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JOSEPHUS, OLIVET DISCOURSE AND BOOK OF REVELATION

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by LittleLambofJesus, Dec 3, 2018.

Was Josephus a reliable witness to Jerusalem 70ad?

  1. Yes, it appears he was

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  2. I don't think he was

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  3. I have not read anything by him

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  4. Who was Josephus?

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  6. Other

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  7. Josephus was correct concerning the fulfillment of the Olivet Discourse

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  8. Josephus viewed Revelation as mostly fulfilled

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  1. LittleLambofJesus

    LittleLambofJesus Hebrews 2:14.... Pesky Devil, git! Supporter

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    It is not the Temple but the Sanctuary of the Temple containing the Holy and Most Holy Place.
    Those worshiping in it must be Priests. Haven't really looked hard at that.'
    But Temple is never once mentioned in Revelation

    The court outside of the Holy Place would have had the Altar of Sacrifice/Burnt Offerings and was tended to by the Priests for the people's offerings.
    I have a rather unique view that the "Sacrifice" mentioned in Ezekiel could be a reference to that Altar. Just throwing that out there.

    The Court in Revelation 11:2


    Revelation 11:
    1 And was given to me a reed like-as rod saying "rouse! and measure! the Sanctuary<3485> of the God and the Altar[Golden Altar] and those worshiping in it
    2 and the Court/fold<833>[water lavar/Altar of Sacrifice], without of the Sanctuary, be casting-out!<1544> out-side<1854>, and no it thou should be measuring, that it was given to the nations and the holy City they shall be treading/pathsousin <3961> (5692) forty two months
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    Zephaniah 1:7 Be silent in the presence of my Lord Yahweh; For the day of Yahweh is at hand, For Yahweh has prepared a sacrifice; He has invited His guests.
    8 “And it shall be in the day of Yahweh's sacrifice, I will punish the princes and the king’s children, And all such as are clothed with foreign apparel.

    Ezekiel 39:17 " And thou son of adam, thus He says my Lord Yahweh, say thou! to bird of every wing, and to all of beast of the field: 'be assembled ye! and come ye! togethe ye from round about on Sacrifice of Me which I Sacrificing for ye, a great Sacrifice on Mountains of Israel, and ye eat flesh and ye drink blood. 18 Flesh of mighty-ones ye shall eat, and blood of princes of the Land ye shall drink.....

    Hosea 8:13 For the sacrifices of My offerings they sacrifice flesh and eat it,
    But the LORD does not accept them.
    Now He will remember their iniquity and punish their sins.They shall return to Egypt.
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    They were sent to Egypt in 70ad

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    ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM


    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

    Concerning the Temple, our LORD had foretold, particularly, that, notwithstanding their wonderful dimensions, there should "not be left one stone upon another that should not be thrown down ;" and, accordingly, it is recorded, in the Talmud, and by Maimonides, that Terentius Rufus, captain of the army of Titus, absolutely ploughed up the foundations of the Temple with a ploughshare. Now, also, was literally fulfilled that prophecy of Micah- "Therefore shall Zion, for your sakes (i. e. for your wickedness,) be ploughed as a field, and Jerusalem shall become heaps, and the mountain of the LORD's house as the high places of the forest." (Micah iii. 12)///

    There was left standing, also, a small part of the western wall; as a rampart for a garrison, to keep the surrounding country in subjection. Titus now gave orders that those Jews only who resisted should be slain ; but the soldiers, equally void of pity and remorse, slew even the sick and the aged. The robbers and seditious were all punished with death : the tallest and most beautiful youths, together with several of the Jewish nobles were reserved by Titus to grace his triumphal entry into Rome. After this selection, all above the age of seventeen were sent in chains into Egypt, to be employed there as slaves, or distributed throughout the empire to be sacrificed as gladiators in the amphitheatres ; whilst those who were under this age, were exposed to sale.
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  2. timtams

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    There is a claim in early Christian writings that John was a Levitical priest.
     
  3. LittleLambofJesus

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    Great post especially the time statements concerning the 7 Churches.
    Well done.
     
  4. nolidad

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    OK- that is your opinion.

    So what is the mark of the beast that no one could buy or sell unless they had the mark?
    When did the angels travel the world warning people not to take the mark?
    Who were the two witnesses who had fire come out of their mouths?
    When did they die and when did that three day party took place?
    Who are the armies that came across the dried up Euphrates?

    This is your belief so expalin these things. You can be as literal or as allegorical as you wish but explain them.

    Show how and where the seals, bowls and trumpets took place.

    What wasd wormwood?
    When did the beast go after the woman and the church?
    Where did the Jews flee for 3 1/2 years where God had a place for them?

    Please answer these. I have taught Eschatology for over 20 years up to college level. Iff I am so dead wrong- I will need one like you to show me why I have so misunderstood SCripture.
     
  5. nolidad

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    I would have to strongly disagree. He would not have left His father to follow Jesus and deny his course of duty in the temple! Jesus would not have wanted that until after He rose. There is nothing authoritative that says John was a levite.
     
  6. parousia70

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    There are two identifiable "marks" in Revelation.

    The sealing of the 144,000 jews is accomplished by a mark in the forehead in parallel fashion to the MARK of the beast in the forehead. (see Rev. 9:4 and Rev. 7:2-8 and Rev 14:1).

    NOTE: futurists are never consistent on this: if one is physical-literal then shouldn't both MARKS should be seen as physical-literal? Yet just ask a futurist who is the "computer chip manufacturer" today who is producing the "Mark of God," and they have no answer. However, they could speculate all day and night on which technology company is in cahoots with satan to produce his computer implant.

    John for certain didn't have computer chips in mind at all when he wrote the passage. Rather, as in so many other parts of Revelation, he was quoting the Old Testament. The following passages should be carefully examined when discussing "the mark on the forehead or hand" that marks people for doom or salvation:

    Ez. Chapter 9 -- angels mark people for God's destruction of Jerusalem in 6th Century B.C.

    Deut 6:8, Deut 11:18, Exodus 13:9 -- God's marks commanded to be upon the head and hands of his people to show their faithfulness

    John's notions in his vision are related to Old Testament concepts -- not modern day conjectures that the MARK of the beast is to be thought of as some computer product.

    The mark, even if "future" (which it isn't), is not nor could be physical, for "worship" of the beast is part and parcel to having the mark. You can't make somebody worship from their heart something they do not wish to worship from their heart, no matter how many implants, barcodes, tattoos ,etc...you force upon them.

    You must have the mark and worship the beast.

    The mark, therefore, must be spiritual, for only God knows who worships who in their heart.
     
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  7. timtams

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    The quote is from Polycrates, who was bishop of Ephesus in the second century. You can disagree with him, but he nevertheless repeated what he knew, that John had been a priest.
     
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  8. Berean Tim

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    I would add, Who is/was the False Prophet ? I've yet to find a Preterist answer to this.
     
  9. LittleLambofJesus

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    Hello. Revelation is not an easy book for any Christian to comprehend.........

    That aside, I keyed in "false prophet" into a concordance and found only 1 verse outside of Revelation that has the singular "false prophet"

    Acts 13:6
    When they had gone through the whole island as far as Paphos, they found a magician,
    a Jewish false prophet whose name was Bar-Jesus,

    Mat 7:15

    “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.[OC wicked Jewish Rulers]

    Paul warned his followers to beware of the OC Jewish Rulers of the circumcision group"

    Acts 20:29 "For I have-perceived this.
    That shall be entering after the departure of Me, wolves, weighty, into ye,
    no sparing of-the shepherded/flock/poimniou <4168>" ;
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    Isaiah 9:15 shows the Prophet of Israel who teaches lies is the tail:

    Deuteronomy 28:

    1 'And it hath been, if thou dost hearken diligently to the voice of Jehovah thy God,...........
    13 ‘And Yahweh hath given thee for head, and not for tail; and thou hast been only above, and art not beneath,........

    15'And it hath been, if thou dost not hearken unto the voice of Yahweh thy Elohim.... that all these revilings have come upon thee, and overtaken thee:
    44 “He shall lend to you, but you shall not lend to him; he shall be the head, and you shall be the tail.

    Isaiah 9:
    14 Therefore the LORD will cut off head and tail from Israel,
    Palm branch and bulrush in one day.
    15 The elder and honorable, he is the head;
    The prophet who teaches lies, he is the tail.
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    Revelation 12:4
    His tail drew a third of the stars of the heaven and threw them to the land.
    And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born.


    Which appears to be similar to Daniel 8:10

    Daniel 8:10
    And it grew great, even to the host of heaven; and it cast down some of the host and of the stars to the ground, and stamped upon them.

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    This one commentator says it is the 2nd beast, the one from the Land
    [which is interesting as it appears to be a "Jewish" beast:]
    I couldn't cut/paste from his site but here is the link:


    https://davidjeremiah.blog/the-false-prophet-in-the-book-of-revelation/

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    My thread on the 2 Beasts in Revelation:

    Beast from the Sea and from the Land

    This second beast is an earth-born beast. There is no possibility of confusing him with the first beast. They are utterly different. The first is a composite wild jungle beast, the second resembles a lamb, but inwardly bears the nature of a dragon.
    Outwardly he looks like a kinder, gentler, harmless beast, having only two horns, and those of a harmless kind — like the horns of a lamb. Also, he has no crowns on his horns, indicating that he has no political sovereignty. When he speaks, however, he speaks like a dragon; and for all his harmless appearance he is a true therion, a savage, fierce, and cruel brute. When we look at his character and pretensions we find that, bad as the other beast was, there is something here yet more dreadful. The second beast does not accomplish his agenda by brute force; he works deception through signs, wonders, and miracles. The first gives his authority to the second, and the second persuades men everywhere to give respect and pay homage to an image of the first. They are in league and covenant, each aiding and abetting the other.

    I would now draw your attention to the fact that the expression “I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth” is literally in the Greek, “I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth.” John did not say, “I saw a beast come up or ascend as a limited, one-time event, but coming up or ascending — denoting a continuous action. It is on-going. It is constantly being fulfilled. It cannot be bound by, nor does it predict or specify, any actual historical or future event. Instead, the beast is ascending, he is always ascending out of the earth-realm of the soul of man.
    It is impossible to understand this truth of the two beasts unless we can distinguish between the sea, the earth, and the two beasts themselves. The first beast is not the sea-realm itself, but comes up out of the sea of humanity. The second beast is not the earth-realm itself, but comes up out of the earth, out of the soulical nature of man. So we are dealing neither with the wicked, surging masses of humanity nor the moral and religious people who bring a sense of stability to civilization..................
     
  10. Seventh Head

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    The mark of the (second) beast - those of the financial power manifested by the City of London the coat of Arms of which has two dragons (spoke like a dragon) with one horn like a lamb each (it had two horns), linked to the antichrist (called 'dragon' for this link) - is the credit card in the right hand for all the ATM in the world have a right hand card reader.

    So, you are forced to use your right hand to hold it. The mark on the forehead is the pin code number. All what is related to MEMORY is linked to the prefrontal cortex, hence the forehead, both for Satan and God.

    666 is related to 1 kings 10:14 (666 talents of king Solomon, A man). The name of the beast is the BANK NAME on the card, and the number of its name is both the PIN CODE and the 16 DIGITS NUMBER on the bank card...provided by the said bank.
     
  11. LittleLambofJesus

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    Preterist archive just put up the 5 videos of the 1st century Jewish Wars as described by Josephus, which culminated in the famous siege and conquering of the last Jewish stronghold, Masada.
    [tho I have been aware of them for months]

    The Preterist Archive of Realized Eschatology


    The Siege of Jerusalem (70 AD)
    In Four Parts By Invicta Classical Antiquity (Documentaries) 2016-2018
    AUDIO / VIDEO:
    • 2016-2018: Classical Antiquity Documentaries, The Siege of Jerusalem (70 AD)
      1. Romans at the Gates – The Siege of Jerusalem stands out as one of the most brutal examples of Classical Era total war since the fall of Carthage over 200 years earlier! In part 1 we discuss the lead up to the siege as well as the details of the attacking and defending forces.
      2. The Fight for the Walls – The Siege of Jerusalem continues to prove that the Jews are always one step ahead of the Romans with clever tactics and bold attacks! In part 2 we follow the legions as they push through two of the outermost defensive layers and almost face defeat.
      3. Assault on the Antonia Fortress – The Siege of Jerusalem has reached a new stage with the completion of the Roman wall of circumvallation. With this stranglehold in place, Titus now turns his full attention to the assault of the Antonia fortress!
      4. The Destruction of the Second Temple – This documentary takes you through the final climactic days of the siege from the destruction of the Second Temple to the fall of Jerusalem. Yet the Great Jewish Revolt against the Roman Empire and the Roman Legions would still burn on at the fortress of Masada.
      5. Last Stand of the Great Jewish Revolt – In 73 AD Masada, the impregnable mountain fortress in the Judaean desert, stood as the final holdout against the onslaught of Rome’s legions. The siege that followed would mark the final, bloody suppression of the Jewish revolt with an encounter whose awe inspiring remains can still be seen in the desert today!

    "Ye will hear of battles and rumors of battles" 1st century concluding in Judea/Jerusalem 70ad

    Matthew 24:
    6 “And you will hear of battles and rumors of battles. See that you are not troubled; for all these things must come to pass,
    but the end is not yet.
    Mark 13:
    7 “But when you hear of battles and rumors of battles, do not be troubled; for such things must happen,
    but the end is not yet.
    Luke 21:
    9 “But when you hear of battles and commotions/tumults, do not be terrified; for these things must come to pass first,
    but the end is not immediate.”

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    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD
    Proof that Matthew 24 was fully fulfilled in 70 AD!
    Also see:
    Rapture refuted

    "I consider the Prophecy relative to the destruction of the Jewish nation,
    if there were nothing else to support Christianity, as absolutely irresistible."
    (Mr. Erskine's Speech, at the Trial of Williams, for publishing Paine's Age of Reason)


    PREFACE

    History records few events more generally interesting than the destruction of Jerusalem, and the subversion of the Jewish state, by the arms of the Romans. -- Their intimate connexion with the dissolution of the Levitical economy, and the establishment of Christianity in the world ; the striking verification which they afford of so many of the prophecies, both of the Old and New Testament, and the powerful arguments of the divine authority of the Scriptures which are thence derived
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    VISUAL TIMELINE OF THE ROMAN-JEWISH WAR
    Including The Historical Fall of Jerusalem in AD70
    TRACKING THE FIRST JEWISH REVOLT FROM A MILITARY POINT OF VIEW
    POV: Administrative | Factional | Military | Theological


    "..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
    ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM


    CAST OF CHARACTERS: Roman: Emperor Nero | General Vespasian | General Titus | The Roman Army || Jewish: General / Historian Josephus | Factional Leaders in Jerusalem || Administrators of Roman Judea Targets: Jerusalem | Herod's Temple // Maps of the Roman Invasion // Theological Timeline

    CHRONOLOGY IMMEDIATELY SURROUNDING THE WAR

    Stage 1: Murder of James the Just, "Opposition High Priest" ; Irrevocable Split: 62
    Stage 2: General Revolt in Jerusalem ; Zealot Occupation of Masada: August-September 66
    Stage 3: The Campaign of Cestius Gallus and the Defeat of the Twelfth Legion: October-November 66
    Stage 4: End of Collaborative Government, Priesthood ; General Flight: November 66 - March 67
    Part 6: Vespasian Subdues Northern and Western Palestine: December 66 - December 68
    Part 7: Three-way Power Struggle within Jerusalem After Roman Retreat: January 68 - May 70
    Part 8: Romans Breach City Walls and Leave Jerusalem Desolate: May 10 - September 10, 70





     
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    11Then I saw another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb and he spoke as a dragon. 12He exercises all the authority of the first beast in his presence. And he makes the earth and those who dwell in it to worship the first beast, whose fatal wound was healed. 13He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down out of heaven to the earth in the presence of men. 14And he deceives those who dwell on the earth because of the signs which it was given him to perform in the presence of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who had the wound of the sword and has come to life. 15And it was given to him to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast would even speak and cause as many as do not worship the image of the beast to be killed. 16And he causes all, the small and the great, and the rich and the poor, and the free men and the slaves, to be given a mark on their right hand or on their forehead, 17and he provides that no one will be able to buy or to sell, except the one who has the mark, either the name of the beast or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for the number is that of a man; and his number is six hundred and sixty-six.

    In the "greek" wild is only added by translators to distinguish from clean animals. The word "wild" is not in the text. I highlighted the things He does above. If you chose to believe the First Beast is real (Nero). Then, chose to believe the Second Beast is a composite or an allegory it's on you. You have no biblical reason to do so.
     
  13. LittleLambofJesus

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    Hello B T. Please post views/comments about that on this other thread.

    Beast from the Sea and from the Land
     
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    Well we are all priests, but other than this one writing- there is no evidence from history that John was a levite! He would have had a higher position in Jewish culture than a fisherman!
     
  15. nolidad

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    Well lets tackle the last paragraph first.

    "11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon."

    The verb coming is the present active participle which simply connotes simple actrion- not continuous action.

    Teh first beast is the amalgam of Daniels visions, Paul, Jesus, and Johns white horse rider!

    Teh second beast is called the false prophet for he is the third and final part of the counterfeit trinity.

    Father---Satan
    Son---Antichrist
    Holy spirit--- false prophet or lamb with horns.

    Just as the Holy Spirit has a seal for those who belong to teh son, the false prophet has the counterfeit seal for those who belong to the counterfeit son.

    Even JOhn in his epistles names the antichrist as the antichrist, but also said many antichrists would also arise. So we have the one Antichrists and many who are against christ.

    REvelation CAN be a very difficult book to understand. I have studied for over twenty five years! I have also taught this in churches, bible institutes and bible college.

    One here called me a dispensational futurist. I am sure they meant it as a slur, but I shall wear it proudly!

    The antichrist is not an attiude nor is the false prophet an attitude of the soul- they are real individuals.
     
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    I thought all the Hal Lindsey foolishness was dead!

    So every one who holds a credit card or atm card (debit card) are all doomed!

    Rev. 13:
    17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

    18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

    People world wide can buy and sell without a credit or debit card!

    See the number- it is the number of a man!

    REv. 14:
    9 And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive his mark in his forehead, or in his hand,

    10 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:

    11 And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day nor night, who worship the beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

    So whoever has ever owned a debit or credit card is doomed forever according to you! When did the angel announce this globally??????

    Sorry, but no.
     
  17. LittleLambofJesus

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    Agree. There also were no credit cards back in 70ad, however, the denari was.. ;)

    Revelation 6:6 And I hear a voice in midst of the four living-ones saying: "a measure of grain/wheat a denari and three measures of barleys a denari, and the oil and the wine no you should be injuring"."

    1st century Jerusalem and Temple is in Revelation 18. Just work backwards from there and the rest of the Bible will come alive for you........

    Nahum 3:2
    A sound of a Whip
    , and sound of a quaking wheel, and horse galloping, and chariot leaping. A horseman mounting. And blazing sword, and flashing spear,
    and many wounded and mass of corpses and there is no end to bodies.

    John 2:14
    14 and He found in the Temple those selling oxen and sheep and doves, and the money-changers sitting,
    15 and having made a whip of small cords, He put all forth out of the temple, also the sheep, and the oxen; and of the money-changers he poured out the coins, and the tables he overthrew,
    [Nahum 3:2/Reve 18:11-13]

    The Great City/Harlot/Queen Revelation chapts 17-19


    Revelation 18:
    11 And the merchants of the land are lamenting and are mourning over Her, that the cargo of them no-one is buying not-still
    13 and cinnamon and incenses and attars and frankincense and wine and oil and flour and grain and beasts and sheep and of horses and of chariots and of bodies and souls of men.

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    "..probably the greatest single slaughter in ancient history."
    ROMAN SIEGE AND SACK OF JERUSALEM

    The Destruction of Jerusalem - George Peter Holford, 1805AD

    Of the Jews destroyed during the siege, Josephus reckons not less than ONE MILLION AND ONE HUNDRED THOUSAND, to which must be added, above TWO-HUNDRED AND THIRTY-SEVEN THOUSAND who perished in other places, and innumerable multitudes who were swept away by famine, and pestilence, and of which no calculation could be made. Not less than two thousand laid violent hands upon themselves.........
    In executing the command of Titus, relative to the demolition of Jerusalem, the Roman soldiers not only threw down the buildings, but even dug up their foundations, and so completely levelled the whole circuit of the city, that a stranger would scarcely have known that it had ever been inhabited by human beings.
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    Revelation 18:8 Thru this in one day shall be arriving Her blows, death and sorrow and famine. And in fire She shall be utterly burned, that strong Lord the GOD, the One judging Her

    Revelation 19

    17 And I perceived one messenger standing in the sun, and he cries-out in great voice, saying to all the birds, the ones flying in mid-heaven,
    "hither! be ye being gathered<4863:! into the Supper<1173> of the Great God.
    18 That ye may be eating fleshes of kings......[Zeph 1:17/Ezekiel 39:19]
     
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    I would now draw your attention to the fact that the expression “I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth” is literally in the Greek, “I saw another wild beast ascending out of the earth.”
    Above is the quote from your post. Sorry
     
  19. timtams

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    He must have had a pretty high position since he could just waltz into the palace of the high priest whenever he wanted, and he was known to the high priest.
     
  20. nolidad

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    Yes and 66-70 Ad was teh judment in Luke for the unpardonable sin.

    But there are also end time events that Jesus spoke of in Matthew and Luke that were not fulfilled in 66-70 Ad that will be fulfilled in the end.

    Like the antichrist (abomination who makes desolate) standing in the holy place (Titus did not do that)
    7 year covenant with Israel signed by the beast.

    Breaking that covenant halfway through the 7 years.

    Jews fleeing to Petra for 3 1/2 years

    Campaign of armeggedon.

    The seals bowls and trumpets.

    I am asking you as you are the one who is a preterist in our debate!~
     
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