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You are not understanding his words I keep showing you what he is saying pairing it with what Daniel is told and what John was shown both are raised in the second resurrection not two separate ones. It is to each of them an entirely different form of resurrection since they are both sent to different places one to everlasting torment and contempt and one to everlasting life and joy, but it is the same resurrection taking place after the first resurrection that takes place before the thousand years are complete.
But this contradicts the most clear scripture on the topic if you turn one hour into 1000 years.
 
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But this contradicts the most clear scripture on the topic if you turn one hour into 1000 years.
I'm not turning it into a thousand years the first resurrection is an entirely different event than the one being spoken of in John and daniel 12:2 and Revelation 20:9-15. What you believe to be two separate resurrections are taking place in a single resurrection but to each person being resurrected it is as if they were two since the outcome for each is completely different. All that is being spoken of here takes place in the hour of Christ's coming.

The resurrection taking place before the thousand years has nothing to do with the second, in that none raised before the thousand years are raised in the second.
 
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I'm not turning it into a thousand years the first resurrection is an entirely different event than the one being spoken of in John and daniel 12:2 and Revelation 20:9-15. What you believe to be two separate resurrections are taking place in a single resurrection but to each person being resurrected it is as if they were two since the outcome for each is completely different. All that is being spoken of here takes place in the hour of Christ's coming.

The resurrection taking place before the thousand years has nothing to do with the second, in that none raised before the thousand years are raised in the second.
Three resurrections?
 
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Three resurrections?
No brother just two, but the 2nd resurrection is different for the righteous than it is for the damned.
In the second resurrection the righteous are raised in a resurrection of salvation.
In the second resurrection the damned are raised in a resurrection of damnation.

It is the same resurrection but to each it is as though it were different since the outcome for each is different.

1 is raised in glory and salvation
1 is raised in damnation and contempt
Both are raised at the same time in the second resurrection
 
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No brother just two, but the 2nd resurrection is different for the righteous than it is for the damned.
In the second resurrection the righteous are raised in a resurrection of salvation.
In the second resurrection the damned are raised in a resurrection of damnation.

It is the same resurrection but to each it is as though it were different since the outcome for each is different.

1 is raised in glory and salvation
1 is raised in damnation and contempt
Both are raised at the same time in the second resurrection
This is true but they both happen in the same hour, not 1000 years apart according to Jesus.
 
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This is true but they both happen in the same hour, not 1000 years apart according to Jesus.
I'm agreeing that the second resurrection as I just described
"No brother just two, but the 2nd resurrection is different for the righteous than it is for the damned.
In the second resurrection the righteous are raised in a resurrection of salvation.
In the second resurrection the damned are raised in a resurrection of damnation.

It is the same resurrection but to each it is as though it were different since the outcome for each is different.

1 is raised in glory and salvation
1 is raised in damnation and contempt
Both are raised at the same time in the second resurrection"

and you just agreed "This is true but they both happen in the same hour," happen at the same time

This is the Second resurrection taking place at the last hour, the same hour, this resurrection is not divided by 1000 years, raising both at the same time, I need you to understand this part first brother since your confusion is coming completely from this one thing.
 
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I'm agreeing that the second resurrection as I just described
"No brother just two, but the 2nd resurrection is different for the righteous than it is for the damned.
In the second resurrection the righteous are raised in a resurrection of salvation.
In the second resurrection the damned are raised in a resurrection of damnation.

It is the same resurrection but to each it is as though it were different since the outcome for each is different.

1 is raised in glory and salvation
1 is raised in damnation and contempt
Both are raised at the same time in the second resurrection"

and you just agreed "This is true but they both happen in the same hour," happen at the same time

This is the Second resurrection taking place at the last hour, the same hour, this resurrection is not divided by 1000 years, raising both at the same time, I need you to understand this part first brother since your confusion is coming completely from this one thing.
So where does the 1000 years fit?
 
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So where does the 1000 years fit?
Before we proceed I just want to make sure that you understand completely what I am speaking of when I say the second resurrection
1. You understand that I am saying the 2nd resurrection happens at the same hour
2. You understand that I am saying the 2nd resurrection is not divided by 1000 years
3. You understand that I am saying the 2nd Resurrection is raising both the living and dead, righteous and unrighteous

Once you say you understand this then I will explain where the thousand years and the other resurrection I had spoken of fits in.
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I'm agreeing that the second resurrection as I just described
"No brother just two, but the 2nd resurrection is different for the righteous than it is for the damned.
In the second resurrection the righteous are raised in a resurrection of salvation.
In the second resurrection the damned are raised in a resurrection of damnation.

It is the same resurrection but to each it is as though it were different since the outcome for each is different.

1 is raised in glory and salvation
1 is raised in damnation and contempt
Both are raised at the same time in the second resurrection

and you just agreed "This is true but they both happen in the same hour," happen at the same time

This is the Second resurrection taking place at the last hour, the same hour, this resurrection is not divided by 1000 years, raising both at the same time,"
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Before we proceed I just want to make sure that you understand completely what I am speaking of when I say the second resurrection
1. You understand that I am saying the 2nd resurrection happens at the same hour
2. You understand that I am saying the 2nd resurrection is not divided by 1000 years
3. You understand that I am saying the 2nd Resurrection is raising both the living and dead, righteous and unrighteous

Once you say you understand this then I will explain where the thousand years and the other resurrection I had spoken of fits in.
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I'm agreeing that the second resurrection as I just described
"No brother just two, but the 2nd resurrection is different for the righteous than it is for the damned.
In the second resurrection the righteous are raised in a resurrection of salvation.
In the second resurrection the damned are raised in a resurrection of damnation.

It is the same resurrection but to each it is as though it were different since the outcome for each is different.

1 is raised in glory and salvation
1 is raised in damnation and contempt
Both are raised at the same time in the second resurrection

and you just agreed "This is true but they both happen in the same hour," happen at the same time

This is the Second resurrection taking place at the last hour, the same hour, this resurrection is not divided by 1000 years, raising both at the same time,"
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But this doesn't fit with Revelation 20 as you perceive it. Two resurrections separated by 1000 years.
 
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But this doesn't fit with Revelation 20 as you perceive it. Two resurrections separated by 1000 years.
Brother as I just said do you understand and agree with the second resurrection as I proposed to you
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As you have already agreed "This is true but they both happen in the same hour,"
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And I have agreed with you "happen at the same time This is the Second resurrection taking place at the last hour, the same hour, this resurrection is not divided by 1000 years, raising both at the same time,"
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You've already said that just looking at the second resurrection as I described you agree with it.
"No brother just two, but the 2nd resurrection is different for the righteous than it is for the damned.
In the second resurrection the righteous are raised in a resurrection of salvation.
In the second resurrection the damned are raised in a resurrection of damnation.

It is the same resurrection but to each it is as though it were different since the outcome for each is different.

1 is raised in glory and salvation
1 is raised in damnation and contempt
Both are raised at the same time in the second resurrection"
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I am not saying for you to agree with, acknowledge, or to admit to understanding all that I have said concerning the thousand years or the 1ST resurrection

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All I need before we proceed is for you to say you understand all that I have said
concerning the 2ND resurrection as I have described it to you and as you have already agreed.
 
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Brother as I just said do you understand and agree with the second resurrection as I proposed to you
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As you have already agreed "This is true but they both happen in the same hour,"
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And I have agreed with you "happen at the same time This is the Second resurrection taking place at the last hour, the same hour, this resurrection is not divided by 1000 years, raising both at the same time,"
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You've already said that just looking at the second resurrection as I described you agree with it.
"No brother just two, but the 2nd resurrection is different for the righteous than it is for the damned.
In the second resurrection the righteous are raised in a resurrection of salvation.
In the second resurrection the damned are raised in a resurrection of damnation.

It is the same resurrection but to each it is as though it were different since the outcome for each is different.

1 is raised in glory and salvation
1 is raised in damnation and contempt
Both are raised at the same time in the second resurrection"
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I am not saying for you to agree with, acknowledge, or to admit to understanding all that I have said concerning the thousand years or the 1ST resurrection

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All I need before we proceed is for you to say you understand all that I have said
concerning the 2ND resurrection as I have described it to you and as you have already agreed.
I think you are missing something not incorporating the 1000 years into your scheme..
 
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I think you are confused.
Since you changed your response to "I think you are missing something not incorporating the 1000 years into your scheme.." here is the thousand years and the 1st resurrection.
1. The First resurrection of the Righteous dead comes after the mark has been put into place, those spoken of in revelation 20:1-7. Those to whom thrones and judgment are given to, they are also those spoken of who cried under the altar to the lord(Revelation 6:9-11). They are the first fruits of the Lord. Risen before any of the living(1 Thess 4:13-16; 1 Cor 15:12-13,20-21,23) except for Christ who rose from the dead(1 Cor 15:20). Every man is risen in their own order(1 Cor 15:23) first the dead in Christ(1 Thess 4:15-16).

These are the dead in Christ who shall rise first before the thousand years(Revelation 20:1-7), the righteous dead who died for Christ those who cried out from under the altar. After the first resurrection the rest of the dead remain in the grave(those not raised in the first resurrection) and are not raised until the thousand years has passed(Revelation 20:5)

There are two resurrections
1st resurrection. The righteous dead who were killed for Christ Before the thousand years
2nd resurrection. The rest of the dead that remained in the grave, those killed after the thousand years, and all the living at the time of Christ's return.
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1. The First resurrection happens all at once at is not divided by time
2. It is only for the righteous dead who died for Christ(Revelation 20:4-6)
3. This takes place before/at the start of the thousand years(Revelation 20:3-6)
4. The rest of dead live not again until the thousand years are finished(Revelation 20:5)

1. the 2nd resurrection happens all at the same hour
2. The 2nd resurrection is not divided by 1000 years
3. the 2nd Resurrection is raising both the living and dead, righteous and unrighteous
4. It takes place after the 1000 years(Revelation 20:3,5,7-14)
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The 2nd resurrection is different for the righteous than it is for the damned.
In the second resurrection the righteous are raised in a resurrection of salvation.
In the second resurrection the damned are raised in a resurrection of damnation.

It is the same resurrection but to each it is as though it were different since the outcome for each is different.

1 person(righteous) is raised in glory and salvation
1 person(unrighteous) is raised in damnation and contempt
Both are raised at the same time in the second resurrection

This is the Second resurrection taking place at the last hour, the same hour, this resurrection is not divided by 1000 years, raising both at the same time,"
 
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Brother I will explain everything concerning the 1st resurrection and the 1000 years that I have already spoken of, once you say you understand what I believe concerning the second resurrection.

Again I believe the second resurrection to be this.
1. the 2nd resurrection happens all at the same hour
2. The 2nd resurrection is not divided by 1000 years
3. the 2nd Resurrection is raising both the living and dead, righteous and unrighteous

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I'm agreeing that the second resurrection as I just described
"No brother just two, but the 2nd resurrection is different for the righteous than it is for the damned.
In the second resurrection the righteous are raised in a resurrection of salvation.
In the second resurrection the damned are raised in a resurrection of damnation.

It is the same resurrection but to each it is as though it were different since the outcome for each is different.

1 is raised in glory and salvation
1 is raised in damnation and contempt
Both are raised at the same time in the second resurrection

and you just agreed "This is true but they both happen in the same hour," happen at the same time

This is the Second resurrection taking place at the last hour, the same hour, this resurrection is not divided by 1000 years, raising both at the same time,"

Does that make sense to you and do understand it without looking at anything I have said about the first resurrection and the 1000 years.
Yes or no.
Are we arguing about the same thing from the same position?
 
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Are we arguing about the same thing from the same position?
Yes brother, without looking at the first resurrection and the 1000 years I spoke of. The 2nd resurrection to me is the last and only resurrection for you. Which is why I want you to understand that I believe the 2nd resurrection I am speaking of is the same as the only resurrection you believe in.

Again this is without looking at anything else I have said about the first resurrection and the 1000 years.

Do you understand brother?
 
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Yes brother, without looking at the first resurrection and the 1000 years I spoke of. The 2nd resurrection to me is the last and only resurrection for you. Which is why I want you to understand that I believe the 2nd resurrection I am speaking of is the same as the only resurrection you believe in.

Again this is without looking at anything else I have said about the first resurrection and the 1000 years.

Do you understand brother?
I think you are changing one hour into 1000 years and denying the clear words of Jesus.
 
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I think you are changing one hour into 1000 years and denying the clear words of Jesus.
No brother, the second resurrection I am speaking of all takes place in the same hour. It is the same one you are speaking of, it is not divided by 1000 years and it is one single resurrection as described here
Again I believe the second resurrection to be this.
1. the 2nd resurrection happens all at the same hour
2. The 2nd resurrection is not divided by 1000 years
3. the 2nd Resurrection is raising both the living and dead, righteous and unrighteous

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I'm agreeing that the second resurrection as I just described
The 2nd resurrection is different for the righteous than it is for the damned.
In the second resurrection the righteous are raised in a resurrection of salvation.
In the second resurrection the damned are raised in a resurrection of damnation.

It is the same resurrection but to each it is as though it were different since the outcome for each is different.

1 is raised in glory and salvation
1 is raised in damnation and contempt
Both are raised at the same time in the second resurrection

and you just agreed "This is true but they both happen in the same hour," happen at the same time

This is the Second resurrection taking place at the last hour, the same hour, this resurrection is not divided by 1000 years, raising both at the same time,"
 
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No brother, the second resurrection I am speaking of all takes place in the same hour. It is the same one you are speaking of, it is not divided by 1000 years and it is one single resurrection as described here
Again I believe the second resurrection to be this.
1. the 2nd resurrection happens all at the same hour
2. The 2nd resurrection is not divided by 1000 years
3. the 2nd Resurrection is raising both the living and dead, righteous and unrighteous

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I'm agreeing that the second resurrection as I just described
The 2nd resurrection is different for the righteous than it is for the damned.
In the second resurrection the righteous are raised in a resurrection of salvation.
In the second resurrection the damned are raised in a resurrection of damnation.

It is the same resurrection but to each it is as though it were different since the outcome for each is different.

1 is raised in glory and salvation
1 is raised in damnation and contempt
Both are raised at the same time in the second resurrection

and you just agreed "This is true but they both happen in the same hour," happen at the same time

This is the Second resurrection taking place at the last hour, the same hour, this resurrection is not divided by 1000 years, raising both at the same time,"

Does that make sense to you and do understand it without looking at anything I have said about the first resurrection and the 1000 years.
If you believe there will be a "millennium" we will never come together on this.
 
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If you believe there will be a "millennium" we will never come together on this.
Also the second resurrection is not divided by 1000 years or 1000 days or divided by time at all since it happens in the same hour.
 
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Also the second resurrection is not divided by 1000 years or 1000 days or divided by time at all since it happens in the same hour.
But the first and second both happen in the same hour according to Jesus.
 
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