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I have no interest in going down this road as Mormons are not Christians. They worship a Christ that is different from the one revealed in the scriptures. If you were a Mormon, you'd know how to spell it.

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I read the transcript. (thank you for posting it!)

Fluff & Stuff.
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My sister mailed me this link last night - it's an interview regarding Mormonism.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/12/pastor_joel_osteen_speaks_out.php

I remember one line he gave on Fox & that was being in agreement w/ Mormons about Jesus Christ... (sad, he didn't even know they define a different Jesus)!!

Anyways, I say RUN - this is no Shepherd.
 
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My sister mailed me this link last night - it's an interview regarding Mormonism.

http://www.onenewsnow.com/2007/12/pastor_joel_osteen_speaks_out.php

I remember one line he gave on Fox & that was being in agreement w/ Mormons about Jesus Christ... (sad, he didn't even know they define a different Jesus)!!

Anyways, I say RUN - this is no Shepherd.
Yes...I was pretty dismayed when I heard his statement regarding Romney and Mormonism.

I thought...a Pastor of 47,000 people doesn't know enough about other religions to teach his flock about counterfeits and false teaching???

This "I don't know enough" is not good enough. He should know enough. He has 47,000 people under his roof.

That is some serious accountability. We really need to pray for him and the people that are being fed the diet of "fluff and stuff" (it does look quite delicious and tempting Floatingaxe ;) )

I mean consider...they may be feeling all good about themselves now...but what's going to happen to them when the really tough stuff comes along.

How will they endure to the end being so malnourished?

They may be sheep with a positive attitude....but....weak sheep are vulnerable sheep...

Before I watched the Fox interview...I wasn't sure if Mr Osteen knew what he was doing...perhaps he was deceived into thinking he was doing the Lord's work.

And that may be part of it...but now I think he fully understands what his objective is. He simply rationalizes it as not everyone is called to be Billy Graham or some such...He's not evangelical...that's just not who he is or how God made him...but don't misunderstand...he does hope that people would get saved in the process.

What was also obvious in the interview was how many times he said "When I speak" all most as if he were being careful not to say..."when I teach" or "when I preach"

Honestly...if I didn't already know Lakewood is a church...or came in the middle of the interview...I'm not sure I would have put it together right away that he is a pastor.

47,000 people....:sigh:....and this is not counting his tv viewers...

Chris Wallace noted Lakewood is THE largest AND fastest growing church in the country.

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And that may be part of it...but now I think he fully understands what his objective is. He simply rationalizes it as not everyone is called to be Billy Graham or some such...He's not evangelical...that's just not who he is or how God made him...but don't misunderstand...he does hope that people would get saved in the process.
I don't know about that. I'm not even sure Joel is saved, or understands the concept. I don't think Norman Vincent Peale was saved. Both teach of personal renewal coming from within and we all know that's not where it comes from. I thought Chris Wallace did a good job of bringing that out without actually challenging Joel and starting a big fight on TV. Not that Joel would have fought. I don't think he has the gumption to do so, to stand up for what is right, because he doesn't know what is right.
 
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I don't know about that. I'm not even sure Joel is saved, or understands the concept. I don't think Norman Vincent Peale was saved. Both teach of personal renewal coming from within and we all know that's not where it comes from. I thought Chris Wallace did a good job of bringing that out without actually challenging Joel and starting a big fight on TV. Not that Joel would have fought. I don't think he has the gumption to do so, to stand up for what is right, because he doesn't know what is right.
Perhaps I should have been more clear (I was only on my first cup off coffee)...I believe his objective is to be popular and make money...I now think after watching the interview...that he totally understands he's a motivational speaker that inherited a church...(an audience that I might add...gives him tax exempt status)

Chris Wallace did a fine job of pointing out what Osteen's critics have to say...and Osteen himself knows there is validity to those criticisms...that's why he rationalized it the way he did...

...but I consider he understands the concept of salvation...I think it would have been quite hard to grow up around his father and not have an understanding of salvation and the need of our Savior.

ps..I personally wouldn't presume to know the man's heart (God does though) my prior post is simply stating my opinion from what I gleaned from the interview.
 
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Yep. He even has said that he did not want to take over his Dad's ministry. He never had an interest in it. I can see where Itisjustme, could say that he isn't quite sure if Joel is saved or not though, because Jesus said out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks, therefore, we can know some things that are in a man's heart by the things he says and Joel Osteen has said on Larry King that he cannot say that Jesus is the only way to heaven and that he can't say that people that don't believe that are wrong. If I remember correctly, in the same line of questioning, he said we can't know people's hearts, in other words, he was saying it is possible that there are other ways to heaven and being a "good person" could be one of those ways. YIKES! :eek:

He had the opportunity to witness to Larry King and everyone watching, but it seemed he could not witness the way, because he did not know the way.


Perhaps I should have been more clear (I was only on my first cup off coffee)...I believe his objective is to be popular and make money...I now think after watching the interview...that he totally understands he's a motivational speaker that inherited a church...(an audience that I might add...gives him tax exempt status)

Chris Wallace did a fine job of pointing out what Osteen's critics have to say...and Osteen himself knows there is validity to those criticisms...that's why he rationalized it the way he did...

...but I consider he understands the concept of salvation...I think it would have been quite hard to grow up around his father and not have an understanding of salvation and the need of our Savior.

ps..I personally wouldn't presume to know the man's heart (God does though) my prior post is simply stating my opinion from what I gleaned from the interview.
 
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Joel's white washed, unScriptural answers just make me sick in my spirit. :sick::sick::sick:

Sending people to hell in a handbasket of deception.....but hey at least they
will "feel good" about themselves in this life, who cares about eternity!
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Not so Joel!

Colossians 3:1-4
If you then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sits on the right hand of God.
Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth. For you are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God. When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

1 Timothy 4:3-4

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


Matthew 7:15

Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.


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Paul Washer vs Joel Osteen, round 2 and down for the count.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7zcDFyUN_I&feature=related
 

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