Joel Osteen

[Nadiine]

1 Timothy 4:3-4
For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

This verse in my opinion is one of the profound fulfillments of prophecy imo (outside those of Christ of course) -

Along with a falling away from the faith. We're basically seeing the shift now - those who have left to follow doctrines of demons.

 

[IamRedeemed]

This verse in my opinion is one of the profound fulfillments of prophecy imo (outside those of Christ of course) -

Along with a falling away from the faith. We're basically seeing the shift now - those who have left to follow doctrines of demons.

 

[IisJustMe]

Unfortunately, the bottom line for those who sit under Joel's teaching is, "If this makes me feel good, it must be right." This is what Paul was talking about when he wrote to his protégé Timothy:

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires ... (II Timothy 4:3)

Of course they would all be offended if you suggested this verse applied to them. Most of them also adhere to the prosperity gospel, probably think speaking in tongues is valid, and that personal prophecy is still active through "prophets" instead of directly from God.

We can decry his influence and give our opinions, but turning people away from Joel Osteen is probably more difficult than turning people away from sin and toward Jesus.

 

[Grateful4God]

I agree with most of the statements in here. Except for those who say speaking in tonges is not valid. It is a gift and very biblical.

 

[IisJustMe]

I agree with most of the statements in here. Except for those who say speaking in tonges is not valid. It is a gift and very biblical.

Nope. Ended with the close of the canon. But that's not something that should divide us. No offense, I pray.

 

[Grateful4God]

Nope. Ended with the close of the canon. But that's not something that should divide us. No offense, I pray.

Please show me something that backs this up.

 

[Mathetes the kerux]

Don't derail guys . . .

 

[Grateful4God]

Fair enough, sorry for going off topic.

I have been MIA for a while here. I would like to hear some more opinion on talking in tongues. Can you point me in the right direction?

 

[IisJustMe]

Fair enough, sorry for going off topic.

I have been MIA for a while here. I would like to hear some more opinion on talking in tongues. Can you point me in the right direction?

Yeah, let's not derail. There a lot of threads on this forum, the Baptist forum, and other forums on which I and others have posted links and those opinions. I'll try to find some time to research them and PM you a couple links, but in seven minutes I've got my first appt of the day, so I better pull this couple's file so I can try to help them. God bless.

 

[Kelly]

I think the best Joel can do is indirectly create a spark in someone to seek the full gospel.

 

[Nadiine]

I think the best Joel can do is indirectly create a spark in someone to seek the full gospel.

Well I have no doubt whatsoever that God can work thru good or unqualified people.

I just wish he'd change his title to motivational speaker and mention that he bases his teachings on SOME of the bible's principles.
I think that would be more accurate and please most everybody.

 

[IisJustMe]

I think the best Joel can do is indirectly create a spark in someone to seek the full gospel.

I think if someone had the grounding or desire to do that, they wouldn't be listening to Joel Osteen in the first place. Anyone with any discernment at all (a requirement for teaching) would realize he doesn't preach the gospel.

 

[Lightbearer3]

I've only really listened to him once. And it was kind of funny, because I've learned that when God wants me to learn something or is trying to get something through to me, I'll start reading and hearing the same thing over and over. Like, I'll read something in the Bible pertaining to that topic, then something will come in my email dealing with that, or I may read something in a magazine or hear it on the radio.
So, awhile back, there was this one topic that for some reason God wanted me to 'grasp'. And I kept coming across it in everything. I came home from work one day and turned on the tv. It just happened to be on whatever channel Joel was on and he was talking about that very topic!!
So, I believe that God can use him. I've heard many people say he preaches fluff, doesn't preach the whole gospel, etc. and maybe he doesn't. I can't pass that judgment since I've not really listened to him. But, that doesn't mean that someone isn't helped by something he says.

This is the way that God often speaks to me also, and He confirms His Word through anyone He choses.

I agree also that I will not speak against this pastor. His father was used greatly by God.

God uses vessels in his service to preach different messages, some preach healing, others focus on faith, they do what God calls them to do and preach what God tells them to preach. When the deciples came to Jesus and told him that there were others using His name that were not of them, Jesus said: Forbid them not.....for he that is not against us is on our part.

A kingdom divided against itself can not stand.

It is better to pray for him if his message is wrong than to bash him, if grace is what we desire should we not also extend it to others?

Who are we to judge another man's servant?To his own master he stands or falls. Yea he shall be held up: for God is able to make him stand. Romans 14:4

But why do you judge your brother? Why do you set at nought your brother? For we shall all stand at the judgement seat of Christ. Romans 14:10

 

[Nadiine]

This is the way that God often speaks to me also, and He confirms His Word through anyone He choses.

I agree also that I will not speak agaist this pastor. His father was used greatly by God.

God uses vessels in his service to preach different messages, some preach healing, others focus on faith, they do what God calls them to do and preach what God tells them to preach. When the deciples came to Jesus and told him that there were others using His name that were not of them, Jesus said: Forbid them not.....for he that is not against us is on our part.

A kingdom divided against itself can not stand.

It is better to pray for him if his message is wrong than to bash him, if grace is what we desire should we not also extend it to others?

Who are we to judge another man's servant?To his own master he stands or falls. Yea he shall be held up: for God is able to make him stand. Romans 14:4

But why do you judge your brother? Why do you set at nought your brother? For we shall all stand at the judgement seat of Christ. Romans 14:10

This man has put himself in a position of pastoral authority - I WILL judge a 'brother' when they are not doing their job as a Pastor -
he's technically a motivational speaker using a few bible verses in the process.

1 Cor 5 also calls us to judge those inside the church - not outside of it.
Those in positions he's taken are under scrutinity becuz of the spiritual authority he places himself in. I would warn anybody listening to him as their "steady spritual diet".
And if they are, it's my assertion/opinion that theymay be complacent with secular growth over a close relationship with the Lord in maturity. IF that's what they want, then great, they chose the right teacher.

We speak out against teachers who are poor or leaders who harm people in their practices... why is a Pastor exempt from this?

 

[Kelly]

The whole 'judging' acusation gets thrown out a lot more than it should. Jesus said to beware of wolf in sheep's clothing. How do we do that without drawing some basic conclusions about a spiritual leader's teachings and express our opinion when it's brought up?

Nobody is saying Joel doesn't believe in Jesus or is going to Hell, or the state of his repentance to sin - the types of things one typically speaks of when throwing out judgement accusations. Leading the flock astray is a BIG mistake as Jesus says. It has reprocusions in the afterlife.

 

[Nadiine]

The whole 'judging' acusation gets thrown out a lot more than it should. Jesus said to beware of wolf in sheep's clothing. How do we do that without drawing some basic conclusions about a spiritual leader's teachings and express our opinion when it's brought up?

Nobody is saying Joel doesn't believe in Jesus or is going to Hell, or the state of his repentance to sin - the types of things one typically speaks of when throwing out judgement accusations. Leading the flock astray is a BIG mistake as Jesus says. It has reprocusions in the afterlife.

I totally agree with this post - anyone in a place of spiritual authority should be under more scrutiny than those who are not.
It's a serious responsibility - esp. when reading James 3:1 that teachers will judged much more harshly.

 

[IamRedeemed]

This man has put himself in a position of pastoral authority - I WILL judge a 'brother' when they are not doing their job as a Pastor -
he's technically a motivational speaker using a few bible verses in the process.

1 Cor 5 also calls us to judge those inside the church - not outside of it.
Those in positions he's taken are under scrutinity becuz of the spiritual authority he places himself in. I would warn anybody listening to him as their "steady spritual diet".
And if they are, it's my assertion/opinion that theymay be complacent with secular growth over a close relationship with the Lord in maturity. IF that's what they want, then great, they chose the right teacher.

We speak out against teachers who are poor or leaders who harm people in their practices... why is a Pastor exempt from this?

The whole 'judging' acusation gets thrown out a lot more than it should. Jesus said to beware of wolf in sheep's clothing. How do we do that without drawing some basic conclusions about a spiritual leader's teachings and express our opinion when it's brought up?

Nobody is saying Joel doesn't believe in Jesus or is going to Hell, or the state of his repentance to sin - the types of things one typically speaks of when throwing out judgement accusations. Leading the flock astray is a BIG mistake as Jesus says. It has reprocusions in the afterlife.

 

[3DSabbath07]

I believe Joel Osteen is what the Bible teaches about when it says that people will preach to you only to "tickle your ears." In other words, Joel does not tackle any major topic in the bible, he only preaches to make you feel good and tells you what you want to hear. If someone asked him which day the Sabbath was on, he would be completely lost in thought and probably just tell you to stay motivated and not even answer you directly.

Summary, Joel has some good messages.....just don't base your entire faith on his messages.....He is basically a motivational speaker and not an actual bible based, doctrine tackling, change the world by truth pastor.

God Bless and I hope this helps.

 

[Zecryphon]

Well I have no doubt whatsoever that God can work thru good or unqualified people.

I just wish he'd change his title to motivational speaker and mention that he bases his teachings on SOME of the bible's principles.
I think that would be more accurate and please most everybody.

What Joel Osteen does is he preaches the Christian rather than preaching the Christ.

 

[Lightbearer3]

This man has put himself in a position of pastoral authority - I WILL judge a 'brother' when they are not doing their job as a Pastor -
he's technically a motivational speaker using a few bible verses in the process.

1 Cor 5 also calls us to judge those inside the church - not outside of it.
Those in positions he's taken are under scrutinity becuz of the spiritual authority he places himself in. I would warn anybody listening to him as their "steady spritual diet".
And if they are, it's my assertion/opinion that theymay be complacent with secular growth over a close relationship with the Lord in maturity. IF that's what they want, then great, they chose the right teacher.

We speak out against teachers who are poor or leaders who harm people in their practices... why is a Pastor exempt from this?

Not exempt, either judged or blessed by God. God uses different spokesmen/women to bring in a deversity of fish.

I love to hear T.D Jakes Preach, no doubt there are many who don't. If I had my choice in choosing between the two of them I would choose Jakes over Olsteen.

I've seen the anointing on people that I thought were fake until I heard the voice within the voice as they spoke.

As much as I would like to add my comments about his sermons, I will not.