Is there salvation in Mary?

[Landon Caeli]

Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed are thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen.

 

[Landon Caeli]

You know what . . . it's probably about time that we do our Roman Catholic brothers and sisters (and the others) a favour by leaving you alone; as you regularly hand yourself to us on a plate - you simply make yourself a very tempting and tantalising target.

HAIL, HOLY QUEEN, Mother of Mercy, our life, our sweetness and our hope! To thee do we cry, poor banished children of Eve; to thee do we send up our sighs, mourning and weeping in this vale of tears. Turn then, most gracious advocate, thine eyes of mercy toward us, and after this our exile, show unto us the blessed fruit of thy womb, Jesus. O clement, O loving, O sweet Virgin Mary!



V. Pray for us, O Holy Mother of God.
R. That we may be made worthy of the promises of Christ.
Let us pray. O GOD, whose only begotten Son, by His life, death, and resurrection, has purchased for us the rewards of eternal life, grant, we beseech Thee, that meditating upon these mysteries of the Most Holy Rosary of the Blessed Virgin Mary, we may imitate what they contain and obtain what they promise, through the same Christ Our Lord. Amen.

 

[tz620q]

So was the CC being guided by the Holy Spirit when they killed people as heretics? Let's just take one example, William Tyndale. So when the CC hunted down Tyndale and burned him alive at the stake for being a heretic for printing the bible in English was that the Holy Spirit guiding the CC?

Please look up the death of Tyndale and stop posting false histories.

 

[2Timothy2:15]

Please look up the death of Tyndale and stop posting false histories.

It is you who needs to study the story of Tyndale. The CC was directly involved, look it up. Please do not accuse me of spreading false history when you yourself are obviously ignorant to history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tyndale

Cardinal Wolsey condemned Tyndale as a heretic, first stated in open court in January 1529.[24]

This is what got him killed.

http://www.eternallifeblog.com/martyr-william-tyndale/

“I defy the Pope and all his laws“; and said: “If God spare my life, ere many years I will cause a boy that driveth the plough shall know more of the Scripture than thou dost.” (Tyndale’s New Testament, Copyright 1989 by Yale University, p. viii, emphasis mine)

Here is the full conversation as recorded by history..

Years before Tyndale’s martyrdom, a Catholic priest had taunted Tyndale, “We are better to be without God’s laws than the Pope’s.” Angered, Tyndale responded simply, echoing Erasmus: “If God spare my life ere many years, I will cause the boy that drives the plow to know more of the Scriptures than you!”

So you deny the fact that the CC murdered during the Inquisition? I am sure you think it was a nice questioning then they just let folks go. It is really mind boggling how Catholics just pick and chose the history of their church and ignore hundreds of years of murder.

 

[Major1]

The 'Church' is not one 'individual'. We had some very bad Popes but still the church stands! These 'individuals' worked for their own needs and not the needs of the 'church'.

Jesus has still stood by 'his' church, the CC. Through bad times, he has remained the 'Cornerstone'.

Yes, some walls may have crumbled or a bit of roof may have caused problems but remember, 'THE' church, 'THE CATHOLIC CHURCH' Has a solid foundation!!!! It cannot be washed away, however much the devil tries!

A bad Pope or 2 etc, does not make a bad church! These 'Popes' were not 'true' Popes. They had their 'own' agenda!

The church still stands today! Stronger because of the Holy Spirit.

Blessings Buddy

Instead of pointing to bad Popes, and there have been a lot of them, we need to remember Jimmy Swagert and Jim Baker, Jim Jones, and David Koresh and the list goes on and on and on of corrupt Protestant leaders as well as Catholic.

Evil knows no religious boundaries for the Bible says that "ALL have sinned and come short of the approval of God".

 

[2Timothy2:15]

Instead of pointing to bad Popes, and there have been a lot of them, we need to remember Jimmy Swagert and Jim Baker, Jim Jones, and David Koresh and the list goes on and on and on of corrupt Protestant leaders as well as Catholic.

Evil knows no religious boundaries for the Bible says that "ALL have sinned and come short of the approval of God".

First of all Jim Jones and David Koresh were cult leaders and NOT Christians and most definitely not some Protestant Leaders.

Jim Baker was identified by many as being a false teacher and corrupt even in the height of his ministry, never the less he did not declare himself the "leader" of the Protestants, infallible and Christs representative on earth. Also, fairly certain that Baker did not murder anyone or order anyone to be murdered as well. It is laughable to try and draw this parallel.

 

[Goatee]

You know what . . . it's probably about time that we do our Roman Catholic brothers and sisters (and the others) a favour by leaving you alone; as you regularly hand yourself to us on a plate - you simply make yourself a very tempting and tantalising target.

Of which, you fail to shoot down! You just have no answer! And mostly, the wrong answers! lol

Nice to see that you take notice of what is said about the CC. Why not join!

 

[Goatee]

Instead of pointing to bad Popes, and there have been a lot of them, we need to remember Jimmy Swagert and Jim Baker, Jim Jones, and David Koresh and the list goes on and on and on of corrupt Protestant leaders as well as Catholic.

Evil knows no religious boundaries for the Bible says that "ALL have sinned and come short of the approval of God".

Agreed 100%.

 

[Major1]

Please look up the death of Tyndale and stop posting false histories.

Really?

It seems to me that I remember that the death of Tyndale was because of what John Wycliffe did before him. Wycliff was a noted opponent of the Catholic Church, who argued that the RCC was doing many things that were not Biblical and the RCC did not like to be corrected.

For one thing, he said that it was a sin and contrary to Christian doctrine for the Church to own property. This, naturally, was not a proposition welcomed by the wealthiest organisation in Europe. Wycliffe's teachings also encouraged popular discontent with authority in general, and many people blamed his ideas for the Peasants' Revolt of 1381. When he went on to challenge the doctrine of Transubstantiation - the belief that communion wafers and wine literally transform into the body and blood of Christ during mass - he crossed the line into overt heresy, allowing the Church authorities to take action against him.

Nevertheless, while his doctrines were condemned Wycliffe himself was never put on trial; he died of natural causes from a stroke. He was actually condemned as a heretic 31 years after his death; his corpse was then dug up again and posthumously burned at the stake.

Then William Tyndale a century later ran into similar problems. He was not condemned for translating the Bible, but for allegedly mistranslating it in a heretical fashion. Sir Thomas More charged him with replacing the words for 'priest' and 'Church' with the English words 'elder' and 'congregation' instead - which would mean that instead of the orthodox Catholic hierarchy with priests who were set aside from and elevated over the common people, Tyndale's Bible now seemed to say that any group of Christians could get together as a congregation, elect some senior member of their group as their leader, and claim that his (or her) authority was equal to that of the Pope himself! It's unsurprising that the Church considered that to be heresy.

 

[Major1]

First of all Jim Jones and David Koresh were cult leaders and NOT Christians and most definitely not some Protestant Leaders.

Jim Baker was identified by many as being a false teacher and corrupt even in the height of his ministry, never the less he did not declare himself the "leader" of the Protestants, infallible and Christs representative on earth. Also, fairly certain that Baker did not murder anyone or order anyone to be murdered as well. It is laughable to try and draw this parallel.

I am just saying that evil actions are not only seen in the actions of Catholic Popes but also in Protestant leaders whether they be main line Protestants or cults.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Probably 90% plus of all people believe a false history. They may never find out or even hear that what they were taught growing up (by anyone) is false.

Please look up the death of Tyndale and stop posting false histories.

 

[Goatee]

Probably 90% plus of all people believe a false history. They may never find out or even hear that what they were taught growing up (by anyone) is false.

But, 'You' are not living with any false beliefs? You 'know' 100% that you are right and everyone else is wrong!

God bless you buddy

 

[tz620q]

It is you who needs to study the story of Tyndale. The CC was directly involved, look it up. Please do not accuse me of spreading false history when you yourself are obviously ignorant to history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Tyndale

Cardinal Wolsey condemned Tyndale as a heretic, first stated in open court in January 1529.[24]

This is not about the Inquisitions or any other broad brush topic. It is about your claim that the Catholic Church hunted down and killed Tyndale. Cardinal Wolsey might have condemned him in 1529; but by 1535 when Tyndale was apprehended, the Church of England had split from the Catholic Church and Wolsey was out of power. Henry VIII asked for Tyndale's capture and extradition to England for trial and assumed execution. Instead he was captured in Antwerp by the Holy Roman Emperor who tried and executed him. Now please show primary source documents that ties the Catholic Church to this.

 

[tz620q]

Then William Tyndale a century later ran into similar problems. He was not condemned for translating the Bible, but for allegedly mistranslating it in a heretical fashion. Sir Thomas More charged him with replacing the words for 'priest' and 'Church' with the English words 'elder' and 'congregation' instead - which would mean that instead of the orthodox Catholic hierarchy with priests who were set aside from and elevated over the common people, Tyndale's Bible now seemed to say that any group of Christians could get together as a congregation, elect some senior member of their group as their leader, and claim that his (or her) authority was equal to that of the Pope himself! It's unsurprising that the Church considered that to be heresy.

I think you are right and the Catholic Church did consider him a heretic. I was just disputing a history that likes to paint the Catholic Church behind every execution. In this regard, I find it rather strange that Thomas More, a staunch supporter of Catholicism in England, was actually executed by Henry VIII before Tyndale's execution. It seems to me that opposing Henry VIII was more the cause of Tyndale's death, rather than being a religious heretic.

As far as the elder vs. priest, I wonder if Tyndale was alive today to see what congregational polity has done to the church, if he would still be in favor of every milkmaid and ploughboy.

 

[tz620q]

Probably 90% plus of all people believe a false history. They may never find out or even hear that what they were taught growing up (by anyone) is false.

Perhaps, but a large part of that is because some of our textbooks in the U.S. still refer back to terrible histories conceived back in the 1800's to make the point that religion and science are in opposition and religion has been actively suppressing science as it's natural enemy.

 

[Biblicist]

Hail Mary full of Grace, the Lord is with thee. Blessed are thou among women and blessed is the fruit of thy womb Jesus. Holy Mary Mother of God, pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death Amen.

I thought it wise not to open the video as I have some very strong Antivirus and spam software installed, but I really did think that the opening image with that manmade toy car certainly reflected the practice of Mariolotry.

 

[Biblicist]

Nice to see that you take notice of what is said about the CC. Why not join!

As you have asked me a direct question, having forsaken the world as a teenager, where I was washed in the Blood of Christ (and not Mary), why would anyone who has been cleansed by the Sacrifice of Christ and filled with the Power of the Holy Spirit ever want to commit the ultimate betrayal of what Peter speaks of in 2Pet 2:2 & 22?

 

[Goatee]

cleansed by the Sacrifice of Christ and filled with the Power of the Holy Spirit

Exactly what it is when one is a Catholic! Awesome!

God bless you my friend in Christ

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Except for the contradictions to YHWH'S WORD...
i.e.
you must leave behind whatever they teach that is not true,
and accept only what is true, by YHWH'S Revelation of and in Y'SHUA MESSIAH SAVIOR KING,
as YHWH'S WORD SAYS.

That way, yes, you[as an individual] can be cleansed 100% and have and hold no false teachings .... YHWH Willing.

 

[Goatee]

Except for the contradictions to YHWH'S WORD...
i.e.
you must leave behind whatever they teach that is not true,
and accept only what is true, by YHWH'S Revelation of and in Y'SHUA MESSIAH SAVIOR KING,
as YHWH'S WORD SAYS.

That way, yes, you[as an individual] can be cleansed 100% and have and hold no false teachings .... YHWH Willing.

Again, exactly as the Apostles taught! The CC came directly from them.

Blessings