Jude says certain angels committed fornication...

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Jude is a Book of Enoch expert. Yes, he quotes Enoch 1:9, but he also delves into Enoch in 6 other places in his short epistle. That makes a perfect 7 times in which Jude alludes/refers/quotes from Enoch.

First, Jude calls Enoch a prophet despite the fact no explicit prophecy and no book of the prophecies of Enoch can be found in our 66-book Bible in the Western world. Jude alone, among the 40 or so writers of the Bible, mentions Enoch was a prophet. We could reason that Jude received this information about Enoch through direct revelation, however, the most obvious reason Jude makes this claim is found in the Book of Enoch itself which is literally filled with the purported prophecies of Enoch, including the prophecy which Jude quotes. So we can see the Epistle of Jude and the Book of Enoch are in agreement on this point. Enoch is to be numbered among the prophets of old.

Consider too, Jude 1:6 refers to, “angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling”. This is a reference to Enoch 15:3, which says, “Wherefore have ye left the high, holy, and eternal heaven?” In Enoch, the sin of the angels is results primarily from leaving their assigned place.

Further, Jude 1:6, relates these were angels which, “he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day” We see this outlined for us later in the book in Enoch 10:12, “Bind them fast for seventy generations in the valleys of the earth, till the day of their judgment and of their consummation, till the judgment that is for ever and ever is consummated. In those days they shall be led off to the abyss of fire: and to the torment and the prison in which they shall be confined for ever.” In Enoch, the angels who sinned are temporarily bound until the day of judgment, again agreeing with Jude.

Jude also tells us in Jude 1:6, the angels are bound, “...until the judgment of the great day”. The term “great day”, is used for the final day of judgment in Enoch 22:11, 54:6, and 84:4, “Michael, and Gabriel, and Raphael, and Phanuel shall take hold of them on that great day, and cast them on that day into the burning furnace, that the Lord of Spirits may take vengeance on them for their unrighteousness in becoming subject to Satan and leading astray those who dwell on the earth.” (Enoch 54:6). Jude then uses the same term.

In Jude 1:6-7, he says the sin of certain fallen angels was sexual immorality and that Sodom's sin was of the same character as those angels. We read, “Angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.” (NASB) The four Greek words in this passage, τὸν ὅμοιον τρόπον τούτοις, which the translators of the New American Standard Bible render as in the same way as these, connects the “gross immorality” and the going “after strange flesh” of the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, as being of the same character as the sin of certain angels. There’s no mistaking it, Jude believed the sin of these angels was sexual. The sexual nature of the angels' sin is described in Enoch 7, “All the others together with them took unto themselves wives, and each chose for himself one, and they began to go in unto them and to defile themselves with them.” On a side note, one might find it interesting that the men in Genesis 19, with whom the Sodomites were seeking to engage in sexual acts, were angels. Jude, once again agrees with Enoch.

There is another interesting connection in Jude 1:14. That verse oddly calculates Enoch as being the 7th from Adam, “It was also about these men that Enoch, in the seventh generation from Adam, prophesied”. But to reckon it this way, Adam's generation has to be included in the seven generations. Enoch 60:8, reckons the generations in the identical fashion when Noah is quoted saying, “my grandfather was taken up, the seventh from Adam”.

Finally, in verses 14-15, Jude culminates his tribute to the Book of Enoch by quoting the it directly as being the source of a prophecy regarding the 2nd-coming of Jesus Christ, “Behold, the Lord came with many thousands of His holy ones, to execute judgment upon all, and to convict all the ungodly of all their ungodly deeds which they have done in an ungodly way, and of all the harsh things which ungodly sinners have spoken against Him.” The source of this quote can be found in Enoch 1:9.

For those keeping score, we have shown that Jude alludes to and/or quotes from not just Enoch 1:9, but also Enoch 7, 10:12, 15:3, 54:6, and 60:8. Besides this, the Epistle of Jude confirms the underlying thesis of the Book of Enoch, Enoch was considered to be a prophet. In this light then, it is no longer possible to state Jude did not accept the Book of Enoch as a whole. Rather, it appears the Book of Enoch was a favorite resource for the Apostle Jude.

How odd then, the rhetorical acrobatics one has to take in order to remove the clear reference to angelic carnality Jude describes.
 
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<< In Jude verses 6-7, he says the sin of certain fallen angels was sexual immorality and that Sodom's sin was of the same character as those angels. >>

That is a possible conclusion but it is hardly sufficient to be the basis for doctrine.

<< There’s no mistaking it, Jude believed the sin of these angels was sexual. >>

Your opinion is duly noted.

<< How odd then, the rhetorical acrobatics one has to take in order to remove the clear reference to angelic carnality Jude describes.>>

How odd then, the rhetorical acrobatics one has to execute in order to present his speculation as relevant.

I find the topic to be a distraction.
 
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Yes, indeed.
And Jude was a womb brother of the Christ come in flesh, as was James [Jacob, is his Hebrew name]. Jesus, James and Jude all allude to Enoch and outright quote him many times, in using the revelations which Enoch wrote as foundational fact of the truths they believe and speak on.
 
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<< Jesus, James and Jude all allude to Enoch and outright quote him many times >>

Citations please.

<< Enoch wrote as foundational fact of the truths they believe and speak on.>>

Enoch did not write the Book of Enoch. It dates from around 300 BC.

On what "foundational facts" do you imagine Jesus and James based any of their teaching?

The question about angels copulating with humans is the kind of "stuff" that fill the pages of pulp magazines one sees at the Piggy-Wiggly check-out.

It is a distraction; a waste of time.
 
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<< Jesus, James and Jude all allude to Enoch and outright quote him many times >>

Citations please.

<< Enoch wrote as foundational fact of the truths they believe and speak on.>>

Enoch did not write the Book of Enoch. It dates from around 300 BC.

On what "foundational facts" do you imagine Jesus and James based any of their teaching?

The question about angels copulating with humans is the kind of "stuff" that fill the pages of pulp magazines one sees at the Piggy-Wiggly check-out.

It is a distraction; a waste of time.

Good point
 
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You fail to acknowledge what others have previously noted in this thread, is that scripture does confirm the ability for the spiritual/angels to materialize physically as men. Further we have the most obvious example in scripture of the spiritual conceiving in a woman with the Holy Spirit conceived in Marry.

Gen 6 says nothing about the sons of Seth and descendants of Cain.
It does not say Noah was Nephilim.

Gen 6:1-7 describes the wickedness of the time, including the Nephilim. Nephilim has two parts, both fallen and giants. The wickedness is inferred with being placed in the description of wickedness of the time and fallen as in separation from God. Scripture separates the description of righteous Noah from the earlier description of the Nephilim and wickedness. Verse 8 clearly delineates this transition starting the sentence with the word but.

8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.
9 This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he walked faithfully with God. 10 Noah had three sons: Shem, Ham and Japheth.

The Bible says that the people of God are called the "sons of God" -- it never -- ever calls fallen angels "the sons of God".
John 1
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

The bible says angels (even unfallen ones) cannot engage in family relationships with each other much less with other species.
Matt 22
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

The Bible says the Nephilim were on the earth BEFORE the children of Seth intermarry with those of Cain -
Gen 6
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (KJV)

Gen 6
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
 
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Bob Ryan says:
The Bible says that the people of God are called the "sons of God" -- it never -- ever calls fallen angels "the sons of God".

Genesis 6: The Word of God says "sons of God married/took, daughters of Adam"....and had sexual relations with them and giants were born....before the flood, and after the flood.

Moses writes that " ben Elohym laqach bath Adam"...Moses wrote that because Moses had a copy of the Book of Enoch.

"Ben Elohiym" sons of God, are Angels
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.



Job 38:4
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7
[/quote] When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?"[/quote]
 
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Bob Ryan says:

Genesis 6: The Word of God says "sons of God married/took, daughters of Adam"....and had sexual relations with them and giants were born....before the flood, and after the flood.

Moses writes that " ben Elohym laqach bath Adam"...Moses wrote that because Moses had a copy of the Book of Enoch.

"Ben Elohiym" sons of God, are Angels
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.



Job 38:4
“Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth?
Tell Me, if you have understanding.
5
Who determined its measurements?
Surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
6
To what were its foundations fastened?
Or who laid its cornerstone,
7
When the morning stars sang together,
And all the sons of God shouted for joy?"
Adam was "son of God", of the human being kind, and was in fellowship with God and the holy angels and assembled with them in Paradise, when the sons of God came together before the LORD of Glory. that is what we who are born again are redeemed back, out of the dead Adam, for. Our future is in fellowship with the holy angels, united with the Father and the Son, forever.

Adam had it, Adam died, got cast down out of Paradise, and Adam was not son of God since the fall. We must be born again into the One Living Spirit to be called sons of God, and Adam is irrevocably defiled and will never be "Adam, son of God". Jesus came to adopt the Adam creation back to Himself, for Himself, by His blood Atonement, as Kinsman Redeemer, one soul at a time, for whosoever believes and receives His full Pardon and cleansing for sin.
 
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The Bible says that the people of God are called the "sons of God" -- it never -- ever calls fallen angels "the sons of God".
John 1
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Understand that the Old Testament was written in a different language than the New Testament. Understand that sons of God in the Old Testament means something different than sons of God in the New Testament. As yeshuasavedme has pointed out, the only use of "sons of God" in the Old testament is in Job and clearly represents angels.

The bible says angels (even unfallen ones) cannot engage in family relationships with each other much less with other species.
Matt 22
You continue to repeat the same argument so I will repeat Mat 22 mentions only angels in heaven. You persist in ignoring the fact that angels have physically appeared as men on earth. You also ignore Jesus' conception between the Spirit and a woman.

The Bible says the Nephilim were on the earth BEFORE the children of Seth intermarry with those of Cain -
Gen 6
4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown. (KJV)

Gen 6
4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.
Another repeat of what you already said. How about you respond to my quoted argument instead of just repeating the same thing over again? The Nephilim and related sons of Anak were heroes/great warriors. They were adversaries to God and Israel. Gen 6:4 mentions them as an example of wickedness in the time of the flood and God needed to wipe them off of the earth.

I will further question your Sethite view. If Noah's family was of Seth where did the daughters of Cain come from after the flood such that there were Nephilim after the flood also?

It would also be good to understand genetics. A new race of giants does not come from the same descendants, that being Adam. Just because Cain sinned that does not change his genetics. Offspring from Cain, a sinner and Seth, a righteous person does not create a mutated genetic race of giants. If Seth had giant genes than the Jews would be giants, not midgets.
 
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The question about angels copulating with humans is the kind of "stuff" that fill the pages of pulp magazines one sees at the Piggy-Wiggly check-out.

It is a distraction; a waste of time.

By your same "logic" much of the Bible would be stories "filling the pages of pulp magazines one sees at the Piggy-Wiggly check-out." There are many outlandish stories in the Bible. The greatest being that God's Son lowered himself to be born a man, a union of the Spirit and a woman. Just because the you think the Nephilim story unbelievable, doesn't mean it isn't so. There are many unbelievable stories in the Bible.

If you think it a waste of time than stop wasting your time. But if you want to present a reasonable alternate argument of how the genetics of man could be altered such that a race of giants is created, feel free to edify this thread.
 
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Adam was "son of God", of the human being kind, and was in fellowship with God and the holy angels and assembled with them in Paradise, when the sons of God came together before the LORD of Glory. that is what we who are born again are redeemed back, out of the dead Adam, for. Our future is in fellowship with the holy angels, united with the Father and the Son, forever.

Adam had it, Adam died, got cast down out of Paradise, and Adam was not son of God since the fall. We must be born again into the One Living Spirit to be called sons of God, and Adam is irrevocably defiled and will never be "Adam, son of God". Jesus came to adopt the Adam creation back to Himself, for Himself, by His blood Atonement, as Kinsman Redeemer, one soul at a time, for whosoever believes and receives His full Pardon and cleansing for sin.
When Adam was "son of God" of the human being kind, and dwelt in Paradise in the third heaven, and earth and heaven were in unity and Adam reigned over earth, he walked among the congregation of the Mighty God, and was a son of God, a prince with them.

In Psalm 82, in the original Hebrew, it is written that the LORD, standing in the midst of congregation of/assembly of the Elohym/sons of God/angels warned them to do justice over the earth over which they are set, as Watchers, or else they will die like Adam, and fall/naphal, like [Adam] the one prince did.
We are all "Adam", as to our kind, and spring from the firstborn son of God of the human being kind, who is dead in spirit and flesh of corruption since the fall, when he was cast down/driven out/divorced, from the unity of fellowship of spirit with God and the holy angels in paradise.
Jesus is God the Word, the Son of Man in heaven, second Person in the Trinity, who put on the garment/flesh body of Kinsman/Redeemer to the Adam, which body was prepared for His donning of it in the womb of the virgin; and then, which is the New Man flesh body not named "Adam", but "Israel, Son of God" of the human being kind, and Firstborn Son of God as to His human flesh, and in that flesh, He is the Everlasting Father of the New Creation. To be His son one must be adopted into His One Living Spirit, and then we cry "Abba Father", by that Spirit of adoption.
Until we are adopted/born again into His One Living Spirit, we cannot cry "Abba, Father", to Him. No one can call Him LORD but by that Spirit in them, and no one is His son, therefor son of God, unless they are born again, into His One Living Spirit, out of the old man spirit, the Adam nature of our being....we await the adoption of the flesh to be perfected, and to ascend to our home in Paradise, to rule and reign with our Firstborn, forever, and to "Plant the heavens"....that is all in Scripture.

Rom 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:
And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.
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Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
 
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genesis chapter 6 talks of the Nephilim the children of the sons of heaven and the daughters of earth
some people think it means the sons of seth and the daughters of cain
but i think it means the children of angels and humans

I've always found this verse interesting:

These are the generations [Heb: decendents, geneology] of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations [different Heb: period, age, generation, revolution of time] , and Noah walked with God (Genesis 6:9).

It's this second Hebrew word translated "generations" that peaks my interest. For if this was an attempt by the author to refer to that quality which produces good children (DNA), could this verse be telling us that the angel/human female relationships of verses 1 & 2 had corrupted the human species? And this meant that God had to destroy all other humans, while Noah's (righteous) family was the only one left with purely human DNA? I know that's pretty a weird idea, but so is the idea of angels having sex with human women.

However, what if this angelic sin went even further. Look at this:

Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence. God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth (Genesis 6:11-12).

So could this suggest that the angels (demons) also [somehow] corrupted the DNA in all animals? I know this sounds bizarre, but how else could "all flesh" become contaminated (the Hebrew means ruined, marred, spoiled)? Certainly these angelic beings were smart enough to understand and tinker with DNA. And they surely were rebelling against all that God wanted them to do.

So could this explain the many now extinct, bizarre life forms such as dinosaurs? And if this was the explanation (and I'm not adamantly stating it is), then could this not mean the earth really is just 6,000 years old?

I admit that this is a very weird theory; nevertheless I ask that all of you go easy on me :amen:
 
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I've always found this verse interesting:

These are the generations [Heb: decendents, geneology] of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations [different Heb: period, age, generation, revolution of time] , and Noah walked with God (Genesis 6:9).

It's this second Hebrew word translated "generations" that peaks my interest. For if this was an attempt by the author to refer to that quality which produces good children (DNA), could this verse be telling us that the angel/human female relationships of verses 1 & 2 had corrupted the human species? And this meant that God had to destroy all other humans, while Noah's (righteous) family was the only one left with purely human DNA? I know that's pretty a weird idea, but so is the idea of angels having sex with human women.

However, what if this angelic sin went even further. Look at this:

Now the earth was corrupt in the sight of God, and the earth was filled with violence. God looked on the earth, and behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted their way upon the earth (Genesis 6:11-12).

So could this suggest that the angels (demons) also [somehow] corrupted the DNA in all animals? I know this sounds bizarre, but how else could "all flesh" become contaminated (the Hebrew means ruined, marred, spoiled)? Certainly these angelic beings were smart enough to understand and tinker with DNA. And they surely were rebelling against all that God wanted them to do.

So could this explain the many now extinct, bizarre life forms such as dinosaurs? And if this was the explanation (and I'm not adamantly stating it is), then could this not mean the earth really is just 6,000 years old?

I admit that this is a very weird theory; nevertheless I ask that all of you go easy on me :amen:
Yes, the flesh of earth was corrupted, in that the fallen angels taught the Adam creation the "secrets of plants" =life, DNA, which they wre struggling to discover. God told [edit] Enoch to write to them that those secrets were "worthless", and there was so much more they did not know....
In the Dead Sea Scrolls, the Book of Giants is said to be also written by Enoch, and it is plain that the wicked fallen ones taught the mixture of kinds, and messed with fowl, fish, beasts of earth, and creeping things, besides the Adam race.
This is also confirmed in the history book of Jasher.
Also, if man would have repented God would not have sent the flood, and repentant man would have had the means to clean it all up....as David did, in Canaan.
In the Bible, there is the "lion-el", a lion mixed with one of the "el" and a monster. it is noted that a certain man killed two of them on a certain day, in Moab.
2Sa 23:20 And Benaiah the son of Jehoiada, the son of a valiant man, of Kabzeel, who had done many acts, he slew two lion-el of Moab:

Moab was esp the home of mixed monsters, and in the Bible they are named "terrors", "Ym". The translators did not know the meaning of the word and made up a word, and that was because they had lost the histories.


Gen 14:5 And in the fourteenth year came Chedorlaomer, and the kings that were with him, and smote the Rephaims in Ashteroth Karnaim, and the Zuzims in Ham, and the Emims in Shaveh Kiriathaim,
Emims is "terrors -think "nightmares"", and in Gen 36:24, Moses writes about Anah who found the YeMin in the wilderness....the translators had no clue to the "terrors"...

And these are the children of Zibeon; both Ajah, and Anah: this was that Anah that found the יֵמִים in the wilderness, as he fed the asses of Zibeon his father.
But the Book of Jasher wrote that Anah found terrors, Yemin/m" in the wilderness of Moab....
Jasher 36:28 -35
"And the sons of Shobal were Alvan, Manahath, Ebal, Shepho, and Onam, and the sons of Zibeon were Ajah, and Anah, this was that Anah who found the Yemim in the wilderness when he fed the asses of Zibeon his father.
And there was a day that he brought them to one of the deserts on the sea shore, opposite the wilderness of the people, and whilst he was feeding them, behold a very heavy storm came from the other side of the sea and rested upon the asses that were feeding there, and they all stood still. And afterward about one hundred and twenty great and terrible animals came out from the wilderness at the other side of the sea, and they all came to the place where the asses were, and they placed themselves there. And those animals, from their middle downward, were in the shape of the children of men, and from their middle upward, some had the likeness of bears, and some the likeness of the keephas, with tails behind them from between their shoulders reaching down to the earth, like the tails of the ducheephath, and these animals came and mounted and rode upon these asses, and led them away, and they went away unto this day.
And one of these animals approached Anah and smote him with his tail, and then fled from that place.
And when he saw this work he was exceedingly afraid of his life, and he fled and escaped to the city.
And he related to his sons and brothers all that had happened to him, and many men went to seek the asses but could not find them, and Anah and his brothers went no more to that place from that day following, for they were greatly afraid of their lives.


Noah had siblings and cousins and so on and so forth. His sons wives were of the descent of Methuselah, but before the flood came, and because mankind as a whole did not repent, then only Noah and his family were chosen to go on the Ark to keep God's plan going....the rest who were righteous and uncorrupted in flesh, died, before the flood, so that they did not see the evil that was to come, therefore the Scripture:

Isa 57:1 The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart: and merciful men are taken away, none considering that the righteous is taken away from the evil to come.
The Septuagint of old translated the word as what it is, "Yemim"., but modern translators have no clues, having lost history, or ignoring history.
 
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Sons of God= followers of God, daughters of men= women who did not follow God.---That is all. God dictated this---"after its kind"---it is not possible for humans to mate with angels and have children, they are not our kind. We are made in the image of God--they are not.
Giants were born because of genetics--nothing more--just as there are giants today in comparison to the average--there are very short people now--only 3 feet and even less---there are those that are over 7 feet---there were short people back then, and there were giants---doesn't make them any less human. It does say:
(Gen 6:4) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.
(Num 16:2) And they rose up before Moses, with certain of the children of Israel, two hundred and fifty princes of the assembly, famous in the congregation, men of renown:

Men of renown---not half breed fallen angels. Of course angels can fall--they can sin--by disobeying God, by turning from Him, which is what the 1/3 of the angels did, followed Lucifer/Satan instead of God and turned on God causing war and their being cast out of heaven. Again, what makes anyone think that angels were made to procreate when they were always referred to as male and all mentioned have male names and they do not marry. God doesn't make the unnecessary--they wouldn't need procreative "equipment". They have taken the physical "appearance" of humans--that in no way means they became human anymore than Satan became an actual snake to deceive Eve--he impersonates, he can not create. Men wanted to have sex with the angels that came to Sodom---that is the men, the angels did not want to have sex with them--nor could they. Angels were created to be messengers---that is what their name means. They were never told to go forth and multiply. Just because someone way back when decided they were interbreeding with humans, doesn't mean they were right. There were people who believed wrong things, that is why they are not in the bible. It does not follow what the bible writers wrote, nor the character of God to allow His creations to mar his image. After it's kind makes it impossible.
 
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Sons of God= followers of God, daughters of men= women who did not follow God.---That is all. God dictated this---"after its kind"---it is not possible for humans to mate with angels and have children, they are not our kind. We are made in the image of God--they are not.
Giants were born because of genetics--nothing more--just as there are giants today in comparison to the average--there are very short people now--only 3 feet and even less---there are those that are over 7 feet---there were short people back then, and there were giants---doesn't make them any less human. It does say:
(Gen 6:4) There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

The three beings who appeared before Abraham were called "eesh" (men), but were not men in the sense of humans.
 
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Sons of God--equals followers of God. Still can't crossbreed with angels, anymore than a giraffe can mate with an elephant and come up with a giraphant.

(Joh 1:12) But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
(Rom 8:14) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.
(Php 2:15) That ye may be blameless and harmless, the sons of God, without rebuke, in the midst of a crooked and perverse nation, among whom ye shine as lights in the world;
(1Jn 3:1) Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.
(1Jn 3:2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
(1Jn 3:2) Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.


There are 2 other verses where sons of God is used.
(Job 2:1) Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
(Job 38:7) When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

The sons of God came to present themselves before God--A d Satan also came among them. He was not being referred to as a son of God--he came ALSO.
Sons of God shouting for joy??---Hardly the act of fallen angels.

Sons of God=followers of God.
 
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Jude 1:6-7, 6"And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day, 7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.&#8221; (NASB)

Take a look at how most Bibles translate Jude 1:7. After speaking of the angels who sinned in verse 6, Jude connects and transitions to the sin of the Sodomites. The words Jude uses in his connection and transition are four in the Greek, "&#964;&#8056;&#957; &#8005;&#956;&#959;&#953;&#959;&#957; &#964;&#961;&#972;&#960;&#959;&#957; &#964;&#959;&#973;&#964;&#959;&#953;&#962;". In my ESV, these four words are rendered as "likewise", as in the Sodomites were just as the angels who sinned. "Likewise" downplays what Jude says. What Jude says is better translated as &#8220;in the same way as these&#8221;, as in "the same way as these angels the Sodomites indulged in sexual immorality".

The NASB has it right as they actually translate each Greek word; "&#964;&#8056;&#957; &#8005;&#956;&#959;&#953;&#959;&#957; &#964;&#961;&#972;&#960;&#959;&#957; &#964;&#959;&#973;&#964;&#959;&#953;&#962;" reads as, "in the same way as these".

From the Pulpit Commentary:

&#8220;The sin charged against these cities is stated in express terms to have been the same in kind with that of the angels- the indulgence of passion contrary to nature. They are described as having in like manner with these (that is, surely, in like manner with these angels just referred to; not, as some strangely imagine, with these men who corrupt the Church) given themselves over to fornication, and gone after strange flesh.&#8221;

St. Jude talks about the spiritual iniquity/lawlessness, while the sex crimes are secondary appearing as a result of it, that is why adam and eve were not ashamed at first when they had sex life/made love together in the Garden of Eden, then they turned out to be ashamed only when they began committing spiritual iniquity/lawlessness in the from of occultism/esoterism, because they defiled themselves so

the ungodly angels that St Jude points out are humans(spiritual servants/workers) who had committed spiritual iniquity/lawlessness, because they had exercised/practiced the faith without keeping its holy law that the true God declares

the biblical word "fornication" has a special meaning primarily in reference to the spiritual iniquity/lawlessness, that is why one of the meanings of the word "πορνεία"(inappropriate contenteia, Strong's G4202) is "metaph. the worship of idols, of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols"

Blessings
 
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