Jesus prophesied that we would be keeping the Sabbath until He returns in Matthew 24

[SabbathBlessings]

What you don’t know of is any Adventist leader through the conference teaching that we must keep the Sabbath to have the rest Christ offers. And That is because that is salvation through works.

I don’t know of any Adventist who believes we can receive the rest in Christ by being disobedient including the Sabbath. We keep what God asks of us through faith, believing what He asks of us though His Word. I believe in all 28 fundamental beliefs including the Sabbath which is God’s holy Sabbath day that is celebrated on the seventh day from sundown to sundown.

God bless and Happy Sabbath.

 

[Leaf473]

You missed the point.

The commandments affirmed in the principle to "Love your neighbor as yourself" Lev 19:18 don't get deleted by that command - but are affirmed and established by it.

Those commandments are affirmed, established, and fulfilled by the Commandment to love your neighbor as yourself.

Then the question becomes what particular actions do you take in each situation.

Are you free to lie, cheat, steal, sleep around, wear mixed fabrics, use toilets instead of taking a shovel out into the forest, repair your neighbor's fence on Saturday, etc.

The answer is you can do all of those things, or none of those things, depending on how they fit with loving your neighbor as yourself.

I woke up with this scripture on my mind
whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 7 - English Standard Version

 

[Leaf473]

I don’t know of any Adventist who believes we can receive the rest in Christ by being disobedient including the Sabbath. We keep what God asks of us through faith, believing what He asks of us though His Word. I believe in all 28 fundamental beliefs including the Sabbath which is God’s holy Sabbath day that is celebrated on the seventh day from sundown to sundown.

God bless and Happy Sabbath.

Say, SB, are you using Rest in Christ here as synonymous with salvation?

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Those commandments are affirmed, established, and fulfilled by the Commandment to love your neighbor as yourself.

Then the question becomes what particular actions do you take in each situation.

Are you free to lie, cheat, steal, sleep around, wear mixed fabrics, use toilets instead of taking a shovel out into the forest, repair your neighbor's fence on Saturday, etc.

The answer is you can do all of those things, or none of those things, depending on how they fit with loving your neighbor as yourself.

I woke up with this scripture on my mind
whatever you wish that others would do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
Bible Gateway passage: Matthew 7 - English Standard Version

The Word of God is not meant to be pitted against each other from one scripture to another. When we love God will all our soul, heart and mind one would be keeping the commandments of God, not breaking them. This is fulfilling the greatest commandment.

If you love Me, keep My commandments. You can not love God by breaking His commandments regardless how one wants to word it.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Say, SB, are you using Rest in Christ here as synonymous with salvation?

We cannot have rest in Christ through His weekly Sabbath rest or salvation rest by being disobedient to God. We should be obedient to God through our faith and love and believing His Word.

 

[Leaf473]

The Word of God is not meant to be pitted against each other from one scripture to another. When we love God will all our soul, heart and mind one would be keeping the commandments of God, not breaking them. This is fulfilling the greatest commandment.

If you love Me, keep My commandments. You can not love God by breaking His commandments regardless how one wants to word it.

That's right, it's not pitting any Scripture against another scripture.

Fulfill can have the same sense as paying off a bank loan, like it's used here

22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”)
Matthew 1 NIV

Mary didn't keep getting pregnant again and again.

 

[Leaf473]

The Word of God is not meant to be pitted against each other from one scripture to another. When we love God will all our soul, heart and mind one would be keeping the commandments of God, not breaking them. This is fulfilling the greatest commandment.

If you love Me, keep My commandments. You can not love God by breaking His commandments regardless how one wants to word it.

But if you'd like to have a friendly discussion about keeping the commandments of God, that would be great!

The first step would be for you to say what you believe the commandments of God are. It's very difficult to have a conversation about commandments with someone who won't say what they think those commandments are imo.

And yes, I know where to find the ten commandments, and the first and second greatest commandment... I'm asking for scripture references for the rest of the commandments.

I think that will really help us have a friendly discussion

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That's right, it's not pitting any Scripture against another scripture.

Fulfill can have the same sense as paying off a bank loan, like it's used here

22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23“The virgin will conceive and give birth to a son, and they will call him Immanuel” (which means “God with us”)
Matthew 1 NIV

Mary didn't keep getting pregnant again and again.

Fulfill does not mean the opposite of Jesus saying I did not come to destroy the law i.e. meaning you don’t have to keep- if you love Me keep My commandments -that is the context. If you choose to believe otherwise thats your free will but it does not reconcile with the Word of God.

The saints keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus. Revelation 14:12
Blessed are those who Do His commandments Revelation 22:15 but outside.. Revelation 22:15

 

[Leaf473]

We cannot have rest in Christ through His weekly Sabbath rest or salvation rest by being disobedient to God. We should be obedient to God through our faith and love and believing His Word.

Are you using salvation rest to be something different from salvation?

 

[Leaf473]

Fulfill does not mean the opposite of Jesus saying I did not come to destroy the law i.e. meaning you don’t have to keep- if you love Me keep My commandments -that is the context. If you choose to believe otherwise thats your free will but it does not reconcile with the Word of God.

The saints keep the commandments of God and faith in Jesus. Revelation 14:12
Blessed are those who Do His commandments Revelation 22:15 but outside.. Revelation 22:15

That's right, fulfill does not mean destroy. Mary conceiving and fulfilling the prophecy did not destroy the prophecy.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Are you using salvation rest to be something different from salvation?

When we have salvation rest we walk in God in obedience to Him through faith and love.

I’m signing off- hope you have a blessed day in Christ.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

That's right, fulfill does not mean destroy. Mary conceiving and fulfilling the prophecy did not destroy the prophecy.

It seems like you teach we do not need to keep God's commandments so that is saying it is something that is destroyed i.e. don't need to obey, the opposite of what God, Jesus and the disciples teach.

 

[Leaf473]

When we have salvation rest we walk in God in obedience to Him.

I’m signing off- hope you have a blessed day in Christ.

That didn't answer the question.

We are all aware that saying you have to keep the law in order to be saved isn't allowed here on CF. I'm certainly not trying to get you in trouble.

If Sabbath rest is the same as salvation, and a person has to keep the Sabbath in order to obtain salvation rest,
then a person would have to keep the Sabbath in order to obtain salvation.

If that's what you think, I'm glad you didn't actually say it, because I'm enjoying discussing the law with you here.

May the Lord bless you and keep you.

 

[Leaf473]

I would recommend you stop using the commandments as something that is destroyed i.e. meaning you do not have to keep, the opposite of what God, Jesus and the disciples teach.

There's no sense haggling over words. Fulfilled can mean completed, in the sense of a bank loan. Or the way Mary completed the prophecy about a virgin conceiving.

There must be a word that you use regarding the animal sacrifice laws that doesn't mean destroyed but also doesn't mean that we keep taking those actions. If you'd like to say how you describe those laws, what word or words you use, that would be great.

 

[eleos1954]

I'd be more impressed, with you and your Biblical reporting, if you presented the whole story, instead of leaving out part of it. . .the part in the next verse, Galatians 3:25:
"Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law."

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oh really? so it's ok to murder, steal, worship idols etc? do you believe that?

law tells us what sin is and sin is transgression of the law.

Does sin still exist? Yes it does ... what is sin? Transgression of the Law.

Scripture tells us that "God is love" 1 John 4:8-16, and His laws, particularly as summarized in the Ten Commandments, show us the actions that demonstrate love toward others—first toward God (as expressed in the first four of the Ten Commandments), and then toward our fellow man (as expressed in the last six).

Jesus Christ, asked to name the greatest commandment, responded: "‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets" Matthew 22:37-40.

Jesus here quoted Deuteronomy 6:5 and Leviticus 19:18. These two commands summarize both the Ten Commandments and the entire law of God, as all God's other instructions flow from these two greatest commands.

The 10 are commandments are commandments of love (love towards God & love towards mankind) and through His love, He helps us to overcome sin and we know what sin (transgression of the law) is because His law is written in our hearts.

“He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God, and he shall be My son.” Revelation 21:6-7.

Revelation 3:5

The one who conquers will be clothed thus in white garments, and I will never blot his name out of the book of life. I will confess his name before my Father and before his angels.

What is being overcome? Sin (transgression of the law).

Jesus helps us overcome sin (transgression of the law).

1 John 1:8

If we say we have no sin (transgression of the law), we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

It is by the grace of God that He helps us overcome sin (transgression of the law) ... not a "free ticket" to live in sin (transgression of the law). We have faith in Jesus that He will work in our hearts and help us overcome sin (transgression of the law) ... and He does.

Grace and faith is not a replacement of the law. It is the love of God working in ones heart to help us not to live in sin (transgression of the law) ... to overcome it through His work in the believer.


Romans 2

12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.

14Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature what the law requires, they are a law to themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15So they show that the work of the law is written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts either accusing or defending them 16on the day when God will judge men’s secrets through Christ Jesus, as proclaimed by my gospel.

 

[Clare73]

"Now that faith has come, we are no longer under the supervision of the law." (Galatians 3:25)

oh really? . . .do you believe that?

Indeed, I do!

You don't?
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[eleos1954]

Indeed, I do!

You don't?
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well you are in error of replacing law with grace/faith .... so says paul.

Romans 6

1What then shall we say? Shall we continue in sin (transgression of the law) so that grace may increase? 2Certainly not! How can we who died to sin (transgression of the law) live in it any longer?

Romans 3:3
New International Version
Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

Psalms 19:7

King James Bible
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

1 Timothy 1:8
Now we know that the law is good, if one uses it legitimately.

if a man use it lawfully; for if it is used in order to obtain life, righteousness, and salvation by the works of it, or by obedience to it (without Christ), it is used unlawfully: for the law does not give life, nor can righteousness come by it; nor are, or can men be saved by the works of it; to use the law for such purposes, is to abuse it, as the false teachers did, and make that which is good in itself, and in its proper use, to do what is evil; namely, to obscure and frustrate the grace of God, and make null and void the sufferings and death of Christ. A lawful use of the law is to obey it, through the work of Christ in the believer.

I see that the law is good when kept legitimately (through the work of Christ)

 

[Clare73]

well you are in error of replacing law with grace/faith ....

I am in error for believing Galatians 3:25?

Who knew?

 

[eleos1954]

I am in error for believing Galatians 3:25?

Who knew?

No you are in error thinking grace and faith replaces the law. Through the grace and faith of Jesus He gives us the power to uphold the law and overcome sin which is transgression of the law ... it is His work in the believer.

We will all be judged by the law .... so to put forth the law does not exist is ludicrous.

Romans 2

12All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law.

13For it is not the hearers of the law who are righteous before God, but it is the doers of the law who will be declared righteous.

Jesus helps us to be doers.

John 14:15, “If ye love me keep my commandments."

I John 3:9, "Whosoever is born of the Most High doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin (transgress the law), because he is born of the Most High.”

I John 5:3. "For this is the LOVE of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.”

Matthew 5:17-19, "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill (meaning Christ did not come to put an end to the laws written in the Old Testament, but rather, to fulfill the prophecies that were written Of Him in the law and by the prophets. Read Luke 24:44). Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so (the so-called preachers in the churches), he shall be culled the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Ecclesiastes 12:13. "Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: fear the Heavenly Father, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man."

If the law (the 10) was done away with .... then one is saying ... it's ok to lie, cheat steal, worship idols etc. I doubt you believe that ... do you?

 

[Leaf473]

If the law (the 10) was done away with ....

The law is only the 10, in your view?