The fact you are SDA, I'm guessing you don't agree there is no future millennium, you only disagree with the earthly part,
parousia70 doesn't believe in a future millennium at all, whether earthly, or heavenly, or whatever.
That is true.
I suspect that is true as well -- so I only responded to the part I do agree with regarding literal millennium on Earth with people alive on Earth enjoying that fun time..
I was mainly doing this for the benefit of others, those who might not be familiar with your position, therefore they wrongly assuming you don't believe in any future millennium of any kind.
In context, and unfortunately even many Premils disagree with me about this, the goats are not symbolizing the unsaved lost as a whole. They are symbolizing professed servants of Christ, the same ones Jesus said in Matthew 7 that He knew them not. All one has to do is read, starting from Matthew 24:42 up until this judgment in Matthew 25, and they can see Jesus was specifically focusing on two types of servants of His, one being the faithful servant of His, the other being the unfaithful servant of His. The sheep symbolizing the former, the goats symbolizing the latter.
The Bible itself proves there is no literal, FUTURE, earthly millennium. The "evidence" is in the apostolic eschatological doctrine that prohibits any view of the "millennium" that portrays it as a future, literal, earthly epoch. A simple examination of the NT epistles shows that there is no future historical "thousand-years" period. We know this with certainty, for the apostles explicitly identified the precise timing of the resurrection, the judgment, and the New Heaven/Earth -- they all occur at the coming of Jesus Christ, thus proving that there is no literal "thousand years" that separates these events out over time.
(1) The resurrection occurs at the coming of Christ (1 Cor 15:23)
(2) The judgment occurs at the coming of Christ (2 Tim 4:1; Rev 11:15-18)
Again, not according to the prophetic scriptures of the Old and the New Testaments.(3) The "New Heavens/Earth" occurs at the coming of Christ -- i.e., the "thief's coming," the "day of the Lord" (2 Pet 3:10/1 Thess 5:2)
The second thing we should take note of, is that Revelation chapter 20 verses 1-3 clearly speaks of Satan being bound and locked up in the bottomless pit:
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I was thinking, if the 1000 years is figurative, then each day of that thousand years would be a thousand years to us.The first thing we should take note of is that the New Testament was first written in ancient Greek; and in the Greek, χιλιάς chiliás = a thousand (one thousand); and every time the word "thousand" appears in Revelation chapter 20, it's a translation of the Greek word χιλιάς [ chiliás ].
A thousand (one-thousand): χιλιάς chiliás.
Two-thousands: δισχίλιοι dischílioi (example Mark 5:13).
Three-thousands: τρισχίλιοι trischílioi (example Acts 2:41).
Four-thousands: τετρακισχίλιοι tetrakischílioi (example Matthew 15:38).
Seven-thousands: ἑπτακισχίλιοι heptakischílioi (example Romans 11:4).
Five-thousands: πεντακισχίλιοι pentakischílioi (example Matthew 14:21).
Five thousand: (five times a thousand) Five (πέντε pénte) times a thousand (χιλιάς chiliás, one thousand) = pénte chiliás, five thousand (example Acts 4:4).
Ten thousand: (ten times a thousand) Ten (δέκα déka) times a thousand (χιλιάς chiliás, one thousand) = déka chiliás, ten thousand (example Luke 14:31).
Ten-thousands: μύριοι mýrioi (example 1 Corinthians 4:15).
Twelve thousand: (twelve times a thousand) Twelve (δώδεκα dṓdeka) times a thousand (χιλιάς chiliás, one thousand) = dṓdeka chiliás, twelve thousand (example Revelation 7:5).
Twenty thousand: Twenty (εἴκοσι eíkosi) times a thousand ((χιλιάς chiliás, one thousand) = eíkosi chiliás, twenty thousand (example Luke 14:31).
Fifty thousand: Five (πέντε pénte) times ten-thousands (μυριάς myriás) = pénte myriás, fifty ten-thousands (example Acts 19:19).
Thousands: μυριάς myriás (example Acts 21:20). It's also used for ten-thousands, and for an innumerable number, for example:
Revelation 5:11
"And I beheld, and I heard the voice of many angels round about the throne and the beasts and the elders: and the number of them was ten-thousands (μυριάς myriás) times ten-thousands (μυριάς myriás), and a thousand (χιλιάς chiliás) times a thousand (χιλιάς chiliás)".
Every time the word "thousand" appears in Revelation chapter 20, it's a translation of the Greek word χιλιάς [ chiliás ] - one thousand only.
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The second thing we should take note of, is that Revelation chapter 20 verses 1-3 clearly speaks of Satan being bound and locked up in the bottomless pit:
"And I saw an angel come down from Heaven, having the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, who is the Devil and Satan, and bound him a thousand (χιλιάς chiliás) years. And he cast him into the abyss and shut him up and set a seal on him, that he should deceive the nations no more until the thousand years should be fulfilled. And after that he must be loosed a little time."
Yet in his letter to the Christians in Corinth, Paul states, "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Corinthians 4:3-4).
So is Satan bound (or partially bound, or restricted) right now, and has he been over these last 2,000 years?
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In order to answer this question, the third thing we should take note of, is that Revelation chapter 12 speaks of Satan's ability to accuse the brethren before God having been completely destroyed; and we know this is by the cross of Christ because we are told that "they overcame him because of the blood of the Lamb, and because of the word of their testimony. And they did not love their soul to the death." (Revelation 12:11).
Therefore Satan, the accuser, had no legal right to appear in the court room anymore.
Immediately after this we are told that the devil has been cast out of heaven, and has come down to the earth and the sea "having great wrath, knowing that he has but a little time." (Revelation 20:12). We are then told about Satan going to war against "the woman" who had given birth to the Messiah, and then against "the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ." (Revelation 12:13-17), which of course, refers to Satan's war against the churches of Christ.
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The fourth thing we should take note of, is that both Jesus and His apostles taught, by implication of the things they said to the churches, that Satan is very active in the world:-
In Revelation 2:12 Jesus tells the church at Pergamos, "I know your works, and where you live, even where Satan's seat is. And you hold fast My name and have not denied My faith, even in those days in which Antipas was My faithful martyr, who was slain among you, where Satan dwells."
In Revelation 2:9-10 Jesus tells the church in Smyrna, "I know thy works, and tribulation, and poverty, (but thou art rich) and I know the blasphemy of them which say they are Jews, and are not, but are the synagogue of Satan. Fear none of those things which thou shalt suffer: behold, the devil shall cast some of you into prison, that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation ten days: be thou faithful unto death, and I will give thee a crown of life.".
In his letter to the Christians in Corinth, Paul states, "But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them." (2 Corinthians 4:3-4).
In Ephesians 6:11-12 Paul tells the Christians in Ephesus to "put on the whole armour of God, for your being able to stand against the wiles of the devil", and then continues to say, "because we have not the wrestling with blood and flesh, but with the principalities, with the authorities, with the world-rulers of the darkness of this age, with the spiritual things of the evil in the heavenly places".
In Acts 26:17-18, we read of Jesus telling Paul that He was sending Paul to the Gentiles ""To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me."
In Acts 5:3 we read that Peter said to a man named Ananias, "why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land?"
In Romans 16:20, Paul tells the church in Rome that "And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your feet shortly."
In 1 Corinthians 5:5 Paul tells the church in Corinth to deliver the person who had sinned grievously unto Satan for the destruction of the flesh, that the spirit may be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus."
In 1 Corinthians 7:5 Paul says to the married couples in the same church, "Do not deprive one another, unless it is with consent for a time, so that you may give yourselves to fasting and prayer. And come together again so that Satan does not tempt you for your incontinence."
In 2 Corinthians 2:11 Paul tells the same church to forgive the person who sinned "Lest Satan should get an advantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices."
In 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 Paul refers to teachers of false doctrines who sought to beguile Christians as "false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ", and then goes on to say, "Did not even Satan marvelously transform himself into an angel of light? Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves as ministers of righteousness, whose end shall be according to their works." (2 Cor 11:14-15).
So Paul was calling the teachers of false doctrine "ministers (servants) of Satan".
In 1 Thessalonians 2:18 Paul tells the Christians in Thessaloniki that he had and those who accompanied him on his journeys tried to come to them, "but Satan hindered us."
In 1 Timothy 5:15 Paul says that some Christians "have already turned aside after Satan."
In 1 Timothy 3:6-7 Paul says that anyone desiring the office of a Bishop should "not a novice, lest being puffed up he may fall into the condemnation of the Devil; and it behoveth him also to have a good testimony from those without, that he may not fall into reproach and a snare of the devil."
James tells Christians, "Therefore submit yourselves to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." (James 4:7).
Peter tells Christians to "Be sensible and vigilant, because your adversary the Devil walks about like a roaring lion, seeking someone he may devour; whom firmly resist in the faith, knowing that the same afflictions in the world are being completed in your brotherhood." (1 Peter 5:8-9).
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Over and over again, the activities of Satan in the world, whom Paul calls "the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not," is referred to in the New Testament, and Christians are warned and exhorted to be aware of this, and of the wiles of Satan, and to resist him.
In stark contrast to this, not once - not ever - does the New Testament outside of Revelation chapter 20 speak of Satan being bound, nor "partially bound" by having his activities in the earth restricted (any more than his activities in the world have always been restricted to an extent by God, from the time of the fall of Adam onward, throughout the Bible, where many times we read of cases where the activities of Satan in the world were restricted).
Therefore in my opinion, the only Biblical conclusion we can come to regarding the one thousand year period written about in Revelation chapter 20, is that this period has not yet come.
In my opinion, this should not be surprising to any Christian who reads the book of Revelation and learns from the Revelation that at the time the Revelation was penned, "the beast" (which the Revelation states will ascend from the abyss and be defeated by Christ at the time of His return, and then be destroyed by Christ in "the lake of fire burning with brimstone") "was" (existed at one time), "is not" (does not exist anymore), "and will ascend out of the abyss, and go to perdition".
The Revelation teaches that Satan will likewise be destroyed in the lake of fire after a thousand years - where the beast and and its false prophet (already) are.
In my opinion any eschatology ("end-times theology) presented by any church which teaches that Satan is (already) currently bound in some manner, is therefore patently false, and is probably based on a theological castle of sand built on the sea's side of the high tide mark.
Satan is not cast into the lake of fire at the same time as the beast and its false prophet, according to scripture (but some don't regard Revelation 20 as scripture). If death and hades deliver up ALL the dead in them and Satan is cast into the lake of fire, but the beast and false prophet are already there, then there is a gap (if we believe scripture and not theology).
Paul states that there are different resurrections: Christ, the first-fruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming. Following this He will hand the kingdom back to God the Father. Revelation 20 clearly states that death and hades will deliver up ALL the souls in them. Paul says those who are in Christ will be delivered up from death when Christ returns.
Pure opinion and speculation with zero scriptural support.The Bible itself proves there is a literal, FUTURE, thousand-year reign of Christ on earth, when the prophetic books are all studied and all statements considered.
I was thinking, if the 1000 years is figurative, then each day of that thousand years would be a thousand years to us. So according to the amillennial doctrine, it would mean this age (the figurative millennium) won't be ending any time soon. However, if this is a future age - then it would indeed be interesting that an age that long would exist.
I'm just having fun since the scripture says we cannot know these things.According to the A-Millennial doctrine (as I understand it)
it is a spiritual 1000 years that represents the time from the Cross
to the time when the "testimony" of the saints is finished [Rev 11:7]
and the LAST saint is saved/sealed [Rev 7:1-3] and the Holy Spirit is
"taken out of the way" [2Thess 2:6-9] so that Satan can be "loosened"
for his "Little Season" [Rev 20:3] which represents both the Revelation Beast
and the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1-13] which BEGINS
when the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13 in 8 verses] is FINISHED
Satan's "binding" represents a restraint* so he could not prevent all the sheep
from being saved... this is when the saints "live and rule with Christ" and this END
when the Holy Spirit (which "restrains") is "taken out of the way" so Satan
can RULE during the Revelation Beast/Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".
This is when the LAST "wheat and tares", called "ten virgins" [Mat 25:1-13]
follow the Antichrist into the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven". This event
is also shown as the "ten kings" and "ten horns" (called "the saints") are RULED
by the "Little Horn" (Antichrist) [Dan 7:24-25] and when the "ten horns" and
ten "kings" all "agree to give their KINGDOM to the [Revelation] Beast"
[Rev 17:12-17]
BTW... the Bible PROMISED the Last Saints "shall understand" these things
[Dan 12:8-10] and Jesus PROMISED the Last Saints "shall see ALL these things"
[Mat 24:15 and 24:33] and God PROMISED the Last Saints shall PREACH these things
as the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound" [Rev 10:7-11]
* There are no LITERAL chains holding Satan... it is a CONDITION of restraint.
There is no LITERAL Bottomless Pit... it is a CONDITION of restraint
Make no mistake, the Revelation Beast/Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" BEGINS when the restraints
are removed and the Holy Spirit is "taken out
of the way".
There is no one day = 1000 years in THIS PROPHECY...
you are intentionally mixing passages that do not relate.
You have no biblical authority to do that with Satan's binding.
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Christ and the Apostles taught the resurrection of the righteous and wicked at his return, which is the end of the current age, called the Last Day by Christ himself.
The so-called Millenial reign contradicts what Christ & the apostles taught regarding his return. he’s only destroying the wicked 1 time.
When he returns, that’s it! The parable of the 10 virgins shows that when he comes back, there’s no more chances to get in to the kingdom.
These "ten virgins" are also shown as the ten "kings/horns" (called "the saints")
ruled by the "Little Horn" (Antichrist) in Dan 7:24-25
I'm just having fun since the scripture says we cannot know these things.
Thanks for the feedback.
That is absolutely bizarre
So, you are right, it is "bizarre" (but true)
Although Daniel 12:8-10 says NONE of the wicked can understand
So there is that
Contextually, the parable of the 10 virgins is regarding the importance of being ready when Messiah returns.The parable of the ten virgins is also a PROPHECY of the Last "wheat and tares"
in the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1-13] which BEGINS when
the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13 in 8 verses) ENDS as the "testimony"
of the church is "finished" [Rev 11:7] and the last saint is saved/sealed [Rev 7:1-3]
and the Holy Spirit is "taken out of the way" [2Thess 2:6-9] so that Satan can be
"loosened" for His "Little Season" [Rev 20:3] which is also called the Revelation Beast
or the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"
Notice the TEN VIRGINS "went forth" (from the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven")
into the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".... just as the last Jewish saints
"went forth" from the Jewish "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 22:2] into the Christian
"Kingdom of Heaven"... as the "Kingdom of God" was TAKEN from the Jews
and GIVEN to the Christians - shown in Mat 21:43
The "ten virgins" of Mat 25:1-13 cannot be church age "wheat and tares" because
of verses 8-9 (the church never refuses to preach the Gospel and sends people to
some other unnamed group for salvation - but that does happen in the Great Tribulation)
These "ten virgins" are also shown as the ten "kings/horns" (called "the saints")
ruled by the "Little Horn" (Antichrist) in Dan 7:24-25
And they are called the ten "kings/horns" who "agree to give their KINGDOM to the Beast"
(Revelation Beast) in Rev 17:12-17
The Millennial Kingdom represents the church age. Satan was "bound" at the Cross
(in the sense he was restrained from stopping the salvation of ALL the lost sheep)
and Satan is "loosened" at the START of The Revelation Beast/Great Tribulation
(1st Woe and fifth Trumpet of Rev 9:1-2)
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The Millennial Kingdom represents the church age. Satan was "bound" at the Cross
(in the sense he was restrained from stopping the salvation of ALL the lost sheep)
and Satan is "loosened" at the START of The Revelation Beast/Great Tribulation
(1st Woe and fifth Trumpet of Rev 9:1-2)
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