Israel's future and Pat: Your view

[GraceInHim]

It's called reading a post, not a single line. You see I said that those individuals that accepted Christ became Christians. While they were ethnically Jewish, Greek, Roman, or whatever they became first Chrisians.
What you are attempting to do is paint Christianity and Judaism as being two equal religions. This is not true, there is savlation of all man in Christianity and there is no savlation in Judaism. I don't judge anyone, however I am not going to pretend that the modern state of Israel (which maintains one of the biggest concentrations of atheists in the world) has anything to do with God.

No, I am simply saying the land is Israels.. you want it to go to Islam then join them.. I placed prophecies to show why the land belongs to Israel...

and that God is not finished with Jews.. and they do follow OT.. which we read.. Islam follows a false Prophet which says God has no son.. and I will not judge the Jewish people.. you may..

 

[Archbishop 10-K]

There are 1700 Sanhedrin Preist in Israel getting ready for thier Messiah.. traced back to the bloodline..

Very few Jews take the new "Sanhedrin" seriously. Besides, I highly doubt these new "priests" can trace their bloodline to the Aaronic priesthood, because the Romans destroyed those geneological records. That's why Judaism has been ruled by the heirs of the Pharisees for 2,000 years.

now, if Jews are not Jews, then who did Hitler kill?

He killed people who identified themselves with the Jewish race, along with Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholic priests, and people he just didn't like (Jews account for only half of the Holocaust victims, so the event is not just a "Jewish thing"). This doesn't mean the Jews who died actually descended from Abraham. I doubt Hitler cared whether or not they actually came from Judea.

 

[Archbishop 10-K]

No, I am simply saying the land is Israels.. you want it to go to Islam then join them..

To me, it doesn't really matter who controls the Holy Land. Islam and Talmudism (modern Judaism) both say that "God has no son" and without Christ as Lord, they are just two sides of the same coin. It's like debating whether the place should be ruled by Communists or Nazis. I suppose if I had a choice and it would result in less bloodshed, I'd rather see Christians rule the Holy Land.

I don't see why criticizing the Zionists means we automatically support the Muslims. But I'm tired of the discrimination against Christians. I'm tired of evangelicals turning a blind eye to anti-Christian persecution made by Israelis. I'm tired of Israelis spitting on Catholic and Orthodox priests. I'm especially surprised at how the Israelis got away with firing into the Basilica of the Nativity in Bethlehem (the church built over the site of the manger), killed an altar boy, and got away with it without a peep of outrage from American Zionists. Let's face it: the Israelis may be political allies to the U.S., but in the spirit, they are not our friends.

 

[GraceInHim]

Very few Jews take the new "Sanhedrin" seriously. Besides, I highly doubt these new "priests" can trace their bloodline to the Aaronic priesthood, because the Romans destroyed those geneological records. That's why Judaism has been ruled by the heirs of the Pharisees for 2,000 years.

I heard they found James bones.. many bodies buried from Jesus time and the dna from these.. so are you saying the dna is no good to trace an ancestor

He killed people who identified themselves with the Jewish race, along with Gypsies, Jehovah's Witnesses, Catholic priests, and people he just didn't like (Jews account for only half of the Holocaust victims, so the event is not just a "Jewish thing"). This doesn't mean the Jews who died actually descended from Abraham. I doubt Hitler cared whether or not they actually came from Judea.

Jews were killed by Hitler.. he was Catholic and turned to the Arian religion for prohecy readings.. read the History.. so there are no Jews that he killed but only those who said they were .. ya.... k.

 

[OnTheWay]

please back up this story of Israel being a welfare state from the US.. also why do Palestianians work in Israel.. yes they work in Israel.... seems Israel does not need welfare since they have workers who work for the Country,,

• Since 1987, the US congress has annually been approving a foreign aid bill totaling an average of $3 billion of American taxpayers' money to Israel, $1.2 billion in economical aid, and $1.8 billion in military aid.
• After the gulf war in 1991, the US has additionally been offering Israel $2 billion annually in federal loan guarantees, which brings the total US foreign aid to Israel to about $5 billion, or $13.7 million per day.
• Other forms of aid to Israel are a result of "consequential" aid, such as the approximate $1.5 billion in total tax-deductible private donations from numerous Jewish charities and individual donors. "Consequential" aid to Israel adds up to an approximate $8 billion in total US foreign aid to Israel.
• All in all, this is the largest amount of foreign aid given to a country, and constitutes over 30% of the total amount of US foreign aid budget.

Seriously, you don't know that the US gives 3 BILLION dollars a year in just out right cash to Israel every year?
Firstly, there is no such thing as Palestine as an independant country. Those people that work in Israel and are Arabs are citizens of Israel (after all it is their land the state of Israel is sitting on). I'm sure the tourism industry proivdes a few jobs for some Arabs, however, unemployment among the Arab population is well over 60 percent. I would recommend keeping up with current events. As a tax paying citizens it is wise to know where your money is going.

 

[GraceInHim]

To me, it doesn't really matter who controls the Holy Land. Islam and Talmudism (modern Judaism) both say that "God has no son" and without Christ as Lord, they are just two sides of the same coin. It's like debating whether the place should be ruled by Communists or Nazis. I suppose if I had a choice and it would result in less bloodshed, I'd rather see Christians rule the Holy Land.

I don't see why criticizing the Zionists means we automatically support the Muslims. But I'm tired of the discrimination against Christians. I'm tired of evangelicals turning a blind eye to anti-Christian persecution made by Israelis. I'm tired of Israelis spitting on Catholic and Orthodox priests. I'm especially surprised at how the Israelis got away with firing into the Basilica of the Nativity in Bethlehem (the church built over the site of the manger), killed an altar boy, and got away with it without a peep of outrage from American Zionists. Let's face it: the Israelis may be political allies to the U.S., but in the spirit, they are not our friends.

compared to millions of Jews killed, I would say they have patience and not hate.. what is worse is judging these people who love God and let Jesus judge them.. Pope John Paul was a good man.. he visited Israel and he also was hurt by the times the Jewish were killed in consentration camps.. he felt those days.. need more like him.. man of truth.

 

[OnTheWay]

and that God is not finished with Jews.. and they do follow OT.. which we read.. Islam follows a false Prophet which says God has no son.. and I will not judge the Jewish people.. you may..

God is never finished with anyone, may we offer our humble thanks for His great and boundless mercy. While it is true that Islam is not Christianity so Judaism is a rejection of Christ. It makes no difference.

 

[GraceInHim]

• Since 1987, the US congress has annually been approving a foreign aid

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46382-2005Jan29.html
In Europe, an Unhealthy Fixation on Israel


By Robin Shepherd

BRATISLAVA, Slovakia
It may not have been apparent on the surface, but Europe's recent commemoration of the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz was steeped in irony. Even while the Old World stirringly recalls the horrors of Hitler's death camps and vows never to forget the Nazi genocide of the Jews, it also embraces an increasingly -- and alarmingly -- antagonistic attitude toward the Jewish state that arose from the ashes of World War II.

 

[GraceInHim]

God is never finished with anyone, may we offer our humble thanks for His great and boundless mercy. While it is true that Islam is not Christianity so Judaism is a rejection of Christ. It makes no difference.

one difference.. Jews do not kill to be with virgins in an orgie in Heaven

 

[OnTheWay]

Jews were killed by Hitler.. he was Catholic and turned to the Arian religion for prohecy readings.. read the History.. so there are no Jews that he killed but only those who said they were .. ya.... k.

What you are doing is as silly as using the terms Arab and Muslim as interchangable terms. Jew is both an ethnic and religious term. An individual like St. Paul, who stops practicing Judaism and becomes a Christian is a Christian, not a Jew.
The "aryan" religion, what are you talking about? Hitler was never into Hinduism. Himmler and Rosenburg often toyed with the concepts of eastern and Indian religion, but Hitler became a pretty die hard atheist. As is common with socialists, the state attempts to take on the role of God.
Being an ethnic Jew would certainly have made you a target, but then again so would being Slavic or being anything other than Germanic. However, if you read the history tons of Hitler's SA had Jewish girlfriends and wives. Alfred Rosenburg (who was at least half Jewish, though certainly not a religious Jew) became a top official in Hitler's government. Thus in keeping with reality if your physical apperance wasn't that plain and you could pass then you'd probably have been able to slide through. Wouldn't have recommended going to try and join the SS, but you get the idea.

 

[OnTheWay]

one difference.. Jews do not kill to be with virgins in an orgie in Heaven

Perhaps not, but the fact that they don't believe that doesn't appear to give them any special difficulty in lanuching rockets at car loads of women and children either. In fact most Jews don't believe in an after life of any sort. This game you are tying to play of moral superiority is never going to work. Neither the Jews nor the Arabs behave in a godly manner.

 

[GraceInHim]

What you are doing is as silly as using the terms Arab and Muslim as interchangable terms. Jew is both an ethnic and religious term. An individual like St. Paul, who stops practicing Judaism and becomes a Christian is a Christian, not a Jew.

Hitler wanted all blonde blue eyed people.. if the Jews were not at that time so much population, it would of been Spain.. or Italy.. he chose Jews because they were the highest Population.. so to say they were not Jews is wrong...

Thank you America.. I would be speaking German or dead..

keep this in the subject.. the land is Israels wether you like it or not..

 

[OnTheWay]

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46382-2005Jan29.html
In Europe, an Unhealthy Fixation on Israel


By Robin Shepherd

BRATISLAVA, Slovakia
It may not have been apparent on the surface, but Europe's recent commemoration of the 60th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz was steeped in irony. Even while the Old World stirringly recalls the horrors of Hitler's death camps and vows never to forget the Nazi genocide of the Jews, it also embraces an increasingly -- and alarmingly -- antagonistic attitude toward the Jewish state that arose from the ashes of World War II.

And your point is what? Yes, I would have to admit that the Europeans do take a more balanced approach to the situation. When an Arab sucidie bomber attacks that's all over the news. However, you generally have to go to European news outlets to read about things like Dr. Brauch Goldstein going into a Mosque with an automatic rifle and opening fire on Muslims in prayer. He killed 29 and the only reason it wasn't more is because his rifle jammed and a few Arabs managed to grab him while he was attempting to fix it. Or rocket attacks that kill women and children on the orders of the Israeli state. Sorry, but Israel is no more godly than any other government.

 

[GraceInHim]

Perhaps not, but the fact that they don't believe that doesn't appear to give them any special difficulty in lanuching rockets at car loads of women and children either. In fact most Jews don't believe in an after life of any sort. This game you are tying to play of moral superiority is never going to work. Neither the Jews nor the Arabs behave in a godly manner.

and I see how much you like to go against Jews.. after all they suffered.. I do not defend fanatics who kill thierselves to go to an orgie.. remember America was hit bad..

read Eziekel about Gog & Magog

 

[GraceInHim]

And your point is what? Yes, I would have to admit that the Europeans do take a more balanced approach to the situation. When an Arab sucidie bomber attacks that's all over the news. However, you generally have to go to European news outlets to read about things like Dr. Brauch Goldstein going into a Mosque with an automatic rifle and opening fire on Muslims in prayer. He killed 29 and the only reason it wasn't more is because his rifle jammed and a few Arabs managed to grab him while he was attempting to fix it. Or rocket attacks that kill women and children on the orders of the Israeli state. Sorry, but Israel is no more godly than any other government.

neither is Iran who wants Israel wiped off the Map and Sharon to die..

wake up

 

[OnTheWay]

Hitler wanted all blonde blue eyed people.

Seriously, you need to read some history and not inane urban legends. Hitler had neither blonde hair nor blue eyes. In fact, most Germans have neither blonde hair nor blue eyes. Hitler wanted an ethnically based Empire streaching all over Europe for Germanic peoples. A blonde haired Slav was still a Slav and would have been considered an Untermensch (sub-human) At any rate, what does Hitler even have to do with this?

if the Jews were not at that time so much population, it would of been Spain.. or Italy.. he chose Jews because they were the highest Population.. so to say they were not Jews is wrong...

Once again, you are devoid of any fact. Hitler was an ally of Italy and German soldiers put General Franco in power in Spain. There were more Slavs in Germany than Jews during Hitler's day. So that makes no sense. Historically Hitler acquired his anti-Semitism from the general attitudes of the day and his experience with political contacts in Vienna before the first world war. After which Hitler came to the conclusion that Jewish communists had sold out Germany's war effort and he decided he was going to do something about it.

keep this in the subject.. the land is Israels wether you like it or not..

And they're giving it away whether you like it or not.

 

[OnTheWay]

and I see how much you like to go against Jews.. after all they suffered.. I do not defend fanatics who kill thierselves to go to an orgie.. remember America was hit bad..

How pathetic, the holocaust does not give the Jews the right to murder women and children. I will not simply excuse terrible and unacceptable behavior because of some past event. Blowing yourself up is no more to be defended that a government that uses hit men and indiscriminately fires rockets at car loads of people.
The Arabs behave ungodly and the Jews behave ungodly. Neither side is right.

 

[OnTheWay]

neither is Iran who wants Israel wiped off the Map and Sharon to die..

You really shouldn't like Sharon, he's giving away land in hopes of peace. Thus you seem to be firmly in Robertson's corner hoping that God is striking him down for giving away some ground.

 

[GraceInHim]

How pathetic, the holocaust does not give the Jews the right to murder women and children. I will not simply excuse terrible and unacceptable behavior because of some past event. Blowing yourself up is no more to be defended that a government that uses hit men and indiscriminately fires rockets at car loads of people.
The Arabs behave ungodly and the Jews behave ungodly. Neither side is right.

actually I hope Netanyahoo.. I call him ..LOL wins and becomes Prez... bye now.. good history channel on

 

[GraceInHim]

You really shouldn't like Sharon, he's giving away land in hopes of peace. Thus you seem to be firmly in Robertson's corner hoping that God is striking him down for giving away some ground.

and you should stop judging people... would Jesus like that??