Judge Merchan orders Trump sentencing

[FreeinChrist]

Correct and a person convicted of a felony, if that conviction is overturned on appeal can no longer be called a felon.

Right?

But until the appeal is decided, he will be a felon. IF the appeal is denied, he will be a felon. 34 times a felon.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Then on Friday he will be a felon. He is not today.

Just like how he will not be the 47th US President until he is sworn in on Inauguration Day - despite the election being certified already.

You never have provided the rule about it.

A jury found him guilty of 34 felonies. The judge is not overturning the convictions. At the Inaugeration, Trump will be the first president to be a convicted felon.

 

[Always in His Presence]

But until the appeal is decided, he will be a felon. IF the appeal is denied, he will be a felon. 34 times a felon.

Yes I have understood and actually agreed with it everytime you have said it on this thread. Is it three or four? I loose count.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Five times now

 

[Always in His Presence]

Remember the moment the appeal is successful - if it is successful, Trump cannot be called a felon. That would be inflammatory at that point.

Right now it is not because it is accurate

 

[FreeinChrist]

Correct and a person convicted of a felony, if that conviction is overturned on appeal can no longer be called a felon.

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Right?

IF IF IF

Until the 34 convictions are overturned, he is convicted of 34 felonies. He will always be a person who was found guilty by a jury of 34 felonies regardless.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Remember the moment the appeal is successful - if it is successful, Trump cannot be called a felon. That would be inflammatory at that point.

Right now it is not because it is accurate

He will always be a man who was found guilty of 34 felonies by a jury. .
That is 34, not 3 or 4.


Don't hold your breath for the appeal.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Then on Friday he will be a felon. He is not today.

Just like how he will not be the 47th US President until he is sworn in on Inauguration Day - despite the election being certified already.

You are straining gnats.

 

[Zaha Torte]

You never have provided the rule about it.

A jury found him guilty of 34 felonies. The judge is not overturning the convictions. At the Inaugeration, Trump will be the first president to be a convicted felon.

Yes - they said similar things about him being the only POTUS impeached twice.

Even though this sentencing won't change the outcome of the election.

It's all political theatre and lawfare.

 

[Zaha Torte]

You are straining gnats.

Sure - so if Trump were to somehow die (God forbid) before Inauguration Day - you would still consider him to have been the 47th POTUS?

 

[Zaha Torte]

I'm just expressing my doubts about the jurisprudential savvy of an author who lists her areas of expertise as:

Expertise
Boy Bands, Celebrity Couples, Pop Music

Ok - thank you for sharing your opinion - but is she wrong?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Ok - thank you for sharing your opinion - but is she wrong?

AI thinks she's wrong.

AI Overview
A "convicted felon" is someone who has been found guilty of committing a felony crime in a court of law

I'm not an expert in either jurisprudence or boy bands, but this agrees with my layman's understanding of what a convicted felon is. So I think she's wrong, too.

 

[FreeinChrist]

Sure - so if Trump were to somehow die (God forbid) before Inauguration Day - you would still consider him to have been the 47th POTUS?

No, as he was not Inaugurated yet. He is the president elect, not president yet.

 

[Always in His Presence]

IF IF IF

Until the 34 convictions are overturned, he is convicted of 34 felonies. He will always be a person who was found guilty by a jury of 34 felonies regardless.

yes I know! 34. I have agreed now six times. 34 felonies. I get it! My eyesight is good.

He will always be a man who was found guilty of 34 felonies by a jury. .
That is 34, not 3 or 4.


Don't hold your breath for the appeal.

No, he will not. Not if it is overturned.

 

[Pommer]

I didn't think I had to since everyone can look it up for themselves, but here is an MSN article explaining why he is not a felon until he is sentenced.

MSN

Nothing more than this “Nicole Cord-Cruz’s” opinion?
Where did she get her information?

Here’s the relevant rules for courts in the State of New York, point out to me where someone convicted of a felony isn’t a “felon” until after sentenced, thanks.

Here, I’ll even help you out

15. "Judgment." A judgment is comprised of a conviction and the sentence imposed thereon and is completed by imposition and entry of the sentence.

Sentences aren’t passed onto people who aren’t convicted, and while it’s true that the judgement of the court regarding a defendant isn’t completed until sentencing, the person is still convicted, (which is why they’re liable to being sentenced ).

 

[Always in His Presence]

For reference:

A conviction is overturned when a higher court officially declares a previous guilty verdict invalid. This means that the convicted person is no longer considered guilty and the case is usually closed.

A conviction can be overturned when a court finds that a serious legal error occurred during the original trial that affected the outcome.

 

[FreeinChrist]

yes I know! 34. I have agreed now six times. 34 felonies. I get it! My eyesight is good.

No, he will not. Not if it is overturned.

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You can spam that image in big size all you want.

Fact is, Trump was found guilty of 34 felonies by a jury of his peers.


As Judge Merchan has declined to overturn or toss the convictions, it is as I said already.
Even if it is reversed on appeal - which is a big if as it has nothing to do with presidential duties or actions - history will note that he was convicted by a jury. I don't think history will be kind to Trump.

 

[FreeinChrist]

For reference:

A conviction is overturned when a higher court officially declares a previous guilty verdict invalid. This means that the convicted person is no longer considered guilty and the case is usually closed.

A conviction can be overturned when a court finds that a serious legal error occurred during the original trial that affected the outcome.

Wait for the appeal if it happens.

 

[Always in His Presence]

Wait for the appeal if it happens.

That’s is what I have been saying.

 

[Zaha Torte]

AI thinks she's wrong.

AI Overview
A "convicted felon" is someone who has been found guilty of committing a felony crime in a court of law

I'm not an expert in either jurisprudence or boy bands, but this agrees with my layman's understanding of what a convicted felon is. So I think she's wrong, too.

AI will only tell you whatever whoever programmed it would want you to know.