Judas - Forgiven or Not?

[sentipente]

Do you have scripture to back up your statement?

I have common sense. I don't have scripture for most of the things I do.

 

[StormyOne]

Suicide victims often are religious but have mental illnesses that makes their lives miserable. The Devil uses sorrow and mental illnesses to trick people into committing suicide.

sometimes, not always, though I understand your point....

 

[mva1985]

Are you questioning the accuracy and reliability of the bible?

Now that is a great question.

 

[StormyOne]

Now that is a great question.

because?

 

[mva1985]

I do not question the accuracy of the Bible though.

Praise the Lord for that!! I mean that sincerely.

 

[djconklin]

I think op meant to quote Matt 27:3&4.

3 Then Judas, which had betrayed him, when he saw that he was condemned, repented himself, and brought again the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and elders,
4 Saying, I have sinned in that I have betrayed the innocent blood. And they said, What is that to us? see thou to that.

This is where the Christiandom of today is: a perpetual state of coming to the cross: so logically according to this brand of christianity, Judah must have been forgiven, right? Then how else could they justify their teaching?

In the Greek the word translated as "repented" isn't the usual "metanoia" but "metameletheis" which simply means "to be sorry" or "to regret." There was no repentance for sin. He was just sorry for the result. He expected Jesus to free himself as He had done before. He was looking for a great role in an earthly kingdom and when he saw that was not to be he was "sorry" and went out and hanged himself.

 

[djconklin]

Originally Posted by TrustAndObey
Yes, Jesus is God. God the Son.

So if Jesus is God and God cannot be killed, what happened?

Jesus was God incarnate--so He could be killed.

 

[StormyOne]

Praise the Lord for that!! I mean that sincerely.

the bible written by men cannot be totally accurate about everything... it was not meant to be.... it was meant to accurate about one thing, giving us enough information so that we would believe....

John 20:30-31 And truly Jesus did many other signs in the presence of His disciples, which are not written in this book. (31) But these are written so that you might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believing you might have life in His name.

Anything more and you are asking the bible to do something it was not written for...

 

[StormyOne]

Jesus was God incarnate--so He could be killed.

So then Jesus wasn't God?

 

[sentipente]

Are you questioning the accuracy and reliability of the bible?

Are you denying historical facts? We can always revise history to fit you.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Lainie,

The humanity of Jesus died on the cross. The divinity did not.

I had a long response typed up, but it's way off-topic, so I'll save it for another thread some time.

I don't disagree however.

 

[mva1985]

In the Greek the word translated as "repented" isn't the usual "metanoia" but "metameletheis" which simply means "to be sorry" or "to regret." There was no repentance for sin. He was just sorry for the result. He expected Jesus to free himself as He had done before. He was looking for a great role in an earthly kingdom and when he saw that was not to be he was "sorry" and went out and hanged himself.

DJ,

Great answer thanks for looking up the Greek for us.

God would have freely forgiven Judas, but he did not seek repentance, therefore he was not forgiven.

 

[djconklin]

Originally Posted by djconklin
Jesus was God incarnate--so He could be killed. {edited}

So then Jesus wasn't God?

See the bold above? Jesus was the God-man, God in man--that's what the word "incarnate" means.

Some pastors are doing an awfully lousy job of training the members.

 

[OntheDL]

Are you denying historical facts? We can always revise history to fit you.

I seem to recall the biblical definition of faith is substance of thing hoped for, evidence of things not seen.

I'm interested to see what historical facts you think you have that proves the bible is inaccurate.

What you have is the Relativism, a New Age thinking where is no absolute truth. If the truth is defined by your own understanding or your common sense, then why can't you save yourself.

 

[djconklin]

DJ,

Great answer thanks for looking up the Greek for us.

God would have freely forgiven Judas, but he did not seek repentance, therefore he was not forgiven.

You're welcome--handy having a good Bible program for that very purpose! BibleWorks 7.0

And your observation is right on.

 

[sentipente]

I seem to recall the biblical definition of faith is substance of thing hoped for, evidence of things not seen.

I'm interested to see what historical facts you think you have that proves the bible is inaccurate.

What you have is the Relativism, a New Age thinking where is no absolute truth. If the truth is defined by your own understanding or your common sense, then why can't you save yourself.

I have no intention of preventing you from knocking down this latest strawman you have erected. Have at it.

 

[mva1985]

Dl,

I think you are on the right track about the relativism, new age thinking and the no absolute truth theory.

 

[sentipente]

Dl,

I think you are on the right track about the relativism, new age thinking and the no absolute truth theory.

Is that the best you guys can do? How pitiful.

 

[OntheDL]

I have no intention of preventing you from knocking down this latest strawman you have erected. Have at it.

Didn't you say I deny the historical facts and make history fit my believes with regard to biblical accuracy. I was hoping maybe you could enlighten or illuminate me with facts that I have overlooked. Any facts?

 

[sentipente]

Didn't you say I deny the historical facts and make history fit my believes with regard to biblical accuracy. I was hoping maybe you could enlighten or illuminate me with facts that I have overlooked. Any facts?

You need to read more closely. The gospels were written decades after the events on which they reported. You can answer your question about Biblical inaccuracy by comparing the gospels. Some arguments are not worth the time.