Jesus has broken the Sabbath

[All Becomes New]

Exo 20:11, Exo 20:8-11 Isaiah 58:13 Luke 4:16, Rev 14:12 1 John 5:3 John 14:15 Exodus 20:6 Rev 22:14 are not my words

Correct. But your interpretation is surely from your own tradition. So is it actually just the Word of God that you follow, or do you follow a tradition?

 

[Gary K]

It's Classical theology. You would not understand.

God Is Not A Moral Being and the Moral Argument Is Often Wrongheaded - J. Brian Huffling, Ph.D.

God is not a moral being and often the way the moral argument is used is just wrong. What I mean by the former is that God does not abide by moral commands, nor does he fulfill obligations or virtues in the way that humans do. I am also denying that God is his own

brianhuffling.com

Classical theology? Hardly. I can demonstrate that not a single leader in the Reformation would have accepted such a claim.

 

[All Becomes New]

Classical theology? Hardly. I can demonstrate that not a single leader in the Reformation would have accepted such a claim.

Perhaps you can email Dr. Huffling then and tell him that.

 

[Freth]

Perhaps you can email Dr. Huffling then and tell him that.

Scripture > Dr. Huffling

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Correct. But your interpretation is surely from your own tradition. So is it actually just the Word of God that you follow, or do you follow a tradition?

No I trust God means what He says He is easy to understand. Paul maybe not so much which is where people get confused thinking Paul teaches something different than God. There’s a warning about this in scripture too.

Take care

 

[All Becomes New]

Scripture > Dr. Huffling

Correct.

The Law was given. Why? So sin may abound (Romans 6). So that we have a greater recognization of our sin. So the Law did not always exist (Galatians). All morality is to show us we are sinners. It started with the Garden of Eden where Adam and Eve had one commandment, which they broke. Tell me, then, what purpose does God have for morals?

 

[HIM]

It's Classical theology. You would not understand.

God Is Not A Moral Being and the Moral Argument Is Often Wrongheaded - J. Brian Huffling, Ph.D.

God is not a moral being and often the way the moral argument is used is just wrong. What I mean by the former is that God does not abide by moral commands, nor does he fulfill obligations or virtues in the way that humans do. I am also denying that God is his own

brianhuffling.com

No it is classical heresy.

Good thing that is not what I said then.

Philosophy is dangerous, You said God is not a moral being. Therefore you said God sins. Morality is not a quality we Possess in and of ourselves and neither is the knowledge of it. It is a gift from God. All good things are of God. You bring up Romans 2. Good not many are aware. But what you seemed to miss was it was said in context to chapter 1. These verses in particular.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

 

[Leaf473]

Those who say Go just by what the Bible says are often the first to say Context when it comes to passages like Romans 14.

Deal with the Bible directly, literally, exactly, if that's what you believe God wants you to do. Or deal with things like context and metaphor. But I think it's good to be consistent. Pick one approach and stay with it.

Bible Gateway passage: Romans 14:5 - New American Standard Bible

One person values one day over another, another values every day the same. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind.

www.biblegateway.com

 

[All Becomes New]

Therefore you said God sins.

Can you quote me where I said God sins? I'd like to be made aware if I am in the same heretical boat as Brandan Robertson. I will need to do some serious reflection if I am in the same boat as him.

 

[HIM]

Correct. But your interpretation is surely from your own tradition. So is it actually just the Word of God that you follow, or do you follow a tradition?

More philosophy. Outside of mans tradition Interpretation comes from context and syntax also. That is what Sabbath Blessings is alluding to by those text.

It is as if you are saying truth is subjective.

 

[All Becomes New]

It is as if you are saying truth is subjective.

I got a chuckle out of that.

 

[Gary K]

Perhaps you can email Dr. Huffling then and tell him that.

I would have no problem doing that. Why should I fear confronting someone who teaches such obvious error? I don't think he would be any more amenable to changing his beliefs than you are though.

 

[HIM]

Can you quote me where I said God sins? I'd like to be made aware if I am in the same heretical boat as Brandan Robertson
I will need to do some serious reflection if I am in the same boat as him.

Here it is implied when you say He is not a moral being. You say this in respect to agreeing with the Pharisees when they say Jesus broke the Sabbath. Which means that they thought Christ sinned therefore so do you. Since Jesus did nothing in and of Himself.

In other words, God is not a moral being. He supersedes morality; He is not subject to it.

 

[All Becomes New]

I would have no problem doing that. Why should I fear confronting someone who teaches such obvious error? I don't think he would be any more amenable to changing his beliefs than you are though.

Then do it, because you may be surprised at how little you understand the argument.

 

[All Becomes New]

Here it is implied when you say He is not a moral being.

It's not implied. I'm outright stating that God is not subject to the standard of morality he gave to humans.

You say this in respect to agreeing with the Pharisees

I do? If anything, I am agreeing with Apostle John, who is in agreement with Christ.

Which means that they thought Christ sinned therefore so do you.

Which is why context is important. God is good and He can't do but good. But the Law was not perfect. It says so in Hebrews.

Since Jesus did nothing in and of Himself.

I agree. Because He is God.

 

[HIM]

I would have no problem doing that. Why should I fear confronting someone who teaches such obvious error? I don't think he would be any more amenable to changing his beliefs than you are though.

Happy Sabbath Gary and @SabbathBlessings. It would more than likely avail nothing. It would be as here; an endless debate. Theological issues let alone philosophical seldom get resolved through this type of venue but we should not stop using it because God works here too.
A sit down face to face is ideal. Not only can they feel the Spirit in the words but God's presence also.

 

[SabbathBlessings]

Happy Sabbath Gary and @SabbathBlessings. It would more than likely avail nothing. It would be as here; an endless debate. Theological issues let alone philosophical seldom get resolved through this type of venue but we should not stop using it because God works here too.
A sit down face to face is ideal. Not only can they feel the Spirit in the words but God's presence also.

Happy Sabbath Him and all!

 

[Gary K]

Then do it, because you may be surprised at how little you understand the argument.

I'm the one that doesn't understand that God isn't immoral? That is taught throughout scripture. Murder, lying, cheating on your spouse, and stealing aren't moral issues? Jesus taught morality here on earth and was murdered because of it.

I'd say both you and your beloved doctor are the ones who have no understanding of scripture. In fact. I know non Christians who have a much better grasp of who God is than either one of you as they understand that mutder is an immoral act, Millions of non Christians understand that.

 

[Gary K]

Happy Sabbath Gary and @SabbathBlessings. It would more than likely avail nothing. It would be as here; an endless debate. Theological issues let alone philosophical seldom get resolved through this type of venue but we should not stop using it because God works here too.
A sit down face to face is ideal. Not only can they feel the Spirit in the words but God's presence also.

I understand that.

 

[HIM]

It's not implied. I'm outright stating that God is not subject to the standard of morality he gave to humans.

Therefore you say God sins and you agree with the Phareesees that Jesus sinned.
He is our morality. In Him we live move and have our being.It is He that works in us both to will and do His good pleasure.

I do? If anything, I am agreeing with Apostle John, who is in agreement with Christ.

Yes because the pharisees accused Jesus of breaking the Sabbath not John

Which is why context is important. God is good and He can't do but good.

Good has been defined by love and on this hang, depends all the Law and prophets.

But the Law was not perfect. It says so in Hebrews.

So as you are not taken out of context, where?