Israel-Hamas Thread II

[Bradskii]

Then it's a good thing Israel isn't killing everyone then right. They are going after Hamas. And if they can get rid of Hamas from Gaza things will work out better for everyone.

Yet you said it was a waste of time. Notwithstanding that this whole debacle is an excellent way of recruiting more terrorists to the Hamas cause. Do you honestly think that will be a surprise to Hamas?

 

[Bradskii]

Because they are being used as propaganda to try and get Israel to let Hamas be. The higher the number can be claimed the more pressure is exerted.

More pressure because more innocent people are being killed. And making sure everyone knows the toll is not biased and misleading, which is how we define propaganda. Especially when the figures are from the Israelis themselves. It's what's called coming to terms with reality. Which most here seem to want to avoid.

 

[Bradskii]

Nope, you don't understand the culture that exists there. The culture of strength and death. They only respect strength not weakness because that is their culture. Being weak leads to being attacked. They only understand strength. They smelled weakness so they attacked Israel.

You don't understand the enemies at all.

Death, weakness, strength, attack...I think we can see where the problem lies.

 

[Bradskii]

Hamas' wasn't the only enemy before they murdered people. In fact their attacks in Israel ENCOURAGED others.

Just answer this simple question. Don't answer it with another. Just a straightforward answer. Do you think the deaths of so many people are increasing or decreasing the number of people who would want to harm Israel?

And anyone can feel free to add a little rainbow icon to this post.

 

[Bradskii]

There is one Jew nation, and that Jew nation, Israel, has done more for the Palestinian people, than any other nation ever.

Thanks for starting with that. It saved me reading the rest.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Hmm!


Palestinians - Wikipedia

No doubt you will define "accept" to mean something different in any reply you make. But the Arab countries (and the Palestinians) think that their rightful home is in Palestine, now called Israel, after the land was taken from them by brute force by Israelis.


Deir Yassin massacre - Wikipedia

Note these murderers were "fighters" not "terrorists".


Right of return - Wikipedia

Reading on -

The attack on Deir Yassin took place a few months after the United Nations had proposed that Palestine be divided into an Arab state and a Jewish one. The Arabs rejected the proposal, and civil war broke out.

In the months leading up to the end of British rule, in a phase of the civil war known as "The Battle of [the] Roads", the Arab League-sponsored Arab Liberation Army (ALA)—composed of Palestinians and other Arabs—attacked Jewish traffic on major roads in an effort to isolate the Jewish communities from each other.[13] The ALA managed to seize several strategic vantage points along the highway between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv—Jerusalem's sole supply route and link to the western side of the city (where 16 percent of all Jews in Palestine lived)—and began firing on convoys traveling to the city. By March 1948, the road was cut off and Jerusalem was under siege. In response, the Haganah launched Operation Nachshon to break the siege. On April 6, in an effort to secure strategic positions, the Haganah and its strike force, the Palmach, attacked al-Qastal, a village two kilometers north of Deir Yassin overlooking the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv highway.

This happened in the context of a 'civil war' and an apology was made to Jordan.

Like in the 80's in Jerusalem when the Baptist Church was burned down by Jewish extremists and the Jews were so embarrassed that they financed the rebuilding.

 

[Vanellus]

Nothing in war is known "for sure" until after the war ends, and even then, 3rd parties may not be able to independently verify claims. However, there was in fact a tunnel found on the hospital grounds. What lies beneath may or may not be known to the Israelis (obviously the IDF is not going to compromise it's intel sources and capabilities). I know if I were an Israeli commander, I would not be sending my troops into the tunnels to find out. The last news release I saw was based on drones were inserted into the entrance, with images of a closed, heavily foritified door leading further into the tunnel.

So maybe the Israeli ambassador to the UK shouldn't say unequivocally there is a terror city under Gaza city if she doesn't that this is the case - and this applies to all the other similar unequivocal statements.

 

[Valletta]

No they are butchering children with bombs. Whatever their wishes may be is another matter. Not acceptable. Not godly.

Hamas must be stopped from killing the children. The quicker they are eliminated the more can be saved.

 

[Vanellus]

Jordan is their home - they are not refugees.

In 1948 Israel was given to the Jews and Transjordan was given to the Palestinians.

The UN partition plan was in 1947.

Arab rejection was...based on the fact that, while the population of the Jewish state was to be [only half] Jewish with the Jews owning less than 10% of the Jewish state land area, the Jews were to be established as the ruling body — a settlement which no self-respecting people would accept without protest, to say the least...The action of the United Nations conflicted with the basic principles for which the world organization was established, namely, to uphold the right of all peoples to self-determination. By denying the Palestine Arabs, who formed the two-thirds majority of the country, the right to decide for themselves, the United Nations had violated its own charter.” Sami Hadawi, “Bitter Harvest.”

While the Yishuv’s leadership formally accepted the 1947 Partition Resolution, large sections of Israel’s society — including...Ben-Gurion — were opposed to or extremely unhappy with partition and from early on viewed the war as an ideal opportunity to expand the new state’s borders beyond the UN earmarked partition boundaries and at the expense of the Palestinians.” Israeli historian, Benny Morris, in “Tikkun”, March/April 1998.

 

[Carl Emerson]

The UN partition plan was in 1947.

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Arab rejection was...based on the fact that, while the population of the Jewish state was to be [only half] Jewish with the Jews owning less than 10% of the Jewish state land area, the Jews were to be established as the ruling body — a settlement which no self-respecting people would accept without protest, to say the least...The action of the United Nations conflicted with the basic principles for which the world organization was established, namely, to uphold the right of all peoples to self-determination. By denying the Palestine Arabs, who formed the two-thirds majority of the country, the right to decide for themselves, the United Nations had violated its own charter.” Sami Hadawi, “Bitter Harvest.”

While the Yishuv’s leadership formally accepted the 1947 Partition Resolution, large sections of Israel’s society — including...Ben-Gurion — were opposed to or extremely unhappy with partition and from early on viewed the war as an ideal opportunity to expand the new state’s borders beyond the UN earmarked partition boundaries and at the expense of the Palestinians.” Israeli historian, Benny Morris, in “Tikkun”, March/April 1998.

The British gave land to the Jews and the Arabs back in 1946.

 

[Vanellus]

Reading on -

The attack on Deir Yassin took place a few months after the United Nations had proposed that Palestine be divided into an Arab state and a Jewish one. The Arabs rejected the proposal, and civil war broke out.

In the months leading up to the end of British rule, in a phase of the civil war known as "The Battle of [the] Roads", the Arab League-sponsored Arab Liberation Army (ALA)—composed of Palestinians and other Arabs—attacked Jewish traffic on major roads in an effort to isolate the Jewish communities from each other.[13] The ALA managed to seize several strategic vantage points along the highway between Jerusalem and Tel Aviv—Jerusalem's sole supply route and link to the western side of the city (where 16 percent of all Jews in Palestine lived)—and began firing on convoys traveling to the city. By March 1948, the road was cut off and Jerusalem was under siege. In response, the Haganah launched Operation Nachshon to break the siege. On April 6, in an effort to secure strategic positions, the Haganah and its strike force, the Palmach, attacked al-Qastal, a village two kilometers north of Deir Yassin overlooking the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv highway.

This happened in the context of a 'civil war' and an apology was made to Jordan.

Like in the 80's in Jerusalem when the Baptist Church was burned down by Jewish extremists and the Jews were so embarrassed that they financed the rebuilding.

Is this your attempt at justifying the Deir Yassin massacre? It's sick.

 

[Vanellus]

The British gave land to the Jews and the Arabs back in 1946.

In your previous post you wrote 1948. Are you sure you know which date and which settlement you are referring to?

 

[essentialsaltes]

The British gave land to the Jews and the Arabs back in 1946.

The British just left.

Possibly they cried "Not It!" as they left.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Hamas must be stopped from killing the children. The quicker they are eliminated the more can be saved.

The more quickly Israel 'eliminates' Hamas, the greater the proportion of children it kills in Gaza.

Many here have supported Israel's prosecution of the war, complaining that it would be too slow and tedious to avoid greater civilian casualties.

 

[Valletta]

The more quickly Israel 'eliminates' Hamas, the greater the proportion of children it kills in Gaza.

Many here have supported Israel's prosecution of the war, complaining that it would be too slow and tedious to avoid greater civilian casualties.

There is only one group murdering children, that is Hamas.

 

[truthpls]

You said 'they were lying.' I asked why you thought Saul was lying. I didn't say anything about Israel.

The question stands unanswered.

You said this

"
'They're killing everyone!'
'But they said that God told them to'.
'Oh. My bad. Sorry to have interrupted'. "

Nowher is 'Saul' mentioned. Considering the thread I assumed it was Israel. If not you need to specify

 

[truthpls]

Hamas must be stopped from killing the children. The quicker they are eliminated the more can be saved.

No one said do not eliminate them. Don't eliminate children. Or civilians.

 

[essentialsaltes]

There is only one group murdering children, that is Hamas.

Since the initial terrorist attack, Hamas has not been in a position to kill many additional children.

For the past two months it has primarily been the IDF killing children, roughly 100 times as many as Hamas killed.

 

[Valletta]

Since the initial terrorist attack, Hamas has not been in a position to kill many additional children.

For the past two months it has primarily been the IDF killing children, roughly 100 times as many as Hamas killed.

All of the propaganda in the world does not mask the true actions of Hamas, the rape, torture, execution, the lying, the breaking of the cease fire.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

The more quickly Israel 'eliminates' Hamas, the greater the proportion of children it kills in Gaza.

Many here have supported Israel's prosecution of the war, complaining that it would be too slow and tedious to avoid greater civilian casualties.

The problem is, if Hamas is not stopped, Oct 7th will repeat.

Even then, you still have Hezbollah and other proxies of Iran who want to destroy Israel. What is the solution here?