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There's nothing loving about torturing people for eternity. Unless we're employing some new theologically twisted meaning of the word love.

God doesn't torture people for eternity, He removes Himself from them because that is what they want. God is Love, Joy, Peace, Patience, Kindness, Goodness, Gentleness, and Self-control. The people that reject these reject God and at the end of their life God gives them what they want. That is to be separated from Him. It is like a marriage. If you don't like the other person you can divorce them. God allows us to divorce Him for eternity. It is completely your decision to accept Him or reject Him.
 
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We definitely have radically different moral systems. I think genocide is wrong. And here they said pagans are the bad ones lol.
You'd rather we all be half-human/half-angel, with our human half consisting of corrupted flesh?

Oozing, seeping, decaying, rotting flesh?

Do you think it's a coincidence that zombies are so popular today?
 
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There's nothing loving about torturing people for eternity. Unless we're employing some new theologically twisted meaning of the word love.

Hell is going to be where the devil the demons and the people that didn't want Jesus in their life. It will be an absence of God. It will be hate, bitterness, beyond belief since Love won't be there.
 
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Why do people have to be in hell, though? I'd rather not exist if he'll is even an option. It would be cruel to bring people into the world knowing they night even have a chance of ending up there. As I said in the other thread, God's love is quite conditional on doctrinal acceptance and conformity.

I am glad that He made me because I will be in Heaven for Eternity!
 
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We definitely have radically different moral systems. I think genocide is wrong. And here they said pagans are the bad ones lol.

That definitely wasn't lost on me either.

Their all-loving god can wipe out a planet and that's totally cool, but our gods must be evil because they encourage us to clean up our environment.
 
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That definitely wasn't lost on me either.

Their all-loving god can wipe out a planet and that's totally cool, but our gods must be evil because they encourage us to clean up our environment.

I don't claim to know all the Ways of God. I don't! What I do know is that God was incredibly Loving and Gracious to me. While I was His enemy He Loved me and was working all things to bring me into His Kingdom. He died for me, not because I was good or earned it, but because His Love is so Great! He died for His enemies. He died to Save everyone. I was His enemy and now He is my Best Friend. I love Jesus with all of my heart, all of my soul, all of my mind, and all of my strength. There isn't a word that can describe how much I love Jesus and how Awesome I think He is. Looking back I can't believe that I didn't want to have a relationship with Jesus before. I can't believe that I thought the things in this would would satisfy me more then Jesus. Now I know that Jesus is my Lord and Savior. That He is my Everything and He is Enough for me. Jesus is my All! My hope is that everyone will repent and ask Jesus to Save them. Jesus' Love is a Free Gift. He gives Love freely to those who want it.
 
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That definitely wasn't lost on me either.

Their all-loving god can wipe out a planet and that's totally cool, but our gods must be evil because they encourage us to clean up our environment.

Life is a gift from God. Nobody deserves life. We all deserve hell. God is being kind and patient with us and giving us time to turn from our sins and turn to Him so that He can Save us. Don't throw away your Free Gift from God!
 
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... but our gods must be evil because they encourage us to clean up our environment.
Either that, or they are fallen angels.

Luke 11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
Luke 11:25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
Luke 11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.
 
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Life is a gift from God. Nobody deserves life. We all deserve hell. God is being kind and patient with us and giving us time to turn from our sins and turn to Him so that He can Save us. Don't throw away your Free Gift from God!

Nobody knows if they will die today or tomorrow. Now is the time to repent and turn to Jesus. Don't want until it is too late!
 
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Either that, or they are fallen angels.

Luke 11:24 When the unclean spirit is gone out of a man, he walketh through dry places, seeking rest; and finding none, he saith, I will return unto my house whence I came out.
Luke 11:25 And when he cometh, he findeth it swept and garnished.
Luke 11:26 Then goeth he, and taketh to him seven other spirits more wicked than himself; and they enter in, and dwell there: and the last state of that man is worse than the first.

This world will be burned up. Seek first the Kingdom of God and all of things will be added to you.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 NLT
But I am not surprised! Even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. [15] So it is no wonder that his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. In the end they will get the punishment their wicked deeds deserve.
 
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What if God in His Wisdom wanted to see who would be loyal to Him, and who wouldn't? If your spouse is not satisfied with you, do you force them to be with you? It would have been better during the engagement to allow him or her to have freedom to see if they would be faithful to you.
 
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What if God in His Wisdom wanted to see who would be loyal to Him, and who wouldn't?

An all knowing, all powerful god would already know how loyal you were because that's how he scripted you to be.
 
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You'd rather we all be half-human/half-angel, with our human half consisting of corrupted flesh?

Oozing, seeping, decaying, rotting flesh?

Do you think it's a coincidence that zombies are so popular today?

I'm not totally sure what you mean but it sure sounds kinda cool, at least as something like a story concept. I understand the bits about the angels, though there's lots of debate on what it practically means.

You raise an interesting question about zombies, though. I think a series of well thought out and high production values video games and TV shows have made zombies particularly popular in the mainstream media though honestly I think that influence has waned since the early half of the decade. I don't think there is any coincidence to be had.

I assume you're drawing a parallel with the "moral downfall of society", but Christians have been lamenting that in all societies since they began. I don't see this one as a ton different. I'm at least happy that we're starting to treat homosexuals and trans people are real people, even though we have a long way to go.

Life is a gift from God. Nobody deserves life. We all deserve hell. God is being kind and patient with us and giving us time to turn from our sins and turn to Him so that He can Save us. Don't throw away your Free Gift from God!

I don't think we deserve hell for existing or being created, if we were indeed created. If free will is truly the problem here, then it was a mistake to be imbued with free will. Though I would argue that large part of our choices and decisions and thoughts are not free but rather the product of factors we did not choose including by not limited to religion, culture, language, wealth, education, family stability, climate and so on.
 
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I'm not totally sure what you mean but it sure sounds kinda cool, at least as something like a story concept. I understand the bits about the angels, though there's lots of debate on what it practically means.

You raise an interesting question about zombies, though. I think a series of well thought out and high production values video games and TV shows have made zombies particularly popular in the mainstream media though honestly I think that influence has waned since the early half of the decade. I don't think there is any coincidence to be had.

I assume you're drawing a parallel with the "moral downfall of society", but Christians have been lamenting that in all societies since they began. I don't see this one as a ton different. I'm at least happy that we're starting to treat homosexuals and trans people are real people, even though we have a long way to go.



I don't think we deserve hell for existing or being created, if we were indeed created. If free will is truly the problem here, then it was a mistake to be imbued with free will. Though I would argue that large part of our choices and decisions and thoughts are not free but rather the product of factors we did not choose including by not limited to religion, culture, language, wealth, education, family stability, climate and so on.

I see your point but two people that go through the same circumstances can have two totally different perspective on life. Two people can get cancer and one becomes a jerk, and the other becomes humble.

Why don't you want to go to Heaven? Don't you want Love in your life?
 
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I see your point but two people that go through the same circumstances can have two totally different perspective on life. Two people can get cancer and one becomes a jerk, and the other becomes humble.

Why don't you want to go to Heaven? Don't you want Love in your life?

Why don't you think I have love in my life? My spouse, parents and friends wouldn't agree. Seems a bit insensitive, no?

Fair question about heaven. I don't find the idea of living forever to be that appealing. I don't see how my psyche wouldn't collapse under the insanity of it. It seems to me that existing forever would make my actions utterly meaningless. I have not seen evidence that a soul exists and can travel to a location in the afterlife that doesn't really exclusively on religious scripture.

I once heard heaven described as a nonstop church service of worshipping god. Honestly, put pretty mildly, that doesn't sound great.
 
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Why don't you want to go to Heaven? Don't you want Love in your life?
And that's the question it comes down to.

I don't believe "getting" to Heaven is what it's about at all. And personally I do have Love in my life, more than I could ever explain.
 
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Why don't you think I have love in my life? My spouse, parents and friends wouldn't agree. Seems a bit insensitive, no?

Fair question about heaven. I don't find the idea of living forever to be that appealing. I don't see how my psyche wouldn't collapse under the insanity of it. It seems to me that existing forever would make my actions utterly meaningless. I have not seen evidence that a soul exists and can travel to a location in the afterlife that doesn't really exclusively on religious scripture.

I once heard heaven described as a nonstop church service of worshipping god. Honestly, put pretty mildly, that doesn't sound great.

Heaven is a never changing Perfect Place! Heaven is never changing Perfect Love! Heaven is never changing Perfect Joy! Heaven is never changing Perfect Peace! Heaven is never changing Perfect Goodness! Heaven is never changing Perfect Kindness. Heaven is never changing Perfect Faithfulness. Heaven is never changing Perfect Gentleness. Heaven is never changing Perfect Patience. Heaven is never changing Perfect Self-control. Heaven is never changing Perfect Health. Heaven is never changing Perfect Stability! Heaven is never changing Perfect People! Heaven is never changing Perfect Rest!
 
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And that's the question it comes down to.

I don't believe "getting" to Heaven is what it's about at all. And personally I do have Love in my life, more than I could ever explain.

What do you think life is about?
 
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