Joseph Prince?

[Ted Lang]

As Christian we need to encourage one another

I'm encouraging people to put God's Word first place... which is what the Holy Spirit is doing, CORRECTING and TEACHING.

Get your teaching from God's Word, so some flashy preacher on TV that is confused on the subject of grace and who teaches some part of the New Covenant do not apply to us today which is wrong as the day is long!

It's obvious this extreme grace thing is making the Body of Christ soft and weak because it is not the full Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Andrea411]

I'm encouraging people to put God's Word first place... which is what the Holy Spirit is doing, CORRECTING and TEACHING.

Get your teaching from God's Word, so some flashy preacher on TV that is confused on the subject of grace and who teaches some part of the New Covenant do not apply to us today which is wrong as the day is long!

It's obvious this extreme grace thing is making the Body of Christ soft and weak because it is not the full Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 3:17-19
Then Christ will make his home in your hearts as you trust in him. Your roots will grow down into God’s love and keep you strong. And may you have the power to understand, as all God’s people should, how wide, how long, how high, and how deep his love is. May you experience the love of Christ, though it is too great to understand fully. Then you will be made complete with all the fullness of life and power that comes from God.

 

[Gunny]

Well said. I appreciate it when he says to keep the eyes focused on Jesus, not men or doctrines or negativity.

Amen and Amen, my brother in Christ!

Abide and behold!

 

[Gunny]

It's obvious this extreme grace thing is making the Body of Christ soft and weak because it is not the full Gospel of Jesus Christ.

In my humble opinion in the western world (USA) that which is rendering the Body of Christ (Jesus's bride) soft/weak is dullness, passivity and being lukewarm.

Jesus (The Master) is seeking those disciples that are all in dying to self; including but not limited to materialism and driven to prove our fuel-prided end all/be all opinions on the matters of God. So much of what we engage in is fueled with various forms of ugly pride.

I state these things humbley under the audience of my Lord and Savior and the indwelling Holy Spirit who has been answering my prayers for several years to have me remain on the potter's wheel and be placed through the refiner's fire.

In my humble opinion I believe that the Lord grieves over His sons and daughters (disciples of Jesus Christ) that engage in derision/division over doctrinal/theological matters (ad infinitum) VS. being about the Father's business of winning souls.

 

[Ted Lang]

In my humble opinion I believe that the Lord grieves over His sons and daughters (disciples of Jesus Christ) that engage in derision/division over doctrinal/theological matters (ad infinitum) VS. being about the Father's business of winning souls.

He grieves even more at false teaching that enables people to sin more freely because they believe they have no responsibility to walk with God causing them to think they that no matter how they live... they are saved.

Extreme grace doctrine leads to dullness, passivity and being lukewarm. It's all part of the end time falling away and heaping teachers to one's self having itching ears cause they teach not the full Gospel of Jesus Christ.

In the end we will seer that this partial gospel is nothing more than seeker sensitive material that tickles people's ears.

 

[Norah63]

I have heard Joseph Prince handle this issue you speak of Ted. He says, they say I allow for sin, not so. At least thats how I heard it. My leading tells me that
Grace in a life reaches into the heart and mind. A changed heart is always wanting to serve the Lord. Not run from Him.
If a person is just "thinking" their saved because someone says so, then they are disceving their own selves. And they know it, cause salvation is not a head trip.
Sin is a turning away, missing out on goodness. Its like hitting your thumb with the hammer. Not good! Avoid at all cost.
And yes tell others also If the calling is on you.
Unity in love is not being soft on sin, imho.

 

[Ted Lang]

Nobody is saying he comes right out and says it's OK to sin, and he doesn't appear to be in favor of living in sin... that is not the issue and by claiming it is, his followers are attempting to refocus the conversation.

The issue is that he does teach that after one gets born again, one never needs to do what 1 John 1:9 and Proverbs 28:13 says to do because He teaches that the Blood of Jesus has already been applied to all future sin... no further involvement is necessary on our behalf as though seedtime and harvest was suspended when we got saved which is false teaching because it has NOT according to Galatians 6:7-9 which was written to Christians (as was 1 John 1:9) and clearly states that if we sow to the flesh (when we fall short of God's Glory which we all do) we shall reap corruption.

By engaging Jesus Christ in His High Priestly ministry and coming to Him to confess our sin and receive cleansing from all unrighteousness by His Blood, we are sowing to the Spirit and reaping life everlasting. If we don't, then that sin is still on our record because we refused to come to Him that we might have life and keep our fellowship with Him in good standing thru His Blood.

It's as though Mr Prince and his followers do not believe in seedtime harvest which was taught by Jesus. Jesus said why do you call me Lord and do not what I say (Luke 6:46) and this is considered by extreme grace teachers to be "behavioral modification" so they teach that Jesus was talking to the Jews of His day and not to us today... and in teaching this they are explaining away the teachings of Jesus Himself.

God expects us to turn away from this world's wisdom, walking in the flesh, and expect us to die to self so we take up His Cross and follow Him daily. Extreme grace calls this "being under the law" because they have been deceived into thinking actually walking with God and separating thyself from the world is not a requirement for salvation. It's just like the old Baptists once saved always saved doctrine which is unscriptural.

This explains why those that engage in the works of the flesh and claim to be Christians often cite Mr Prince and other extreme grace teachers as justification for their sin.

So, whether intentional or not, extreme grace leads to being cold towards the Lord and is just a step shy of full blown universalism since after all... Jesus paid for the sins of the world right? No relationship with God is really necessary is it?

This is the view of more and more followers of extreme grace as it is not the full Gospel of Jesus Christ.

 

[Andrea411]

My thought is that people who are afraid of 'extreme grace' often just don't know the power of God to change hearts. It's the love of God that pulls us toward Him. Yes, the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom but the change that occurs in the human heart is a holy work, that literally transforms us from one person to another.
Forgiveness of sin produces reverence not a need to sin. I know Calvinists and legalists can't understand that bc they think that we are supposed to be 'good' but we are not, we are forgiven.
When I stopped trying to be good and just said, Lord I'm so lousy but this is all I have to offer... that was when the desire to sin fell away. It helps being older, less temptations and being more mature tends to keep a person out of trouble but that wasn't what changed in me... it was literally a transformation.
I struggle in some areas but they are the inward sins, anger, pride, rebellion those things people can't see that the Lord reveals after you get past the outward stuff. But trying to get rid of them on my own is useless.... and produces pride. Knowing that righteousness is a gift produces gratitude.

God bless, andrea

 

[Ted Lang]

My thought is that people who are afraid of 'extreme grace' often just don't know the power of God to change hearts.

My thought is that people that embrace extreme grace aren't studying the entire New Covenant... they opt for just parts of it.

If folk want to hide their sin by refusing to confess and receive forgiveness when the Holy Spirit points out wrong doing and refuse God's correction, they will reap the results of that misguided decision... just a polite warning to heed what God teaches in His Word.

I know, I know... you folk think the Holy Spirit never ever hands out any correction cause that would be "negative". There's nothing like staying clean, unless of course you folk think you have no sin now

 

[Gunny]

Lord, I'm thankful that if I have an obsession that consumes me it is to know you more so as to be used by you more.

I wonder if when Jesus healed multitudes of sinners that possibly the Pharisees and Saddducees thought the following: Why is he healing sinners? Was Jesus demonstrating hyper grace on that which God created in His own image-men and women desperately needing a touch from the Master.

The western world (USA) has become so consumed with judgments that ultimately will belong to God and God alone vs.

"He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the good news to all creation".

Mark 16:15
NIV

 

[Gunny]

My thought is that people who are afraid of 'extreme grace' often just don't know the power of God to change hearts. It's the love of God that pulls us toward Him. Yes, the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom but the change that occurs in the human heart is a holy work, that literally transforms us from one person to another.
Forgiveness of sin produces reverence not a need to sin. I know Calvinists and legalists can't understand that bc they think that we are supposed to be 'good' but we are not, we are forgiven.
When I stopped trying to be good and just said, Lord I'm so lousy but this is all I have to offer... that was when the desire to sin fell away. It helps being older, less temptations and being more mature tends to keep a person out of trouble but that wasn't what changed in me... it was literally a transformation.
I struggle in some areas but they are the inward sins, anger, pride, rebellion those things people can't see that the Lord reveals after you get past the outward stuff. But trying to get rid of them on my own is useless.... and produces pride. Knowing that righteousness is a gift produces gratitude.

God bless, andrea

Amen and Amen!!!

My sister in Christ, the Holy Spirit surely gave you the unction to write.

When we become men and women after God's own heart we truly are transformed (glory to glory).

As a follower of Jesus Christ, I am a love sick lover of the lover of my soul!

In Christ,

Gunny/James

 

[Ted Lang]

Jesus demonstrating hyper grace on that which God created in His own image

Yes, and He also counseled people to not sin and to turn from their wicked ways unto God which we don't hear much about to day since most preachers are just a step shy of universalism.

Let us not forget that this is part of the Gospel of Jesus Christ also...

So, what do you guys think of universalism?
Do you believe ALL men will be saved in the end?

 

[simplegospel1144]

My thought is that people who are afraid of 'extreme grace' often just don't know the power of God to change hearts. It's the love of God that pulls us toward Him. Yes, the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom but the change that occurs in the human heart is a holy work, that literally transforms us from one person to another.
Forgiveness of sin produces reverence not a need to sin. I know Calvinists and legalists can't understand that bc they think that we are supposed to be 'good' but we are not, we are forgiven.
When I stopped trying to be good and just said, Lord I'm so lousy but this is all I have to offer... that was when the desire to sin fell away. It helps being older, less temptations and being more mature tends to keep a person out of trouble but that wasn't what changed in me... it was literally a transformation.
I struggle in some areas but they are the inward sins, anger, pride, rebellion those things people can't see that the Lord reveals after you get past the outward stuff. But trying to get rid of them on my own is useless.... and produces pride. Knowing that righteousness is a gift produces gratitude.

God bless, andrea

Great understanding, well said.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

I know, I know... you folk think the Holy Spirit never ever hands out any correction cause that would be "negative". There's nothing like staying clean, unless of course you folk think you have no sin now

Who are "you folk?" Word/Faith people?

 

[Ted Lang]

Who are "you folk?" Word/Faith people?

Apparently wof has now turned in to extreme grace meaning wof no longer looks to scripture first and is now embracing popular TV preachers only... Word second, preacher's opinion first.

 

[ABlessedAnomaly]

Apparently wof has now turned in to extreme grace meaning wof no longer looks to scripture first and is now embracing popular TV preachers only... Word second, preacher's opinion first.

Are you Word/Faith?

 

[simplegospel1144]

Because I have searched so carefully over the years and looked at correct doctrine, I do not take TV preachers lightly. I was fooled once and found out the hard way. I was raised in a denomination that was simply a dead works. I search out what they say in scripture. I do not take what they say as truth because they are popular or on TV. EVERYTHING Prince has taught I have compared and re-compared. I understand what you are saying Ted.

 

[Ted Lang]

Well, God still goes by His Word and we would do good to remember that... regardless of how many guys on TV telling people everything is puppie doggies and pop sickles

 

[Willie T]

Because I have searched so carefully over the years and looked at correct doctrine, I do not take TV preachers lightly. I was fooled once and found out the hard way. I was raised in a denomination that was simply a dead works. I search out what they say in scripture. I do not take what they say as truth because they are popular or on TV. EVERYTHING Prince has taught I have compared and re-compared. I understand what you are saying Ted.

The only thing I have found Prince to be off target in is that he states that God punished Jesus on the cross.

 

[Ted Lang]

The only thing I have found Prince to be off target in is that he states that God punished Jesus on the cross.

If the punishment that was intended for us had not been put on and accepted by Jesus... then we will still have to be punished since God is perfectly just having said the wages of sin IS death.

Reckon Jesus was on vacation when to the Cross?
What do you think happened to Him?