Israel-Hamas Thread II

[civilwarbuff]

Not that I'm aware. And I'm not talking simply about the accuracy. You reject numbers complaining that they aren't that high. Why does the number matter?

It's just a statistic, right?
Stalin thought the same as you:
One death is a tragedy, a million deaths a statistic.
attributed; first attributed to Stalin in the form ‘If only one man dies of hunger, that is a tragedy. If millions die, that’s only statistics’ in Washington Post 20 January 1947; see Tucholsky

 

[civilwarbuff]

Hundreds of staff at U.S. Jewish organizations sign letter for cease-fire​

More than 500 employees of 142 U.S. Jewish organizations — from synagogues and advocacy groups to seminaries and museums — released a letter Thursday to President Biden calling for a cease-fire and the return of hostages, an effort to reflect the diversity of U.S. Jewish opinion on the Israel-Gaza war.
Dozens of signers wrote “anonymous,” which organizers said reflected the “immense pressure to remain silent” facing them because “many of the organizations they work for — and the donors who fund them — have not called for a ceasefire.”

That's an easy and simple thing to do......especially when you are not the one being shot at.

 

[Robban]

That's an easy and simple thing to do......especially when you are not the one being shot at.

Urging for non-ceasefire is also easy and simple thing to do when you are not being shot at.

 

[Valletta]

Israel today killing civilians is not ordered by God. Anyone claiming that is lying

Israel is trying to save hostages held by a jihadist group that has butchered and tortured and rape women, the elderly and babies. They need the help of the world, including the Palestinians, to stop the savagery.

 

[civilwarbuff]

Urging for non-ceasefire is also easy and simple thing to do when you are not being shot at.

Israel doesn't seem to want a ceasefire and they ARE the ones being shot at.....plus theirs is the only opinion that really matters.

 

[Valletta]

Try not bombing them at home and in the streets and in medical center areas and while fleeing etc etc Meanwhile, when Israel does these things and more, any pretense they are humane is propaganda onlly

Hamas is killing those who try to flee.

 

[Valletta]

Also on Monday, at the United Nations headquarters former Meta executive Sheryl Sandberg hosted an event to spotlight the sexual crimes perpetrated on October 7. That meeting was necessary because it’s not just Hamas denying there were sexual crimes committed, but Western apologists, as well.

And yet, international women’s groups that were created in order to advocate for women in just these kinds of circumstances remain silent.

Hamas tortured hostages. But the Pro-Palestine left won't admit it

In Gaza, as the first hostage releases of Israeli civilians began over a week ago, online comments rolled in about how happy they were with their captors; how well-treated they were by the militants that murdered their families and kidnapped them. Some even joked that over the course of their...

www.yahoo.com

 

[Robban]

Israel doesn't seem to want a ceasefire and they ARE the ones being shot at.....plus theirs is the only opinion that really matters.

What is there to say?

In youth one learns to talk,
in maturity one learns to be silent
this is man's problem,

That he learns to talk before he learns to be silent.

 

[wing2000]

IDF is claiming Hamas fired rockets from a designated "humanitarian zone":

As Israel’s offensive pushes Palestinian civilians into ever smaller pockets of land with scant supplies, the military said on Thursday that Hamas militants fired rockets from what it called “humanitarian zones” in southern Gaza, adding to concerns that nowhere in the enclave was fully safe for civilians.

The Israeli military posted maps, satellite photos and a video that it said showed rockets had been fired toward Israel from multiple locations, including Al-Mawasi, a barren area in Gaza’s Rafah province that has become crowded in recent days as Israeli forces have directed people fleeing fighting to go there.

The material and Israel’s account of them could not immediately be verified.

It was not clear whether Israel would now regard the area as a legitimate military target. An Israeli military spokesman, Maj. Nir Dinar, said he could not discuss future operations. Gazans were being “updated frequently in various ways” about Israeli military activities, Major Dinar said.


Al-Mawasi and the surrounding Rafah area are among the few remaining places Israel’s military has told displaced Gazans they can seek safety as it mounts an offensive in southern Gaza aimed at rooting out Hamas militants responsible for the Oct. 7 terror attacks in Israel.

Israel-Hamas War: Israel Releases Evidence It Says Shows Hamas Operates Near Civilian Shelters (Published 2023)

The Israeli military posted unverified videos and maps that it claims showed rockets had been fired from areas in southern Gaza where civilians were seeking shelter.

www.nytimes.com

 

[rjs330]

The story about beheading babies has now been admitted as false by the mainstream Israeli newspaper Haaretz. Maybe it is time for you to admit you were wrong here.

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news...be24f0000?lts=1701879398744&lts=1701879937236

I wonder why people are very obsessed with beheading in general. We somehow abhor it as one of the worst things. I wonder if you were to ask people if they would rather be shot in the head or have your head chopped off if most would rather be shot in the head.

And when someone focused on the fact the disapproval of babies being beheaded then it's like some sort of a special point. Meanwhile babies were still killed and burned alive. Women were still raped. Bones were still broken and girls were [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] in the head while in the middle of being raped. But hey let's focus on babies weren't actually beheaded. And if you notice the article was geared toward the idea that a false story feeds the deniers. Are some trying to say it's not so bad because babies weren't beheaded? I mean what's the end game with using a story like this. Hamas is not as bad as we thought? After all they didn't behead babies they just burned them alive?

Let's just say, "okay the babies weren't beheaded like the stories that came out at first indicated."

Just like the story that Israel hit the hospital with a missile killing 500 people etc. or whatever the number was. Only to find out it was a Hamas rocket that didn't even hit the hospital directly.

Much that is going on over their is driven by the media who doesn't seem to want to bother with verification before they spread the word. Or even ask for it and it's spread all over the internet.

Anyway, I personally am willing to admit that when I spread the story of baby beheadings it was wrong. But that is no way whatsoever diminishes what Hamas and Palestinians civilians did the the Jews that day.

 

[rjs330]

IDF is claiming Hamas fired rockets from a designated "humanitarian zone":

As Israel’s offensive pushes Palestinian civilians into ever smaller pockets of land with scant supplies, the military said on Thursday that Hamas militants fired rockets from what it called “humanitarian zones” in southern Gaza, adding to concerns that nowhere in the enclave was fully safe for civilians.

The Israeli military posted maps, satellite photos and a video that it said showed rockets had been fired toward Israel from multiple locations, including Al-Mawasi, a barren area in Gaza’s Rafah province that has become crowded in recent days as Israeli forces have directed people fleeing fighting to go there.

The material and Israel’s account of them could not immediately be verified.

It was not clear whether Israel would now regard the area as a legitimate military target. An Israeli military spokesman, Maj. Nir Dinar, said he could not discuss future operations. Gazans were being “updated frequently in various ways” about Israeli military activities, Major Dinar said.


Al-Mawasi and the surrounding Rafah area are among the few remaining places Israel’s military has told displaced Gazans they can seek safety as it mounts an offensive in southern Gaza aimed at rooting out Hamas militants responsible for the Oct. 7 terror attacks in Israel.

Israel-Hamas War: Israel Releases Evidence It Says Shows Hamas Operates Near Civilian Shelters (Published 2023)

The Israeli military posted unverified videos and maps that it claims showed rockets had been fired from areas in southern Gaza where civilians were seeking shelter.

www.nytimes.com

Well I don't know why this would t be true. I mean it's what Hamas has done forever. It's not like this would be a surprise or a change of tactics. I think it would be perfectly okay to be skeptical if Hamas never did this. But it's obviously par for the course for them. Once again putting their own people in grave danger.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Hmm!


Palestinians - Wikipedia

No doubt you will define "accept" to mean something different in any reply you make. But the Arab countries (and the Palestinians) think that their rightful home is in Palestine, now called Israel, after the land was taken from them by brute force by Israelis.


Deir Yassin massacre - Wikipedia

Note these murderers were "fighters" not "terrorists".


Right of return - Wikipedia

Jordan is their home - they are not refugees.

In 1948 Israel was given to the Jews and Transjordan was given to the Palestinians.

 

[MForbes]

Jordan is their home - they are not refugees.

In 1948 Israel was given to the Jews and Transjordan was given to the Palestinians.

Transjordan was recognized as an independent country in 1946, and was NOT given to the Palestinians in 1948. You need to look into what happened in 1948 and see that the United Nations partition plan for Palestine divided it up into Jewish State and an Arab State.

 

[rjs330]

Try not bombing them at home and in the streets and in medical center areas and while fleeing etc etc Meanwhile, when Israel does these things and more, any pretense they are humane is propaganda onlly

If only Hamas wouldn't be stationed there. That would be great. If Hamas would kill their own people who were trying to escape that would be great. If only those people around Hamas were not Hamas supporters that would be also great.

Israel is very humane and doesn't target civilians specifically. They target Hamas. And if their supporters are around they get hit too in the process. And then other civilians who might be there end up collateral damage all due to the fact Hamas would try killing them if they tried to leave.

 

[Carl Emerson]

Transjordan was recognized as an independent country in 1946, and was NOT given to the Palestinians in 1948. You need to look into what happened in 1948 and see that the United Nations partition plan for Palestine divided it up into Jewish State and an Arab State.

Sorry my mistake, I should have said in 1946 the British gave Transjordan to the Arabs.

 

[rjs330]

Transjordan was recognized as an independent country in 1946, and was NOT given to the Palestinians in 1948. You need to look into what happened in 1948 and see that the United Nations partition plan for Palestine divided it up into Jewish State and an Arab State.

Right and Israel made it their country. The Palestinians refused to make theirs a country and instead with other Arabs they attacked Israel. And so the saga continues to this day. The Palestinians had so many chances and refused them all. It's completely their own fault they are in this position today.

 

[truthpls]

Israel is trying to save hostages held by a jihadist group that has butchered and tortured and rape women, the elderly and babies. They need the help of the world, including the Palestinians, to stop the savagery.

No they are butchering children with bombs. Whatever their wishes may be is another matter. Not acceptable. Not godly.

 

[truthpls]

Hamas is killing those who try to flee.

Some say otherwise. We do know convoys and ambulances etc were attacked by Israel. That'll do er

 

[truthpls]

If only Hamas wouldn't be stationed there.

Too bad they live there also. No excuse for wiping people out.

That would be great. If Hamas would kill their own people who were trying to escape that would be great. If only those people around Hamas were not Hamas supporters that would be also great.

Regardless of the bogey man or whatever else you want to blame it on, Israel is bombing children to death

Israel is very humane and doesn't target civilians specifically.

Baloney. They attacked a heavily populated area, all claims of being humane are out the window.

They target Hamas.

False. They targeted apartments etc

And if their supporters are around they get hit too in the process.

So babies are supporters?

And then other civilians who might be there end up collateral damage all due to the fact Hamas would try killing them if they tried to leave.

Says the IDF?

 

[Bradskii]

Israel today killing civilians is not ordered by God. Anyone claiming that is lying

You said 'they were lying.' I asked why you thought Saul was lying. I didn't say anything about Israel.

The question stands unanswered.