Israel-Hamas Thread II

[rjs330]

Prove all doctors Israel arrested or killed were 'Hamas supporting'?

Hey did they check everyone in this school they bombed today?

"

Israel-Hamas war live: ‘At least 27’ killed in Israeli bombing of UN school"​

Israel-Hamas war updates: Israel bombs UN school, killing ‘at least 27’

Attack comes ahead of the expected beginning of a truce and release of captives and prisoners on Friday.

www.aljazeera.com

Your thin pretense that Israel has been honorable has grown ridiculous.

Also in some ambulance attacks no one was stopped, just bombed!


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Israel bombs ambulance convoy near Gaza’s largest hospital "​

Israel bombs ambulance convoy near Gaza’s largest hospital

UN Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said he was ‘horrified’ by the attack.

www.politico.eu

Of course when they hit civilians or targets considered illegal war crimes, they claim 'Hamas' was there!

"Israel says it hit an ambulance used by Hamas. Gaza officials say it was carrying the wounded.​

It was a harrowing scene of chaos that left several people killed and dozens wounded outside the Al Shifa hospital in Gaza City.

Israel says it hit an ambulance used by Hamas. Gaza officials say it was carrying the wounded.

It was a harrowing scene of chaos that left several people killed and dozens wounded outside the Al Shifa hospital in Gaza City.

www.nbcnews.com

Yup killing Hamas! Good for them! That's the only way to win.

 

[rjs330]

Assuming that every building that Israel has destroyed was "being used by Hamas" then wouldn't that make the manpower strength of Hamas to be in the 100,000s at least

Oh and you know this how?

 

[Bradskii]

First off real friends would stand by them and trust them to do what is necessary.

I don't know any of my friends that I think of in a way where I'd be reluctant to say 'I see why you are doing what you are doing, but I have to be honest, looking at this from the outside, and tell you that it's not beneficial to you'. If I was afraid of doing that then I wouldn't class the relationship as a friendship.

That's what real friends do. They are, if necessary, brutally honest. And they are because they care for their friends well being.

Your mileage may vary.

 

[truthpls]

I dont know and neither do you. Yes nurses certainly can be Hamas or supporters of them as well as kids. Your ignorance is astounding.

Anyone can be all sorts of things. You don't mass murder people because they 'could be' something.

Because they didn't need to. It's because Israel only kills when necessary.

That is proven false long ago.

Why don't you get that? Hamas kills whether it's necessary or not.

Who cares what they do? The issue is the civilians being killed in Gaza. Hamas is not killing in Gaza

It's not up to me to prove. But it has been a known tactic of Hamas. They admitted it

Then it's not up to you to make claims you can't support.

Hamas wouldn't do such a thing, you say, Hamas wouldn't have doctors or nurses as part of their organization or their support group. Hamas wouldn't lie about anything.

No one cares whether some terrorists woulda coulda should mighta done something. You do not blow up a highly populated area on such ridiculous generalizations and daydreaming.

We all know who you support now. It's pretty obvious.

I support Scripture. It tells us Jesus loves the little children. Israel should get on board

 

[truthpls]

Yup killing Hamas! Good for them! That's the only way to win.

Doctors and children etc are not 'hamas'. They are people. Mass murder of civilians is not 'killing hamas' Imagining there must have been a few hamas in the thousands and thousands of people bombed is insanity and no justification.

 

[Vanellus]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...uction-destroy-israel-strikes-reconstruction/

Israel has utterly devastated Gaza​

Even if the fighting stopped today, huge swaths of Gaza have been reduced to rubble. According to the U.N. Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs, which cited data from local authorities in Hamas-controlled Gaza, some 45 percent of all of Gaza’s housing units have already either been destroyed or severely damaged. By one measure, it took four years of conflict in Syria to destroy a comparable share of what Israel pulverized in a matter of weeks.
Israel dropped thousands of munitions daily on targets across Gaza, but especially in the territory’s north. The city of Beit Hanoun, once home to more than 50,000 people, is a ruin where “barely a single inhabitable building remains standing,” according to a visiting Israeli journalist earlier this month. Satellite imagery and drone footage show how the town’s once crowded, bustling streets are now a moonscape of debris and blasted buildings. Researchers examining satellite evidence estimate that perhaps more than half the buildings in north Gaza are damaged.

 

[Vanellus]

I agree it is crazy and all wrapped around hate

Sadly I'm seeing from this thread that there are many people like Seldowitz in the US.

 

[Chesterton]

Israel has utterly devastated Gaza​

"Elections have consequences." - Barack Hussein Obama

 

[Valletta]

We're not talking about what happens after Hamas is defeated. We're talking about the manner in which they are defeated. Haven't you noticed that this is what everyone is discussing?

The quicker Hamas is defeated the better.

 

[truthpls]

Sadly I'm seeing from this thread that there are many people like Seldowitz in the US.

Even sadder is that major denominations and preachers make out like God is with Israel in this terrorism

 

[Carl Emerson]

Even sadder is that major denominations and preachers make out like God is with Israel in this terrorism

What is terrorism ???

When Britain bombed Dresden - was that terrorism?

 

[rjs330]

I don't know any of my friends that I think of in a way where I'd be reluctant to say 'I see why you are doing what you are doing, but I have to be honest, looking at this from the outside, and tell you that it's not beneficial to you'. If I was afraid of doing that then I wouldn't class the relationship as a friendship.

That's what real friends do. They are, if necessary, brutally honest. And they are because they care for their friends well being.

Your mileage may vary.

That's why I said with Israel you could show them that the current methods could be improved and show them how. But if you got nothing but "stop", well that's not being a helpful friend. A good friend recognizes when something must be done and helps them complete the task. They don't stand back and criticize how their doing it without an alternative way. All their so called friends are doing is "stop". You'll just have to take on the chin for another however many years. Then if you act again we'll just tell you to stop. Cause you know we are friends.

What Israel needs are friends who recognize what exactly they are fighting and encourage them to keep on. Offer them help, offer them advice on how to do it better. But don't tell them to stop because the moment they do, the enemy will see it as weakness.and Israel will be back where they started.

Yes I agree that friends can and should be brutally honest with each other. But a real friend in this situation would have some real knowledge and understanding of the real fight. I don't think some of these so called friends have any idea what they are dealing with.

If Sydney was being attacked by Melbourn every week, losing citizens and then Melbourne came into the city and killed 1200 then told Sydney they were going to do it again and again and they would never stop. I think Sydney might have a different view. Especially if they new that it WAS going to happen.

I used the neighbor analogy to. You know what I heard? Crickets. Funny how people don't have a lot to say when it's personalized.
It's easy from the outside to tell people they just have to suck it up. It's another thing when when it's your family being killed and you have people telling you that hey if you fight back and harm someone else that your killers are hiding behind them you have to stop and just deal with your family being killed.

 

[rjs330]

Anyone can be all sorts of things. You don't mass murder people because they 'could be' something.

That is proven false long ago.

Who cares what they do? The issue is the civilians being killed in Gaza. Hamas is not killing in Gaza

Then it's not up to you to make claims you can't support.


No one cares whether some terrorists woulda coulda should mighta done something. You do not blow up a highly populated area on such ridiculous generalizations and daydreaming.

I support Scripture. It tells us Jesus loves the little children. Israel should get on board

Interesting you told Israel to get on board, but didn't say a thing about Hamas. In fact it's telling that you never say anything about them. Where have you been all these years when Hamas was killing Jews?

Hamas and Palestinians have been showing us what they would do. They have been telling us what they would do if they could. They would wipe out Israel. Israel could wipe out Palestine if they wanted to. But they don't. The Palestinians would t be so kind.

 

[rjs330]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...uction-destroy-israel-strikes-reconstruction/

Israel has utterly devastated Gaza​

I guess Hamas should've surrendered then. They shouldn't have been fighting and hiding in the buildings. That's Hamas' fault.

 

[rjs330]

What is terrorism ???

When Britain bombed Dresden - was that terrorism?

Yes to a large number on the left it was. The left would rather Americans be sacrificed. As long as it's not them but the way. I have a sneaking suspicion they would feel differently if they were the ones in the front lines trying to defeat the evil. They sit in their cozy little arm chairs where the only bullets and rockets they have to face are typed out on a keyboard.

Far too many are so protected and naive.

 

[Carl Emerson]

I notice no Americans among the hostages to be released...

Any comments on that ?

 

[rjs330]

I notice no Americans among the hostages to be released...

Any comments on that ?

Well no pressure from Joe on that. Or at least Hamas isn't taking him seriously.

 

[Bradskii]

Yes to a large number on the left it was. The left would rather Americans be sacrificed. As long as it's not them but the way. I have a sneaking suspicion they would feel differently if they were the ones in the front lines trying to defeat the evil. They sit in their cozy little arm chairs where the only bullets and rockets they have to face are typed out on a keyboard.

Far too many are so protected and naive.

Whoa, whoa, whoa...there weren't many Americans getting blown out of their armchairs in the US. But many citizens were deliberately killed in their own homes in the UK and Germany for no other reason than to try and destroy moral. My home town in the UK was flattened a number of times and hundreds killed, a few in my actual street. My parents and grandparents often spent the night huddled in a corrugated iron bomb shelter partly buried in our back garden. I always remember that if my grandmother watched a TV programme that had the sound of an air raid siren, she would become visibly upset.

There may have been 'front lines' but the war wasn't restricted to those areas. The whole of Europe was a battleground. The Germans obliterated Coventry (the centre, not the industrial outskirts) because the British had bombed Munich. So then they bombed Dresden. For no other reason than revenge. It was simply madness. Hundreds of thousands of non combatants, men, women and children incinerated. War crimes in my opinion. Read this from the man who organised these attacks, Head of the RAF, 'Bomber' Harris:

'I ... assume that the view under consideration is something like this: no doubt in the past we were justified in attacking German cities. But to do so was always repugnant and now that the Germans are beaten anyway we can properly abstain from proceeding with these attacks. This is a doctrine to which I could never subscribe.'

Wonderful position, eh? They are beaten...but we're still going to bomb their cities.

 

[truthpls]

What is terrorism ???

When Britain bombed Dresden - was that terrorism?

Why always try to deflect and find excuses and somewhere else to point the finger? There has been a lot of war crimes through history. What is happening to Gaza ranks up there near the top as far as I am concerned in heartlessness. The Germans at least had modern weapons and planes to fight back. Now the minorities they killed and put in camps did not. That is where the comparison really lies.
Add to that the myth that Israel is supposed to be somehow connected to God because of past history (when they were believers) and the monstrous atrocities become even more stark.
Then pile on the filthy attempted justification by famous Christian pastors and denominations and the whole thing stinks to the highest heavens.

 

[truthpls]

Interesting you told Israel to get on board, but didn't say a thing about Hamas. In fact it's telling that you never say anything about them. Where have you been all these years when Hamas was killing Jews?

Hamas is not prophesied to get saved one day in the future Israel is. So suggesting they get with His plan ASAP is appropriate.

Hamas and Palestinians have been showing us what they would do.

As Israel has been doing also.

They have been telling us what they would do if they could.

So? If they wanted to ride moonbeams and eat only strawberry custard and never work another day in their lives, does that mean anything? Oppressed people having a little blah blah bravado is not big news

They would wipe out Israel. Israel could wipe out Palestine if they wanted to. But they don't. The Palestinians would t be so kind.

If the relatively few terrorists were president of the world and universe, you might have a point. As it is, it doesn't amount to mush more than ghetto talk. No reason to blow up children