Joel Osteen

[Mathetes the kerux]

Not exempt, either judged or blessed by God. God uses different spokesmen/women to bring in a deversity of fish.

I love to hear T.D Jakes Preach, no doubt there are many who don't. If I had my choice in choosing between the two of them I would choose Jakes over Olsteen.

I've seen the anointing on people that I thought were fake until I heard the voice within the voice as they spoke.

As much as I would like to add my comments about his sermons, I will not.

Anointing is NOT the judge . . . neither the "voice in the voice" BOTH CAN BE FAKED. Doctrine is the judge . . . Osteen really has NONE (and the little he has is bad) . . . and Jakes has false (denying Trinity).

The test is doctrine. It must be held in LOVE, but it must be held.

 

[IisJustMe]

Anointing is NOT the judge . . . neither the "voice in the voice" BOTH CAN BE FAKED. Doctrine is the judge . . . Osteen really has NONE (and the little he has is bad) . . . and Jakes has false (denying Trinity).

The test is doctrine. It must be held in LOVE, but it must be held.

What he said ...

Lightbearer, I wouldn't choose either one of them. I'll take Chuck Swindoll, Charles Stanley, David Jeremiah, Tony Evans or the late Dr. D. James Kennedy over both of 'em.

 

[Nadiine]

I actually heard a pentecostal pastor on tv preach that EVERY CHRISTIAN IS ANNOINTED BY GOD.

That this "annointing" as if you aren't 'annointed' by God prior to doing something is a farse in the Christian community.
ALL are "annointed" if a believer, but it doesn't ensure success.

In Osteens' case, I question if he's even annointed. - any new ager uses terms about God & Jesus and the 'goodness' and 'love'.... but listen to them in detail AFTER you get off of the 'fluff' and then you'll start seeing the real worldviews come out.

He couldn't even admit the truth of the gospel on TV - and he's preaching?? He sticks God's words in the BACK of his books in case somebody might want to look them up!
HIS WORDS TAKE PRECEDENCE over God's own instead of using them thru the book. He admitted it was on purpose.
I've heard enough of this man to know when to run.

If you don't share the same, that's fine. I use strict discernment in who I let teach me anything and honestly, I could listen to any motivational speaker who has very good morals & bleieves in God and get about the same education.

 

[maeda]

hello everyone i believe that joel osteen is really using by a Holy Spirit joel osteen sermon is very encouraging..

 

[maeda]

everybody wasn't have a the same opinion..and this is my opinion co'z when i heard and saw on line joel osteen i really feel blessed and refresh..joel osteen is a nice pastor and i believe he is annoited..

 

[Lightbearer3]

What he said ...

Lightbearer, I wouldn't choose either one of them. I'll take Chuck Swindoll, Charles Stanley, David Jeremiah, Tony Evans or the late Dr. D. James Kennedy over both of 'em.

I love to hear all those pastors preach also, esp. Stanley, Like Swindoll also, Tony Evans is great, they are all awesome.

It takes the ears of the Spirit to "hear" the anointing. Healings can be faked, false teachers do arise, but I do have ears to hear the anointing of the Spirit of God, and that can't be faked.

 

[Cris413]

I love to hear all those pastors preach also, esp. Stanley, Like Swindoll also, Tony Evans is great, they are all awesome.

It takes the ears of the Spirit to "hear" the anointing. Healings can be faked, false teachers do arise, but I do have ears to hear the anointing of the Spirit of God, and that can't be faked.

Yes...wonderfully anointed pastor/teachers...never once in the many times I've listened to these men preach/teach did a red flag ever go up that made me think..."hey...wait a minute???"

I would also add RC Sproul and Billy Graham to that list.

 

[PattyOfurniture]

This man has put himself in a position of pastoral authority - I WILL judge a 'brother' when they are not doing their job as a Pastor -
he's technically a motivational speaker using a few bible verses in the process.

1 Cor 5 also calls us to judge those inside the church - not outside of it.
Those in positions he's taken are under scrutinity becuz of the spiritual authority he places himself in. I would warn anybody listening to him as their "steady spritual diet".
And if they are, it's my assertion/opinion that theymay be complacent with secular growth over a close relationship with the Lord in maturity. IF that's what they want, then great, they chose the right teacher.

We speak out against teachers who are poor or leaders who harm people in their practices... why is a Pastor exempt from this?

lets not get carried away.were all Human Beings and put our trousers on the same way,1 leg at a time.I'm wondering how many people Joel has brought to Christ in the past lets use the figure 3 months or so e.g.and how many any of us have in that same period of time.btw, where is the verse that says to Judge a Pastor?
if i had no sin, i would pick up a stone and get in line with the rest of you guys....

 

[Psalms34]

or the late Dr. D. James Kennedy over both of 'em.

I like Kennedy quite a bit, listen to his sermons often, though definitely don’t agree with some of his views, mainly concerning eschatology and replacement theology (I know, not the terminology for it), but he is strong on family value teachings, even though I disagree on some of his points of views. But he was always up front with true repentance, the need to turn away from sin and to God, not as some gizmo you pull the arm of and it drops health and wealth into your pockets, but the real need for a Saviour, and the only way to the real living God.
Joel Osteen? One exclamation to offer: RUN! …and don’t look back.
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/osteen.htm <== He is a false teacher, plain and simple.

 

[Nadiine]

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/osteen.htm <== He is a false teacher, plain and simple.

Great link, thanks for posting it.

 

[Zecryphon]

lets not get carried away.were all Human Beings and put our trousers on the same way,1 leg at a time.I'm wondering how many people Joel has brought to Christ in the past lets use the figure 3 months or so e.g.and how many any of us have in that same period of time.btw, where is the verse that says to Judge a Pastor?
if i had no sin, i would pick up a stone and get in line with the rest of you guys....

I'm wondering if he's ever brought anyone to Christ and if so, how he did it. Because there is absolutely no reason for anyone listening to a Joel Osteen sermon to come to Christ. The reason people come to Christ is for forgiveness of sin. Joel never preaches about sin, he considers it a downer. So why are people coming to Christ through Joel's preaching, if they're coming at all?

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

lets not get carried away.were all Human Beings and put our trousers on the same way,1 leg at a time.I'm wondering how many people Joel has brought to Christ in the past lets use the figure 3 months or so e.g.and how many any of us have in that same period of time.btw, where is the verse that says to Judge a Pastor?
if i had no sin, i would pick up a stone and get in line with the rest of you guys....

There are plenty of passages that say we are to judge the bretheren, of which a Pastor is one. The only qualifying factor is in bringing "he said, she said" accusations against a Pastor . . . in this case there needs to be more than one witness.

And leading people to Christ really is nothing. People can say the sinners prayer and not even be saved. A church can have thousands of people saved a year . . . and with no solid root of doctrine you get a huge lake that is only an inch deep. And when trial and the cares of the world come . . . the root withers. That is not a true convert.

 

[PattyOfurniture]

I'm wondering if he's ever brought anyone to Christ and if so, how he did it. Because there is absolutely no reason for anyone listening to a Joel Osteen sermon to come to Christ. The reason people come to Christ is for forgiveness of sin. Joel never preaches about sin, he considers it a downer. So why are people coming to Christ through Joel's preaching, if they're coming at all?

Good Morning Zec,
this is where i'm coming from with this.I saw the Larry King interview after hearing the hub-bub.so i kinda jumped aboard the bash-joel express and rode for a short time parroting the same stuff ive seen in this thread.but like most(but sadly not all) things i finally took a closer look for myself.
yes the LK interview was not a good thing,but in JO material and sermons he does not avoid the way and the person that brings "salvation"
Iwont say hes R.C.Sproul..looool,but he does give God the credit and does explain that Jesus is the way to "salvation'
I myself am no fan of the "seeker-service",potted palm replacing the cross deal or even the Toronto-Blessing" fiasco either.
JO has a very watered down non-threatening message that rarely mentions sin.but it is not "another Gospel".
Paul became all things to all men to reach them.

Philippians 1:18But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

GBU

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Good Morning Zec,
this is where i'm coming from with this.I saw the Larry King interview after hearing the hub-bub.so i kinda jumped aboard the bash-joel express and rode for a short time parroting the same stuff ive seen in this thread.but like most(but sadly not all) things i finally took a closer look for myself.
yes the LK interview was not a good thing,but in JO material and sermons he does not avoid the way and the person that brings "salvation"
Iwont say hes R.C.Sproul..looool,but he does give God the credit and does explain that Jesus is the way to "salvation'
I myself am no fan of the "seeker-service",potted palm replacing the cross deal or even the Toronto-Blessing" fiasco either.
JO has a very watered down non-threatening message that rarely mentions sin.but it is not "another Gospel".
Paul became all things to all men to reach them.

Philippians 1:18But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

GBU

He is certainly no RC (BTW Patty have you changed your stance on Trinity? seems like you have your head in a lot of evangelical stuff . . .). But Jesus also said whoever denied Him before men He would deny before the Father . . . so whatever Joel affirms in his Lit. . . . he kind of made it all null and void as far as character goes with Mr King.

Just kind of one of those essential matters . . .

 

[Zecryphon]

There are plenty of passages that say we are to judge the bretheren, of which a Pastor is one. The only qualifying factor is in bringing "he said, she said" accusations against a Pastor . . . in this case there needs to be more than one witness.

And leading people to Christ really is nothing. People can say the sinners prayer and not even be saved. A church can have thousands of people saved a year . . . and with no solid root of doctrine you get a huge lake that is only an inch deep. And when trial and the cares of the world come . . . the root withers. That is not a true convert.

If you really wanna get technical about this, nobody leads anybody else to Christ. No one can come to Christ unless the Father draws them. I always get very uncomfortable when I read statements by people who say I've led "X" amount of people to Christ or I've saved "X" amount of people. I always have to remind them, no you didn't, God did.

Rom 8:29 For those whom he foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the image of his Son, in order that he might be the firstborn among many brothers.

Rom 8:30 And those whom he predestined he also called, and those whom he called he also justified, and those whom he justified he also glorified.

 

[Zecryphon]

Good Morning Zec,
this is where i'm coming from with this.I saw the Larry King interview after hearing the hub-bub.so i kinda jumped aboard the bash-joel express and rode for a short time parroting the same stuff ive seen in this thread.but like most(but sadly not all) things i finally took a closer look for myself.
yes the LK interview was not a good thing,but in JO material and sermons he does not avoid the way and the person that brings "salvation"
Iwont say hes R.C.Sproul..looool,but he does give God the credit and does explain that Jesus is the way to "salvation'
I myself am no fan of the "seeker-service",potted palm replacing the cross deal or even the Toronto-Blessing" fiasco either.
JO has a very watered down non-threatening message that rarely mentions sin.but it is not "another Gospel".
Paul became all things to all men to reach them.

Philippians 1:18But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

GBU

Good Morning Zec,

Hello

this is where i'm coming from with this.I saw the Larry King interview after hearing the hub-bub.so i kinda jumped aboard the bash-joel express and rode for a short time parroting the same stuff ive seen in this thread.but like most(but sadly not all) things i finally took a closer look for myself.
yes the LK interview was not a good thing,but in JO material and sermons he does not avoid the way and the person that brings "salvation"

I've seen both Larry King interviews and to say they "were not good thing" is such an understatement. They were a disgrace. Larry didn't ask him tough questions. If I remember correctly Larry did ask Joel if he believed that Jews were going to Hell. Joel's answer should have been yes, if they are not born-again in Christ. The "are Mormons Christians" question is a no-brainer. No, they're not Christians.

Iwont say hes R.C.Sproul..looool,but he does give God the credit and does explain that Jesus is the way to "salvation'

I've listened to many of his sermons and I've never ever heard that.

I myself am no fan of the "seeker-service",potted palm replacing the cross deal or even the Toronto-Blessing" fiasco either.
JO has a very watered down non-threatening message that rarely mentions sin.but it is not "another Gospel".
Paul became all things to all men to reach them.

I agree, it isn't another gospel. It isn't even a gospel. It's inspirational speaking. It's focused solely on you. Look at the titles of his last two books: Live Your Best Life Now and Become a Better You. Why would any Christian read either of those books seeking to better understand Christ? Christ isn't the focus or the topic at hand.

Philippians 1:18But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

But Christ is not preached, that's the point. The Christian is preached. The focus is on self not on Christ. It's all about you and how you can become a better you, how you can live your best life now and how you can be somebody's miracle.

Zec

 

[IisJustMe]

I saw the Larry King interview ...

Did you see this part?

KING: But you believe your way.
OSTEEN: I believe my way. I believe my way with all my heart.
KING: But for someone who doesn't share it is wrong, isn't he?
OSTEEN: Well, yes. Well, I don't know if I look at it like that. I would present my way, but I'm just going to let God be the judge of that. I don't know. I don't know.
KING: So you make no judgment on anyone?
OSTEEN: No. But I...
KING: What about atheists?
OSTEEN: You know what, I'm going to let someone -- I'm going to let God be the judge of who goes to heaven and hell. I just -- again, I present the truth, and I say it every week. You know, I believe it's a relationship with Jesus. But you know what? I'm not going to go around telling everybody else if they don't want to believe that that's going to be their choice. God's got to look at your own heart. God's got to look at your heart, and only God knows that.

Iwont say hes R.C.Sproul..looool,

No "duh"

... but he does give God the credit and does explain that Jesus is the way to "salvation'

I've watched Osteen. No, he does not do that. He speaks of inner change, coming from self. He might spout a few Bible verses and say "Jesus" every now and then, but he doesn't give any glory to God whatsoever. And even if I had not seen Osteen on TV, "preaching," how could I watch Larry King, see the above response and think he would ever give glory to God? One last thing:

Paul became all things to all men to reach them.

Philippians 1:18But what does it matter? The important thing is that in every way, whether from false motives or true, Christ is preached. And because of this I rejoice.

Paul wrote this verse of people speaking the true gospel message out of envy, spite toward him, or for profit. What Osteen preaches is not the true gospel message but the false gospel of prosperity, inner change through self, and the Norman Vincent Peale message of being a "little god" within ourselves. It's heresy and is to be condemned.

 

[LovebirdsFlying]

...for spiritual guidance during a very difficult time in my life.

My letter was never answered, and given what I have observed since, I can only conclude that a lack of an enclosed donation means he or his office help were not interested.

 

[IisJustMe]

...for spiritual guidance during a very difficult time in my life.

My letter was never answered, and given what I have observed since, I can only conclude that a lack of an enclosed donation means he or his office help were not interested.

I'd say that's a very sound conclusion.

 

[PattyOfurniture]

He is certainly no RC (BTW Patty have you changed your stance on Trinity? seems like you have your head in a lot of evangelical stuff . . .). But Jesus also said whoever denied Him before men He would deny before the Father . . . so whatever Joel affirms in his Lit. . . . he kind of made it all null and void as far as character goes with Mr King.

Just kind of one of those essential matters . . .

"Hear o Israel, our God is one,...."
naw bro, didnt change my stance....havent hollered at you in many moons....