Jude says certain angels committed fornication...

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Sons of God--equals followers of God. Still can't crossbreed with angels, anymore than a giraffe can mate with an elephant and come up with a giraphant.

(Joh 1:12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
(Rom 8:14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
(Php 2:15) That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
(1Jn 3:1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
(1Jn 3:2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
(1Jn 3:2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.


There are 2 other verses where sons of God is used.
(Job 2:1) Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
(Job 38:7) When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

The sons of God came to present themselves before God--A d Satan also came among them. He was not being referred to as a son of God--he came ALSO.
Sons of God shouting for joy??---Hardly the act of fallen angels.

Sons of God=followers of God.

Jesus Christ, the Son of God, was more than a follower of God.
 
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Sons of God--equals followers of God. Still can't crossbreed with angels, anymore than a giraffe can mate with an elephant and come up with a giraphant.

(Joh 1:12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
(Rom 8:14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
(Php 2:15) That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
(1Jn 3:1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
(1Jn 3:2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
(1Jn 3:2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.


There are 2 other verses where sons of God is used.
(Job 2:1) Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
(Job 38:7) When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

The sons of God came to present themselves before God--A d Satan also came among them. He was not being referred to as a son of God--he came ALSO.
Sons of God shouting for joy??---Hardly the act of fallen angels.

Sons of God=followers of God.
No, sons of God as to human beings are those adopted into the One Living Spirit/Christ.
Adam was created as son of God [Luke 3:38], of the human being kind and made male and female to bring forth the living stones -the seed from the loins of Adam- as building stones for the temple not made with hands for the Glory to indwell. Adam was "divorced" from the unity of spirit and fellowship with the LORD of Glory and cast out of Paradise above, to till the earth below, in vanity of being, bound by the first death of separation from the Father, and to await the promise of the Kinsman/Redeemer, who would redeem the Adam back, "for the Glory".
Jesus Christ is the Firstborn of the New Creation of human being kind, and He is God the Word come in flesh to be the Kinsman/Redeemer to the Adam brethren, and whosoever will can be adopted into His One Living Spirit and call Him "Father", for He is the Everlasting Father who ever lives to make intercession for us, right back where Adam got cast down from, at the fall, and when we are made perfect in bodies of adoption we will be right there, with Him, ruling from the heavens over the earth and "Planting the heavens" as the temple not made with hands, for the Glory to indwell.

No, Adam is not "Adam son of God", since the fall.

The oracle of the adoption into the One New Man is given first to Abram in his name change, with the "Hey" [which means "breath/life"] letter inserted in the midst of his name. The Oracle of the adoption into the New Man flesh name is given to Jacob and his seed, to wear as the sign of the promised adoption of the flesh, out of Adam, into "Israel".
Israel was adopted as sons of God when they came out of Egypt, but the adoption was, as Abraham's name change was, "by faith", given for the hope of the glory to come.
So the promise of being adopted sons of God with the Living Spirit of promise began as a sign with Abraham, and continued with Jacob, who had the name of God, the Mighty God, Israel, invoked over Him by YHWH appearing to Him in the ""Angel of the Presence/Face" with whom Jacob wrestled all night, and who Hosea 12: 3-5, says was that "angel/messenger", was YHWH.
God who was to come in flesh has a New Name, a human being name, as Firstborn Son of God, who is the father of all who are adopted sons of God in His One Living Spirit....

The fallen angels are fallen sons of God.
They are chained in Sheol, to await their doom.
They were not the angels of Light/stars, who sang together when the foundations of the world were laid. The fallen angels are stars, but Watchers/judges/princes/rulers in the heavens, over earth. the seven arch/chief angels of the Watchers stand before God and Enoch names them. They are judges. two hundred of the judges descended at Mount Zion in the north of Israel in the days of Jared, and took an oath to curse themselves by not returning to their first habitation, to remain out of heaven above and to take wives of the daughters of Adam so as to get offspring by them.
They did this by genetic manipulation of their wives Adam flesh....and their offspring had what looked like Adam flesh, but the Adam spirit was not in them, and they did things to the DNA to make them grow and strengthen as they grew. Their own evil spirits were multiplied in that flesh....and they taught the mixing of kinds to their wives and sons and continued to mix kinds, before the flood, which is against the Law of God in that He set the boundaries for the kinds....but they mixed them the same as men of so called science are doing the same today, just as they did in the days of Noah.

Mount Zion was ever after called "Mount Hermon/Oath"
 
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No, sons of God as to human beings are those adopted into the One Living Spirit/Christ.
Adam was created as son of God [Luke 3:38], of the human being kind and made male and female to bring forth the living stones -the seed from the loins of Adam- as building stones for the temple not made with hands for the Glory to indwell. Adam was "divorced" from the unity of spirit and fellowship with the LORD of Glory and cast out of Paradise above, to till the earth below, in vanity of being, bound by the first death of separation from the Father, and to await the promise of the Kinsman/Redeemer, who would redeem the Adam back, "for the Glory".
Jesus Christ is the Firstborn of the New Creation of human being kind, and He is God the Word come in flesh to be the Kinsman/Redeemer to the Adam brethren, and whosoever will can be adopted into His One Living Spirit and call Him "Father", for He is the Everlasting Father who ever lives to make intercession for us, right back where Adam got cast down from, at the fall, and when we are made perfect in bodies of adoption we will be right there, with Him, ruling from the heavens over the earth and "Planting the heavens" as the temple not made with hands, for the Glory to indwell.

No, Adam is not "Adam son of God", since the fall.

The oracle of the adoption into the One New Man is given first to Abram in his name change, with the "Hey" [which means "breath/life"] letter inserted in the midst of his name. The Oracle of the adoption into the New Man flesh name is given to Jacob and his seed, to wear as the sign of the promised adoption of the flesh, out of Adam, into "Israel".
Israel was adopted as sons of God when they came out of Egypt, but the adoption was, as Abraham's name change was, "by faith", given for the hope of the glory to come.
So the promise of being adopted sons of God with the Living Spirit of promise began as a sign with Abraham, and continued with Jacob, who had the name of God, the Mighty God, Israel, invoked over Him by YHWH appearing to Him in the ""Angel of the Presence/Face" with whom Jacob wrestled all night, and who Hosea 12: 3-5, says was that "angel/messenger", was YHWH.
God who was to come in flesh has a New Name, a human being name, as Firstborn Son of God, who is the father of all who are adopted sons of God in His One Living Spirit....

The fallen angels are fallen sons of God.
They are chained in Sheol, to await their doom.
They were not the angels of Light/stars, who sang together when the foundations of the world were laid. The fallen angels are stars, but Watchers/judges/princes/rulers in the heavens, over earth. the seven arch/chief angels of the Watchers stand before God and Enoch names them. They are judges. two hundred of the judges descended at Mount Zion in the north of Israel in the days of Jared, and took an oath to curse themselves by not returning to their first habitation, to remain out of heaven above and to take wives of the daughters of Adam so as to get offspring by them.
They did this by genetic manipulation of their wives Adam flesh....and their offspring had what looked like Adam flesh, but the Adam spirit was not in them, and they did things to the DNA to make them grow and strengthen as they grew. Their own evil spirits were multiplied in that flesh....and they taught the mixing of kinds to their wives and sons and continued to mix kinds, before the flood, which is against the Law of God in that He set the boundaries for the kinds....but they mixed them the same as men of so called science are doing the same today, just as they did in the days of Noah.

Mount Zion was ever after called "Mount Hermon/Oath"


We are all free to ignore the word of God and come up with anything we want. I personally just prefer to go by the bible and those verses I quoted say exactly what is meant by sons of God. Of course we are adopted--there is only one begotten Son of Good--Christ. Adopted are still sons and daughters. Adam was formed by God, given the breath of God to become a living soul---He was and will always be the first son of God as Eve was the first daughter. Salvation was already in place for them and everyone. We are His heirs because HE SAYS SO.
Adam and Eve and their offspring I believe were extremely intelligent, much more so than we are today. They had far more perfect brains than ours. I have no doubt they could do scientific experiments with DNA and produce chimeras as they do today. But that is a far cry from angels and humans mating and producing half breeds. The animal crossbreeds that do manage to mate, the off spring can not reproduce. Such as the horse and donkey--mules can't reproduce, even though they are of the same equine species. And by the way---fiction has been around from the beginning---Satan being the author of lies started it in heaven--and through his fiction 1/3 fell. Adam and Eve fell for his lies, so did many of their descendants.
 
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We are all free to ignore the word of God and come up with anything we want. I personally just prefer to go by the bible and those verses I quoted say exactly what is meant by sons of God. Of course we are adopted--there is only one begotten Son of Good--Christ. Adopted are still sons and daughters. Adam was formed by God, given the breath of God to become a living soul---He was and will always be the first son of God as Eve was the first daughter. Salvation was already in place for them and everyone. We are His heirs because HE SAYS SO.
Adam and Eve and their offspring I believe were extremely intelligent, much more so than we are today. They had far more perfect brains than ours. I have no doubt they could do scientific experiments with DNA and produce chimeras as they do today. But that is a far cry from angels and humans mating and producing half breeds. The animal crossbreeds that do manage to mate, the off spring can not reproduce. Such as the horse and donkey--mules can't reproduce, even though they are of the same equine species. And by the way---fiction has been around from the beginning---Satan being the author of lies started it in heaven--and through his fiction 1/3 fell. Adam and Eve fell for his lies, so did many of their descendants.
Adam, the created human being race, was made male and female and named "Adam", by the Creator: Genesis 5:2 We are all -both male and female- the one human being Adam creation.
The firstborn in Adam, our head, from whose loins we have come and are, then, in the Adam being one flesh, one bone, one blood, and one Adam spirit, is dead in spirit and not son of God since the divorce from the unity with the Glory at the fall. We are not sons of God in Adam, and must be born again in Spirit to be sons of God in the Living Spirit of the New Man, Christ come in flesh.
Being born again into the Spirit of adoption, we cry "Abba, Father", and earnestly desire to be clothed with the garments of Salvation, our New human being flesh bodies, made in the image of the Firstborn Son of God, without sin, and incorruptible. If we are born again in Christ, then we get the "New Name" written on the DNA of our New Man flesh, which name and nature is not "Adam", but "Israel". When the body we are clothed with now, in Adam, is elementally dissolved and regenerated, it will no longer be the Adam flesh, but the Israel flesh.
So Adam is not son of God and is divorced from the Spirit of Glory since the fall.
Israel is the Son of God as to the second creation human being race, and our Everlasting Father is the Mighty God, come in flesh, who ever lives to make intercession for us before the Glory above, which is where Adam was, and got cast down, driven out and suffered the corruption of death eating his dust/flesh.
All things will be made new in the regeneration, and restored to what it was to have been in the beginning, but in the New Name, "Israel", which Christ our Salvation put on as the garment of Kinsman/Redeemer to give His Life for our salvation and adoption....


Our first father is dead, and in him, we are dead. We are not sons of God and to be sons of God we must be born anew, from above, by the One Living Spirit of the New Man creation, which is called being born again, and is the adoption as sons of God of the One New Man human being race.
Eve, the Ishyah, built from the bone, flesh, blood by the remnant of the Adam spirit, of the Ish, was the clone of the Ish, with the y canceled and the x doubled.
 
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No Kidding!!---Who'd have guessed, Him being the ONLY begotten Son of God!! --He stands in a class by Himself.
Only begotten son is the position, not the order, as to His human being flesh.
The Hebrew to Septuagint says that Abraham was told by YHWH to take now thy son, thy "monogenes/only begotten", and sacrifice him... Ishmael was Abraham's firstborn son, born to him of a legal "ishyah"/wife. [edit added for clarity] but Isaac was Abraham's "only begotten" son as to position and election. Adam is God's "firstborn" as to order of creation, but not as to election. The "onlybegotten Son" is made higher in position, as the Elect Son.

Only begotten is the position, the Firstborn, as to the human being kind. God is come in a new creation human being flesh body to do the duty of near Kinsman to the dead, created brother, Adam.
 
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Here's an interesting one I came across tonight...

And it happened, when humans began to become numerous upon the land, and they had daughters, the angels of God, having seen the daughters of humans, that they were beautiful, took for themselves women from all whom they picked out. The Lord God said, “My breath will not at all reside in these humans for very long because they are flesh, but their days will be one hundred and twenty years.” Now giants were upon the land in those days, and after that, whenever the sons of God visited the daughters of humans, they fathered children for themselves; those were the giants who were from long ago, the people of renown.

Quoted from The Lexham English Septuagint. 2012 (R. Brannan, K. M. Penner, I. Loken, M. Aubrey & I. Hoogendyk, Ed.) (Ge 6:1–4). Bellingham, WA: Lexham Press.
 
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Jude is antilegomena. Doctrine should only be based on homologoumena, and supported by antilegomena.
That's a kind of odd hermeneutic.

How about this hermenutic...

The sequence of the books of the NT tells us simething about the weightiness afforded to each book by the early church... The Gospels are bedrock, Acts builds on that. Next comes Romans? No. Jerome removed Romans and the rest of Paul from its original place. After Acts came the 7 'catholic' epistles (including Jude). They were deemed catholic becasue they were more generally applicable than Paul since they deal with issues more generally relevant to the churches, whereas Paul tends to deal with idiosyncrasies of individual localities.

So, rather than discounting Jude, Jude was priveledged over Paul and Revelation from the earliest times.
 
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In his epistle Jude said:
6 Angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire", (NASB).
Take a look at how most Bibles translate Jude 1:7. After speaking of the angels who sinned in verse 6, Jude connects and transitions to the sin of the Sodomites. The words Jude uses in his connection and transition are four in the Greek, "ton homoion tropon toutois". In my ESV, these four words are rendered as "likewise", as in the Sodomites were just as the angels who sinned. But "likewise" downplays what Jude says. What Jude says is better translated as "in the same way as these", as in "the same way as these angels the Sodomites indulged in sexual immorality".

The NASB has it right as they actually translate each Greek word, "in the same way as these".
The Pulpit Commentary said:
The sin charged against these cities is stated in express terms to have been the same in kind with that of the angels- the indulgence of passion contrary to nature. They are described as having in like manner with these (that is, surely, in like manner with these angels just referred to; not, as some strangely imagine, with these men who corrupt the Church) given themselves over to fornication, and gone after strange flesh.
 
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Take a look at how most Bibles translate Jude 1:7. After speaking of the angels who sinned in verse 6, Jude connects and transitions to the sin of the Sodomites. The words Jude uses in his connection and transition are four in the Greek, "ton homoion tropon toutois". In my ESV, these four words are rendered as "likewise", as in the Sodomites were just as the angels who sinned. But "likewise" downplays what Jude says. What Jude says is better translated as "in the same way as these", as in "the same way as these angels the Sodomites indulged in sexual immorality".

The NASB has it right as they actually translate each Greek word, "in the same way as these"


No, that is not what it says.
Jud 1:7 Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.
This is not talking about the angels that left their 1st estate. This is talking about Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities about them going after strange flesh.

This was discussing
Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
Jud 1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.
Jud 1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
Jud 1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

He is here reminding them that God, though having delivered the Israelites out of Egypt, afterward killed the unbelievers---and even the angels which sided with Lucifer He has reserved unto judgement day---and that when Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities went after strange flesh He destroyed them too. These men that Jude is talking in verse 4 --ungodly men, he is exhorting God's people to contend with them for if God did not spare those Jude afterwards mentions, He will not spare these ungodly men either.
This is not even close to saying that Angels were fornicating with humans! You are putting to different statements to make one that isn't stated!
 
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Jude 1:6-7, 6"And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire; (NASB)

Take a look at how most Bibles translate Jude 1:7. After speaking of the angels who sinned in verse 6, Jude connects and transitions to the sin of the Sodomites. The words Jude uses in his connection and transition are four in the Greek,


1. Jude never argues that Sodomites were fallen angels
2. Jude never argues that angels were sodomites.
3. But they are two examples of wickedness.

They are described as having in like manner with these (that is, surely, in like manner with these angels just referred to; not, as some strangely imagine, with these men who corrupt the Church

Like manner - they are alike in that both are evil, both are judged by God, condemned by God in Bible history.
 
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And Gen 6 says that the giants - the Nephilim were on earth BEFORE the sons of Seth began to intermarry with the descendents of Cain.

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No, the Word of God does not say "sons of Seth". Moses wrote the "sons of God".

No, the Word of God does not say the "daughters of Cain". Moses wrote "the daughters of Adam".

"Ben Elohym laqach bath Adam" is the transliteration of the Hebrew to English that Moses wrote in Genesis 6.
Moses said they did that before -and after the flood.
Jude says the ones before the flood were chained as a warning of -an example of, the punishment that is to come to all who would do the same after that, of the angels sort.

More angels did do that after the flood, as Moses states in Genesis 6, and the record of them is written in many histories that remain in the writings of many historians in many civilizations, and in the Torah.

"The cutting of roots" stated in Enoch is the gene splitting the fallen watcher angels taught to the sons of men, and they mixed kinds, against God's command, by doing it in the lab; and all flesh was corrupted on earth, as it states in the "Book of the Giants" found in the DSS, which is attributed to Enoch also. They did that evil of mixing the kinds of a certain number of sorts of life.

God said to the fallen watchers through Enoch that they knew the "secrets of life", and taught those secrets to the sons of Adam and their wives, but God said they "knew worthless secrets".
Demonically inspired men of this day are also "cutting roots" in the labs and "mixing kinds".
 
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No, the Word of God does not say "sons of Seth". Moses wrote the "sons of God".
No, the Word of God does not say the "daughters of Cain". Moses wrote "the daughters of Adam".
"Ben Elohym laqach bath Adam" is the transliteration of the Hebrew to English that Moses wrote in Genesis 6.
Moses said they did that before and after the flood.
Jude says the ones before the flood were chained as a warning of -an example of, the punishment that is to come to all who would do the same after that, of the angels sort.

More angels did do that after the flood, as Moses states in Genesis 6, and the record of them is written in many histories that remain in the writings of many historians in many civilizations, and in the Torah.

"The cutting of roots" stated in Enoch is the gene splitting the watcher angels taught to the sons of men, and they mixed kinds, against God's command, by doing it in the lab, and all flesh was corrupted on earth. as it states in the Book of the Giants found in the DSS and attributed to Enoch, also, they did that evil of mixing the kinds of a certain number of sorts of life.

God said to the fallen watchers through Enoch that they knew the "secrets of life", and taught those secrets to the sons of Adam and their wives, but God said they knew worthless secrets".
Demonically inspired men of this day are also "cutting roots" in the labs and "mixing kinds".



[There were giants in the earth] npiliym , from naaphal , "he fell." Those who had apostatized or fallen from the true religion. The Septuagint translate the original word by gigantes, which literally signifies earth-born, and which we, following them, term giants, without having any reference to the meaning of the word, which we generally conceive to signify persons of enormous stature. But the word when properly understood makes a very just disinction between the sons of men and the sons of God; those were the nephilim , the fallen earth-born men, with the animal and devilish mind. These were the sons of God, who were born from above, children of the kingdom, because children of God. Hence, we may suppose originated the different appellatives given to sinners and saints, the former were termed gigantes (Greek), "earth-born", and the latter, hagioi , i.e. saints, persons not of the earth, or separated from the earth.
[The same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.] giboriym , which we render "mighty men", signifies properly conquerors, heroes, from gaabar , "he prevailed, was victorious." and °ansheey hashem , "men of the name," anthroopoi onomastoi , Septuagint; the same as we render men of renown, renominati, twice named, as the word implies, having one name which they derived from their fathers, and another which they acquired by their daring exploits and enterprises.
It may be necessary to remark here that our translators have rendered seven different Hebrew words by the one term giants, viz., nephilim. gibborim, enachim, rephaim, emim, and zamzummim; by which appellatives are probably meant in general persons of great knowledge, piety, courage, wickedness, etc., and not men of enormous stature, as is generally conjectured. (from Adam Clarke's Commentary, Electronic Database. Copyright © 1996, 2003, 2005, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)
http://hermeneutics.stackexchange.c...english-equivalent-for-nephilim-of-genesis-64
 
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The Bible says that the people of God are called the "sons of God"

The Tenach calls no man a son of God, except the nation of Israel, when He brought them out of Egypt, and that name invoked over Jacob and his seed was a sign of the adoption of the flesh which was promised when God invoked the formerly Secret Name of the Son of God [as pr Enoch], over Jacob as a sign of the adoption which is to come, through the Atonement.

The hope of the Church is the adoption of the body, which we wait for. When we who are adopted by the One Living Spirit/Christ, are adopted in the regenerated flesh of us, then the New Man body of our flesh will be named Israel, which is the Name of the New Creation Human being flesh that God the Word donned like a garment when it was prepared brand new, for His donning, in the womb of the virgin, as the prophets spoke of.
Isaiah 49, and 59 tell us about it. Enoch told us about the formerly secret name that was to be revealed to the elect. God revealed it to Jacob, and told us that He is the Kinsman/Redeemer, in Isaiah 59, and that He put on the garment of human being flesh to be Redeemer/Kinsman to our fallen flesh.

Only those who are adopted into the One Living Spirit are now able to be called sons of God, and that is only since The Atonement was completed, and Jesus rose from the dead...if one is born from above then they have the power to call Him "Father".
 
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When the demons in the demonized men/man [two accounts of the same event] of the Gaderenes cried out to the Messiah that they knew Him, and "was He come to torment them before the [appointed] time", those demons were telling the Son of God that it was not the appointed time for their torment, which they knew was written for them by only Enoch, who prophesied from God to them about their doom, and which doom of those bastards is yet to come. No son of Adam is ever called a bastard in the Word of God, but God calls those offspring of the fallen watchers and daughters of Adam "Bastards" -and there will be one called such in the end times, for it is written "A bastard shall dwell in Ashdod".
They prayed Jesus would let them go into the swine, and Jesus did, but then the entire herd of 2,000 swine committed suicide.
The demons know what doom Enoch wrote to them, in chapter 15, as the Word of God, before they were the disembodied spirits of the sons of the fallen watchers.
 
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When the demons in the demonized men/man [two accounts of the same event] of the Gaderenes cried out to the Messiah that they knew Him, and "was He come to torment them before the [appointed] time", those demons were telling the Son of God that it was not the appointed time for their torment, which they knew was written for them

Because "the wages of sin is death" Rom 6:23 Ezek 18:4 (in fact all of ezek 28) and the doom of the demons written in Ezek 28 "fire consumes them" .. turned to ashes "they will be no more"

“By the multitude of your iniquities,
In the unrighteousness of your trade
You profaned your sanctuaries.
Therefore I have brought fire from the midst of you;
It has consumed you,
And I have turned you to ashes on the earth

In the eyes of all who see you.
19 “All who know you among the peoples
Are appalled at you;
You have become terrified
And you will cease to be forever.”’”

but nowhere does it say "fornication" for demons. The thread title is total fiction.
 
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Because "the wages of sin is death" Rom 6:23 Ezek 18:4 (in fact all of ezek 28) and the doom of the demons written in Ezek 28 "fire consumes them" .. turned to ashes "they will be no more"...
You are not rightly bringing contextual passages to the conversation.
Demons do not have bodies to "burn to ashes", and a body is not the spirit of the kind.
Demons are the "bastard wheat" -Darnel/Tares that have already been doomed to their eternal judgment by God, as in Enoch's book, and will stand for no other judgment but will be gathered by the angels off the earth, bundled up, and cast into the Everlasting Fires [=the Kingdom of Darkness, which is the Second Death] as reported in the Book of Enoch; but they have been granted to walk the earth as disembodied evil spirits on earth, serving the satans, who are evil spirits in heaven, and will do so until their doom is consummated at the end of the great Tribulation -which Tribulation Enoch wrote of as "the second consummation of sin on earth".
Enoch wrote to them, from God the Great Glory's own mouth.

in Enoch 15, The Word is given that the angels in heaven do not marry nor give in marriage, [which Jesus referred to when He told the Sadducees they erred, not knowing "SCRIPTURE" =Enoch's writing, on that fact; for those who will be resurrected to the Kingdom of God in their bodies of regenerated flesh will be equal with, companions of, and like, the angels in heaven, as only Enoch reported in his book; but the fallen watchers did do that evil transgressing the eternal commandment and fornicated with "alien flesh" by marrying the daughters of Adam in their flesh bodies that the Watchers, who are "flames of fire in heaven", can appear in on earth when they serve God on the earth below. Those fallen watchers took the oath to remain in those bodies and never return to their own estate/domain in heaven, as flames of fire, but to remain on earth and fornicate with daughters of Adam and getting offspring by gene splitting.

The Book of Enoch, Translated by Robert H. Charles, 1912
Enoch 15 And He answered and said to me, and I heard His voice: "Fear not, Enoch, thou righteous man and scribe of righteousness: approach hither and hear my voice. 2And go, say to the Watchers of heaven, who have sent thee to intercede for them: 'You should intercede for men, and not men for you: 3Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven, and lain with women, and defiled yourselves with the daughters of men and taken to yourselves wives, and done like the children of earth, and begotten giants as your sons? 4And though ye were holy, spiritual, living the eternal life, you have defiled yourselves with the blood of women, and have begotten children with the blood of flesh, and, as the children of men, have lusted after flesh and blood as those also do who die and perish. 5Therefore have I given them wives also that they might impregnate them, and beget children by them, that thus nothing might be wanting to them on earth. 6But you were formerly spiritual, living the eternal life, and immortal for all generations of the world. 7And therefore I have not appointed wives for you; for as for the spiritual ones of the heaven, in heaven is their dwelling."

And then, the doom of their offspring is given to Enoch to write to their fathers who are the fallen watcher angels:

"The Creation of Unclean Spirits

8"And now, the giants, who are produced from the spirits and flesh, shall be called evil spirits upon the earth, and on the earth shall be their dwelling. 9Evil spirits have proceeded from their bodies; because they are born from men and from the holy Watchers is their beginning and primal origin; they shall be evil spirits on earth, and evil spirits shall they be called. 10As for the spirits of heaven, in heaven shall be their dwelling, but as for the spirits of the earth which were born upon the earth, on the earth shall be their dwelling. 11And the spirits of the giants afflict, oppress, destroy, attack, do battle, and work destruction on the earth, and cause trouble: they take no food, but nevertheless hunger and thirst, and cause offences. 12And these spirits shall rise up against the children of men and against the women, because they have proceeded from them." {Top}

16 From the days of the slaughter and destruction and death of the giants, from the souls of whose flesh the spirits, having gone forth, shall destroy without incurring judgement� thus shall they destroy until the day of the consummation, the great judgement in which the age shall be consummated, over the Watchers and the godless, yea, shall be wholly consummated.

2"And now as to the watchers who have sent thee to intercede for them, who had been aforetime in heaven, say to them: 3'You have been in heaven, but all the mysteries had not yet been revealed to you, and you knew worthless ones, and these in the hardness of your hearts you have made known to the women, and through these mysteries women and men work much evil on earth.'

4Say to them therefore: 'You have no peace.'""[/B]
 
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IMO Jude is referring to Genesis 6:

Genesis 6 (NASB)...The Corruption of Mankind

6 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them,
2 that the "sons of God" (angels) saw that the daughters of men were beautiful;
and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.(corruption of God's will)
3 Then the Lord said,
“My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh;
nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim (offspring of angel + woman) were on the earth in those days, and also afterward,
when the "sons of God "(angels) came in to (mated with) the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. (The Nephilim were destoyed in the Flood!)

5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth,
and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved (holy regret) in His heart.
7 The Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land,
from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry (holy regret) that I have made them.”
8 But (ONLY) Noah (+ family) found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

S&G held only corrupt men who had rejected God except for His "chosen people".
 
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IMO Jude is referring to Genesis 6:

Genesis 6 (NASB)...The Corruption of Mankind

6 Now it came about, when men began to multiply on the face of the land, and daughters were born to them,
2 that the "sons of God" (angels) saw that the daughters of men were beautiful;
and they took wives for themselves, whomever they chose.(corruption of God's will)
3 Then the Lord said,
“My Spirit shall not strive with man forever, because he also is flesh;
nevertheless his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”
4 The Nephilim (offspring of angel + woman) were on the earth in those days, and also afterward,
when the "sons of God "(angels) came in to (mated with) the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown. (The Nephilim were destoyed in the Flood!)

5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great on the earth,
and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
6 The Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved (holy regret) in His heart.
7 The Lord said, “I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land,
from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am sorry (holy regret) that I have made them.”
8 But (ONLY) Noah (+ family) found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

S&G held only corrupt men who had rejected God except for His "chosen people".
Good, but the translation of Adam is translated "man", which would clear the confusion of many, so as to see for themselves that the Hebrew word, "Adam", which is from Hebrew adamah/ ground/dust, and dam/blood.
"sons of God married/took daughters of Adam".
"Ben Elohym laqach bath Adam".
Male and female made He them, and called their name "Adam". Genesis 5:2
 
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Good, but the translation of Adam is translated "man", which would clear the confusion of many, so as to see for themselves that the Hebrew word, "Adam", which is from Hebrew adamah/ ground/dust, and dam/blood.
"sons of God married/took daughters of Adam".
"Ben Elohym laqach bath Adam".
Male and female made He them, and called their name "Adam". Genesis 5:2

When Adam began to multiply the sons of God saw the daughters of Adam??

"To as many as received Him - to them He gave the right to be called the sons of God" John 1:12

No aliens from outer space in John 1:12 or in Genesis 6.
 
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