilled and nothing remains to be done in it. So I am still waiting for the dates and times of these events from history. Otherwise all that I have said, about the Lord's kingdom being set up in the valley of the mountain and the two living harvests of the Lord, is perfectly viable.

    Isaiah 66:
    22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.
    23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.
    24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.


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    12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

    Or this?
    2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
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    Or this?
    9 He cried also in mine ears with a loud voice, saying, Cause them that have charge over the city to draw near, even every man with his destroying weapon in his hand.

    2 And, behold, six men came from the way of the higher gate, which lieth toward the north, and every man a slaughter weapon in his hand; and one man among them was clothed with linen, with a writer's inkhorn by his side: and they went in, and stood beside the brasen altar.

    3 And the glory of the God of Israel was gone up from the cherub, whereupon he was, to the threshold of the house. And he called to the man clothed with linen, which had the writer's inkhorn by his side;

    4 And the Lord said unto him, Go through the midst of the city, through the midst of Jerusalem, and set a mark upon the foreheads of the men that sigh and that cry for all the abominations that be done in the midst thereof.

    5 And to the others he said in mine hearing, Go ye after him through the city, and smite: let not your eye spare, neither have ye pity:

    6 Slay utterly old and young, both maids, and little children, and women: but come not near any man upon whom is the mark; and begin at my sanctuary. Then they began at the ancient men which were before the house.

    7 And he said unto them, Defile the house, and fill the courts with the slain: go ye forth. And they went forth, and slew in the city.

    8 And it came to pass, while they were slaying them, and I was left, that I fell upon my face, and cried, and said, Ah Lord God! wilt thou destroy all the residue of Israel in thy pouring out of thy fury upon Jerusalem?

    9 Then said he unto me, The iniquity of the house of Israel and Judah is exceeding great, and the land is full of blood, and the city full of perverseness: for they say, The Lord hath forsaken the earth, and the Lord seeth not.

    10 And as for me also, mine eye shall not spare, neither will I have pity, but I will recompense their way upon their head.

    11 And, behold, the man clothed with linen, which had the inkhorn by his side, reported the matter, saying, I have done as thou hast commanded me.
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    Or this?
    Joel 2
    Blow ye the trumpet in Zion, and sound an alarm in my holy mountain: let all the inhabitants of the land tremble: for the day of the Lord cometh, for it is nigh at hand;

    2 A day of darkness and of gloominess, a day of clouds and of thick darkness, as the morning spread upon the mountains: a great people and a strong; there hath not been ever the like, neither shall be any more after it, even to the years of many generations.

    3 A fire devoureth before them; and behind them a flame burneth: the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yea, and nothing shall escape them.

    4 The appearance of them is as the appearance of horses; and as horsemen, so shall they run.

    5 Like the noise of chariots on the tops of mountains shall they leap, like the noise of a flame of fire that devoureth the stubble, as a strong people set in battle array.

    6 Before their face the people shall be much pained: all faces shall gather blackness.

    7 They shall run like mighty men; they shall climb the wall like men of war; and they shall march every one on his ways, and they shall not break their ranks:

    8 Neither shall one thrust another; they shall walk every one in his path: and when they fall upon the sword, they shall not be wounded.

    9 They shall run to and fro in the city; they shall run upon the wall, they shall climb up upon the houses; they shall enter in at the windows like a thief.

    10 The earth shall quake before them; the heavens shall tremble: the sun and the moon shall be dark, and the stars shall withdraw their shining:

    11 And the Lord shall utter his voice before his army: for his camp is very great: for he is strong that executeth his word: for the day of the Lordis great and very terrible; and who can abide it?
     
  14. StephenDiscipleofYHWH

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    What I am getting at brother is that there is no way the whole OT was completed yet, so many of the things inside must still come to pass.
     
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    But the majority of it is fulfilled. I think you are reading too much into things and building a fairytale future.
     
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    Jesus already set up a kingdom in the valley of the mountain.
     
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    The first and the second living harvest must be gathered into the mountain. It is the anti-typical fulfillment of the feast of tabernacles and the 2 fruit harvests.
    Deborah judges 4:4- 1.week of tabernacles- desire of ages p. 785- lev 23:39 07/15/
    2. good seed Matt 13:24
    3.Christ the anti type of the wave sheaf-lamb wave sheaf 23:11,12- first fruit of the dead
    4. Pentecost = day wave loaves offered Lev 23:16,17 - 50 days later
    5. feast of tabernacles(typical) patriarch and prophet p.541
    6.tare sowing time mat 13:25- Rom 13:11 awake
    7.living harvest firstfruit ez 9:4; Isaiah 66:19; Lev 23:11- 144000
    8.2nd fruits gathered in Isaiah 66:20; 60:1,4,5; rev 18:4- second part of harvest Leviticus 23:39

    Since the Wave sheaf was a figure of Christ and those who rose with him as the first of the first fruits of the dead as the wave loafs were of a figure of the 12 disciples who were full complement of the first fruits of the dead who were gathered after the Resurrection.
     
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    God bless you brother.
     
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    Christ has not yet stood upon it parting into a great valley. We have not seen this take place.
    Zech 14:
    3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle.
    4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
    5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lordmy God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

    Ezekiel 11:23
    23 And the glory of the Lord went up from the midst of the city, and stood upon the mountain which is on the east side of the city.
     
  20. thomasanderson

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    I’ve never heard any of this taught by a commentator or sound biblical teacher.
     
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