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Judas - Forgiven or Not?

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In some places I would have to agree with you, but he was an inspired writer of the Bible so his advice could be right on the mark. Paul I'm sure had a much closer walk with the Lord then I do so I would have to defer to him.
Paul also talked about taking good care of your slaves. We don't have slaves anymore because the keeping of slaves is an abomination and is immoral so this does not apply to us today. Unless you could apply it for your boss and his workers. Paul wrote for his day and age. As such, some of his writing must be interpreted differently.
 
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Paul also talked about taking good care of your slaves. We don't have slaves anymore because the keeping of slaves is an abomination and is immoral so this does not apply to us today. Unless you could apply it for your boss and his workers. Paul wrote for his day and age. As such, some of his writing must be interpreted differently.
quite insightful..... please share more.....
 
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Paul also talked about taking good care of your slaves. We don't have slaves anymore because the keeping of slaves is an abomination and is immoral so this does not apply to us today. Unless you could apply it for your boss and his workers. Paul wrote for his day and age. As such, some of his writing must be interpreted differently.
Again, I agree with you. What really needs to be looked for when study the Word are principles that we can apply to our daily lives. Obviously not every single situation is addressed individually in the Bible, but we can search for the principles to apply to our lives.
 
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All right then:) Let's talk about Paul's verses on women speaking in church. It is important to note that at this time in one of the early churches, some of the women were causing trouble by gossiping in church and being irreverant. Thus, Paul said they should be silent and not teach men. It is important to note that much of Paul's verses were about equality between man and woman if you look closely enough, but Paul was still slightly effected by the sexism of the time. It is like something in our society that we accept that people would call bad years from now. Paul never said God forbid that women should speak in church. He said he forbid it. Big difference. Can this verse be applied to us today? sure it can! Some people whenever they go to church gossip and cause trouble. These people should be silent and learn from the gospel.
 
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Again, I agree with you. What really needs to be looked for when study the Word are principles that we can apply to our daily lives. Obviously not every single situation is addressed individually in the Bible, but we can search for the principles to apply to our lives.
I agree with you as well.
 
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Paul said for wives to obey their husbands but he also said that husbands should love their wives as Christ loves the church. If a husband loves his wife, he will listen to her and not treat her badly. There will be equality among them. Husbands will not order their wives around if they love them. Husbands will respect their wives if they love them.
 
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SWEET !!!! Come let us reason together. I am impressed by your age. Keep up the good work.
Thanks man. That line "let us reason together" reminds me of a clip I saw of the movie 300. Of course, I doubt you mean in in the way Xerces meant it in the movie.:D Wow, that was a clusmy sentence.
 
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Back on subject. These things that Paul said are probably one of the most attacked Bible verses by unbelievers. What they don't realize is that you have to see how these Bible verses that Paul wrote applies to modern day life.
 
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Back on subject. These things that Paul said are probably one of the most attacked Bible verses by unbelievers. What they don't realize is that you have to see how these Bible verses that Paul wrote applies to modern day life.
I agree with you there also.
 
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Back on subject. These things that Paul said are probably one of the most attacked Bible verses by unbelievers. What they don't realize is that you have to see how these Bible verses that Paul wrote applies to modern day life.
some apply to life here and now.... we must remember that Paul was writing to specific situations in his time. He was not writing for us here in 2007. Thus we have to figure out what he meant then, after that we can see how it may apply to us here and now....
 
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some of the women were causing trouble by gossiping in church and being irreverant. Thus, Paul said they should be silent and not teach men.

Ask yourself what the first part has to do with teaching men.

Paul was still slightly effected by the sexism of the time.

That's what the gays say about verses he wrote on that subject was well. But, there is no evidence for it.

Paul never said God forbid that women should speak in church. He said he forbid it.

Better approach I think is that when God commissions a woman to be a prophet then she is to speak. As one who is inspired by God to write Paul in essence speaks for God. We are to tread very lightly about dividing up the text into which part we will go by and which part we won't.
 
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Better approach I think is that when God commissions a woman to be a prophet then she is to speak. As one who is inspired by God to write Paul in essence speaks for God. We are to tread very lightly about dividing up the text into which part we will go by and which part we won't.
something tells me you are really serious about this... of course the question is, if God gives the gift, and the men don't believe it, then what?
 
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no there is some southern baptist seeping in to some adventists... you know the part where it is believed and taught that the bible is the infallible, inerrant, word of God.... so tread lightly lest you find yourself burned at the stake....

Actually this was the belief of the protestant churches that came out of Reformation, not just Baptist. The pioneers held this position because their protestant background.
 
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Originally Posted by djconklin
Better approach I think is that when God commissions a woman to be a prophet then she is to speak. As one who is inspired by God to write Paul in essence speaks for God. We are to tread very lightly about dividing up the text into which part we will go by and which part we won't.


something tells me you are really serious about this

I spent 3 years looking into the subject. When I came home frem the seminary my sister handed me a book (C. Raymond Holmes' Tip of the Iceberg) that she said she and the head elder had read and they wanted to know what I thought of it--turned out that neither had actually read the book! It was a fascinating read on a number of counts and that set me off for the next few years. Over 4,000 pages later I can now say that I can rip both sides. I know where the "holes" are. (The goofy squirrel is climbing all over me!)

of course the question is, if God gives the gift, and the men don't believe it, then what?

Then they don't believe in God. Those who seek to find the truth will alawys find it. Those who aren't won't find it even if it is placed directly in front of them.
 
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In some places I would have to agree with you, but he was an inspired writer of the Bible so his advice could be right on the mark. Paul I'm sure had a much closer walk with the Lord then I do so I would have to defer to him.
This doctrine of inspiration we have developed bears no resemblance to what is taught in the Bible. I would hope that my understanding of the Creator is better than Paul's.
 
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