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The Truth.What am I missing?
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The Truth.What am I missing?
God created the devil. And and all powerful, all knowing god, knew what he would do and God did it anyway.
No one actively chooses to go to hell. But that's not what people are even choosing. Going to heaven is dependent on meeting your God's conditions.
I can't choose "neither", can I?
It's the Christian claim that they should be in heaven despite what they did, if they only asked Jesus to save them.
But yes, I would expect an omnipotent and all-loving God to have stopped those people. You may say he gave them free will, but if he's the creator, it's he who set the boundaries for that free will. Why must a person's free will include the ability to murder millions or rape children? What does that freedom accomplish? Do you personally think it's worth it?
To me it looks like God designed a game he's bound to lose whichever way you look at it. It's supposedly his deepest desire to see people in heaven, he loves each of us more than we can fathom. Yet, because of the rules he decided to lay down, he is forced to torture most of them. Forever.
Is there really a way to make sense of that? What am I missing?
That's obviously not true. Very few people are given that choice. Unless they are given it after they die, but as far as I can tell that's not a Christian idea.
Respectfully, I believe you have a misconception of God. The God scripture speaks of is Love, as in the Spirit of empathy. The faith is that such Love is eternal.That definitely wasn't lost on me either.
Their all-loving god can wipe out a planet and that's totally cool, but our gods must be evil because they encourage us to clean up our environment.
And now they are in hell, despite getting a little more time to change their minds (that is, those few who ever even got to hear the gospel).
If that's God's plan, I'm sure you'll agree that it's not a very good one.Maybe we should clarify what we mean by salvation here. I assume you mean in the afterlife, because I think it's obvious that God doesn't save everyone who calls on him from physical pain and so forth.
And now they are in hell, despite getting a little more time to change their minds (that is, those few who ever even got to hear the gospel).
If that's God's plan, I'm sure you'll agree that it's not a very good one.Maybe we should clarify what we mean by salvation here. I assume you mean in the afterlife, because I think it's obvious that God doesn't save everyone who calls on him from physical pain and so forth.
So Love &Forgiveness, just so that you know, your wasting your breath on me. I'm already a Lover of God, just not of the Christian flavor. I've tried that already and moved on. Any more, as I've already indicated, for myself it's not about what happens after we die with Heaven as some sort of goal or something. What it is for me, as a Lover of God, is having my Beloved God as a reality in my life "today", where He is needed the most. That's it in a nut shell.Did he live a perfect life? If he didn't then he needed to put his trust in Jesus, not his own actions. If his actions were a result of his trust in Jesus then he is in Heaven.
Respectfully, you are mistaken. Salvation was the fulfillment of a promise made by God to Abraham. Accordingly, God has mercy upon whom He will have mercy.It's the Christian claim that they should be in heaven despite what they did, if they only asked Jesus to save them.
Sin is no indicator of a free will. It's an indicator of corruption in the creation. Why would God allow corruption? To show the value of what is Holy.But yes, I would expect an omnipotent and all-loving God to have stopped those people. You may say he gave them free will, but if he's the creator, it's he who set the boundaries for that free will. Why must a person's free will include the ability to murder millions or rape children? What does that freedom accomplish? Do you personally think it's worth it?
Good question. You should consider that the premise that you're reasoning upon is flawed, and therefore ends in a corrupt image of god... I believe the evidence shows that God is simply revealing Himself through a temporal state of existence so as to establish a knowledge of Who He is.To me it looks like God designed a game he's bound to lose whichever way you look at it. It's supposedly his deepest desire to see people in heaven, he loves each of us more than we can fathom. Yet, because of the rules he decided to lay down, he is forced to torture most of them. Forever.
Is there really a way to make sense of that? What am I missing?
Romans 8:20. For the creature was made subject to vanity, not willingly, but by reason of him who hath subjected the same in hope,Isaiah 24:1-23 NLT
Look! The LORD is about to destroy the earth and make it a vast wasteland. He devastates the surface of the earth and scatters the people. [2] Priests and laypeople, servants and masters, maids and mistresses, buyers and sellers, lenders and borrowers, bankers and debtors—none will be spared. [3] The earth will be completely emptied and looted. The LORD has spoken! [4] The earth mourns and dries up, and the land wastes away and withers. Even the greatest people on earth waste away. [5] The earth suffers for the sins of its people, for they have twisted God’s instructions, violated his laws, and broken his everlasting covenant. [6] Therefore, a curse consumes the earth. Its people must pay the price for their sin. They are destroyed by fire, and only a few are left alive. [7] The grapevines waste away, and there is no new wine. All the merrymakers sigh and mourn. [8] The cheerful sound of tambourines is stilled; the happy cries of celebration are heard no more. The melodious chords of the harp are silent. [9] Gone are the joys of wine and song; alcoholic drink turns bitter in the mouth. [10] The city writhes in chaos; every home is locked to keep out intruders. [11] Mobs gather in the streets, crying out for wine. Joy has turned to gloom. Gladness has been banished from the land. [12] The city is left in ruins, its gates battered down. [13] Throughout the earth the story is the same— only a remnant is left, like the stray olives left on the tree or the few grapes left on the vine after harvest. [14] But all who are left shout and sing for joy. Those in the west praise the LORD’s majesty. [15] In eastern lands, give glory to the LORD. In the lands beyond the sea, praise the name of the LORD, the God of Israel. [16] We hear songs of praise from the ends of the earth, songs that give glory to the Righteous One! But my heart is heavy with grief. Weep for me, for I wither away. Deceit still prevails, and treachery is everywhere. [17] Terror and traps and snares will be your lot, you people of the earth. [18] Those who flee in terror will fall into a trap, and those who escape the trap will be caught in a snare. Destruction falls like rain from the heavens; the foundations of the earth shake. [19] The earth has broken up. It has utterly collapsed; it is violently shaken. [20] The earth staggers like a drunk. It trembles like a tent in a storm. It falls and will not rise again, for the guilt of its rebellion is very heavy. [21] In that day the LORD will punish the gods in the heavens and the proud rulers of the nations on earth. [22] They will be rounded up and put in prison. They will be shut up in prison and will finally be punished. [23] Then the glory of the moon will wane, and the brightness of the sun will fade, for the LORD of Heaven’s Armies will rule on Mount Zion. He will rule in great glory in Jerusalem, in the sight of all the leaders of his people.
Respectfully there is only one God, from whence came the energy that created all things. That is self-evident to me. He is Love, and we experience the reality of that love in our lives everyday, so that we come to recognize empathy as of the highest value. It's not about getting into heaven, it's about believing that Love is eternal. I believe that you may be conflating or confusing God with religion.So Love &Forgiveness, just so that you know, your wasting your breath on me. I'm already a Lover of God, just not of the Christian flavor. I've tried that already and moved on. Any more, as I've already indicated, for myself it's not about what happens after we die with Heaven as some sort of goal or something. What it is for me, as a Lover of God, is having my Beloved God as a reality in my life "today", where He is needed the most. That's it in a nut shell.
So Love &Forgiveness, just so that you know, your wasting your breath on me. I'm already a Lover of God, just not of the Christian flavor. I've tried that already and moved on. Any more, as I've already indicated, for myself it's not about what happens after we die with Heaven as some sort of goal or something. What it is for me, as a Lover of God, is having my Beloved God as a reality in my life "today", where He is needed the most. That's it in a nut shell.
God sent me to tell you about Him.
Are you a sinner? Have you ever lied or went over the speed limit or etc...
Do you want to stop sinning? Do you want to do what God says is Right?
If you are a sinner and want to stop sinning do you realize that you can't stop sinning on your own?
Do you want forgiveness and a changed heart and mind? Do you want to start living God's Way?
Now you have been told and today you have the choice.
I think you need to clarify that with Love &Forgiveness. He has made it very clear that it's about getting to Heaven.It's not about getting into heaven, it's about believing that Love is eternal.
As I "experience" the Light of God, it flows with in the whole of the Universe. Where you see Christ as a single person named Jesus, for me the whole of the Universe is the body of God. In that sense Christ, maybe call it a Cosmic Christ, is an absolute "reality" for me. When everywhere a person looks, there God is, that's more than a "belief".I would ask you to ponder that the Christ is all about believing that Love is Eternal. Hence if you value love, then you should want to believe in the Christ.
In all fairness, believing Love is Eternal would entail an existence that transcends the temporal.I think you need to clarify that with Love &Forgiveness. He has made it very clear that it's about getting to Heaven.
Yes I can also see the universe and know it is real in the temporal sense, but not in any eternal sense. E=mc squared.As I "experience" the Light of God, it flows with in the whole of the Universe. Where you see Christ as a single person named Jesus, for me the whole of the Universe is the body of God. In that sense Christ, maybe call it a Cosmic Christ, is an absolute "reality" for me. When everywhere a person looks, there God is, that's more than a "belief".