The 1,000 Year Judgment & Beyond

[Jan001]

Sola Scriptura = Scripture is the sole judge of all doctrine, all doctrine/teaching must be in agreement with Scripture.

But must not everything that is not in Scripture be in agreement with everything that is in the didactics of Scripture, for the word of God does not contradict itself?

It is in agreement, if scripture is interpreted correctly. Most people do not realize that their own interpretations may not be in agreement with what the authors were intending to teach. Some things are not in the scriptures, but they were taught in person.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

Keeping in mind that prophecy, which is subject to more than one interpretation, is not didactics.

The writers of the scriptures, whether prophecy or not, had a specific purpose for their writings.

 

[Jan001]

2 Timothy 3:16, and 2 Peter 1:21, Jan.

Scripture is helpful indeed for Christ's church. However, Jesus commanded his apostles and disciples to preach/teach the Gospel in person. He never commanded them to write a Bible, make copies of it, give them away, and then let people determine for themselves what Jesus' Gospel means to them.

English Standard Version
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

It soon took place in the first century AD.

Can you please explain why you think the Lord's day (Revelation 1:10) is different, and on what basis?

All the early Christians called Sunday, the Lord's Day.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

I did not give any opinions.
Which posts of mine do you claim is my opinion?
Please point out where I made interpretations.

All of your interpretations are your own opinions. Neither you nor I have been given the authority by God to claim that our own understanding of the scriptures is what the writers intended to teach.

 

[Clare73]

It is in agreement, if scripture is interpreted correctly. Most people do not realize that their own interpretations may not be in agreement with what the authors were intending to teach.

What the authors were "intending" to teach and correct interpretation is measured by its agreement with all Scripture in its context.

Some things are not in the scriptures, but they were taught in person.

Things not in Scripture will be in agreement with Scripture, if they are divine truth,
and if they are not in agreement with Scripture, they are to be rejected as the word of man, and not received as the word of God (Ac 17:11).

2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

Note that tradition (paradosis) is apostolic teaching, (1 Co 11:2, 2Th 2:15, 3:6) which will always be in agreement with NT writing, the measure of all teaching.

 

[Jan001]

What the authors were "intending" to teach and correct interpretation is measured by its agreement with all Scripture in its context.

Some scriptures do not have any other scriptures to agree with them.

Things not in Scripture will be in agreement with Scripture, if they are divine truth,
and if they are not in agreement with Scripture, they are to be rejected as the word of man, and not received as the word of God (Ac 17:11).

It depends on who is interpreting the scriptures and what their interpretations are.

Note that tradition (paradosis) is apostolic teaching, (1 Co 11:2, 2Th 2:15, 3:6) which will always be in agreement with NT writing, the measure of all teaching.

Scripture is helpful for teaching the gospel of Jesus. Scripture is not the measure of all teaching.

Jesus' appointed leaders of his church are his teaching authority for his gospel.

1 Timothy 3:15 but if I am delayed, I write so that you may know how you ought to conduct yourself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.

 

[Clare73]

Some scriptures do not have any other scriptures to agree with them.

All Scriptures of the Canon have agreement with them.

Scripture is helpful for teaching the gospel of Jesus. Scripture is not the measure of all teaching.

"All Scripture is God-breathed." (2 Tim 3:16)

Evidently you aren't aware of Jesus' view of the Scriptures.

Jesus believed the OT was the "word of God" in every detail (Mt 15:6, Lk 5:1, Lk 11:28, Jn 10:35),
that it was the truth of God vested with the authority of God and backed by the power of God (Mt 5:17-19).
He treated arguments from Scripture as having clinching force. When he said, "It is written," that was final. There was no appeal against Scripture, for "the scripture cannot be broken." (Mt 4:5, Mt 4:7, Mt 4:10, Jn 10:35). God's word holds good forever.
He constantly scolded the Jews for their ignorance and neglect of Scripture: "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures?". . ."Have you not read. . .?". . ."Go and learn what this means. . ." (Mk 12:24, Mt 12:3, Mt 12:5, Mt 19:4, Mt 21:16, Mt 21:42,Mt 9:13).

Likewise, Jesus himself submitted to the OT as the word of God:
he lived a life of obedience to Scripture (Lk 4:17-21, Mt 8:16-17, Mt 11:2-5),
and then he died in obedience to Scripture (Lk 18:31, Mk 8:31, Mk 9:31, Mk 10:33-34, Mt 26:24, Lk 22:37, Mt 26:53-56),
when he arose, he explained who he was by the Scriptures (Lk 24:44-47, Lk 24:27),
he presented himself to the Jews as the fulfiller of Scripture (Jn 5:39-40, Jn 5:46-47).

Belief in the authority and truth of the OT was the foundation of Jesus' whole ministry.

And it is my belief as well.

 

[Jan001]

Does anyone allege Scripture to disagree with them?

Yes. Their interpretations are not the same as others' interpretations of these same scriptures.

Evidently you aren't aware of Jesus' view of the Scriptures.

Jesus believed the OT was the "word of God" in every detail (Mt 15:6, Lk 5:1, Lk 11:28, Jn 10:35),
that it was the truth of God vested with the authority of God and backed by the power of God (Mt 5:17-19).
He treated arguments from Scripture as having clinching force. When he said, "It is written," that was final. There was no appeal against Scripture, for "the scripture cannot be broken." (Mt 4:5, Mt 4:7, Mt 4:10, Jn 10:35). God's word holds good forever.
He constantly scolded the Jews for their ignorance and neglect of Scripture: "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures?". . ."Have you not read. . .?". . ."Go and learn what this means. . ." (Mk 12:24, Mt 12:3, Mt 12:5, Mt 19:4, Mt 21:16, Mt 21:42,Mt 9:13).

Of course, the OT was the word of God, but then, Jesus is the Word of God.

Jesus didn't write any scriptures. He didn't tell his apostles and disciples to write scriptures either, except for Revelation. He told them to go and preach his gospel in person.

Matthew 28:18-20 And Jesus came and spoke to them, saying, “All authority has been given to Me in heaven and on earth. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age.” Amen.

1 Corinthians 15:2 by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

Likewise, Jesus himself submitted to the OT as the word of God:
he lived a life of obedience to Scripture (Lk 4:17-21, Mt 8:16-17, Mt 11:2-5),
and then he died in obedience to Scripture (Lk 18:31, Mk 8:31, Mk 9:31, Mk 10:33-34, Mt 26:24, Lk 22:37, Mt 26:53-56),
when he arose, he explained who he was by the Scriptures (Lk 24:44-47, Lk 24:27),
he presented himself to the Jews as the fulfiller of Scripture (Jn 5:39-40, Jn 5:46-47).
Belief in the authority and truth of the OT was the foundation of Jesus' whole ministry.

Jesus also changed the things in the OT that he wanted to change.

Luke 6:1-6 Now it happened on the second Sabbath after the first that He went through the grainfields. And His disciples plucked the heads of grain and ate them, rubbing them in their hands. 2 And some of the Pharisees said to them, “Why are you doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath?” 3 But Jesus answering them said, “Have you not even read this, what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: 4 how he went into the house of God, took and ate the showbread, and also gave some to those with him, which is not lawful for any but the priests to eat?” 5 And He said to them, “The Son of Man is also Lord of the Sabbath.”

 

[Clare73]

Yes. Their interpretations are not the same as others' interpretations of these same scriptures.

Are we speaking of Scriptures of the Canon?
If so, give two of them.

Of course, the OT was the word of God, but then, Jesus is the Word of God.

Nowhere in the NT is Jesus called the "Word of God."
He is "the Word" who is God.
In the NT, the "word of God" is Scripture, not a person

Logos (word) in Greek philosophy was the First Cause, the Great Intelligence and Reason behind the Universe.
John opens his gospel with the astounding declaration that the recently despised and crucified man, Jesus of Nazareth, is the Eternal Logos, source of all wisdom and power, who became flesh to order to reveal God to us.

Jesus didn't write any scriptures. He didn't tell his apostles and disciples to write scriptures either, except for Revelation. He told them to go and preach his gospel in person.

And to whom who do you think they were writing those letters--total strangers, or as a follow-up to those to whom they had "preached his gospel in person"?

Don't go "squirrelly" on me here with frivolous extra-Biblical assertions. . .

 

[CoreyD]

Scripture is helpful indeed for Christ's church. However, Jesus commanded his apostles and disciples to preach/teach the Gospel in person. He never commanded them to write a Bible, make copies of it, give them away, and then let people determine for themselves what Jesus' Gospel means to them.

I don't understand what you are trying to say, or imply.
Are you saying that the 29 books of the Greek scriptures are not enough for Christians?
Can you elaborate on what you are saying, please?

It soon took place in the first century AD.

Would you agree a five year old can say this, Jan?
Isn't it better to provided any basis for a belief, rather than just state it as if it's a fact?

Is this how Christianity in our day spread its "truth"?
That's not how Jesus and his apostles, taught, is it.
Remember, it was the scriptures that were used to prove things. Acts 17:1-11

All the early Christians called Sunday, the Lord's Day.

2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

I think you mean the "early Christians" of the second century.
I never read any scripture by an early Christian calling Sunday the Lord's Day. What about you... Have you?

All of your interpretations are your own opinions. Neither you nor I have been given the authority by God to claim that our own understanding of the scriptures is what the writers intended to teach.

If you cannot point out any interpretations I am supposed to have made, according to you, then there is no basis for you making such claims. Would you agree.
Remember, unless you have evidence in court, the case is thrown out, because a judge does not go by what is claimed.

Is this the how Christianity in our day is taught - to just make claims as if they are fact, but do not see any need to support those claims? That's not very appealing to people who are teachable, Jan.
To teach effectively, we need to show people. That way, people can do like the noble-minded Bereans.
Acts 17:11

Now the Bereans were more noble-minded than the Thessalonians, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if these teachings were true.

You do want to do more than just make claims, don't you Jan?
Then people can examine what you say, to see if it is true. That's good, isn't it?

 

[CoreyD]

@Clare73 and @Jan001 my dear, may I remind you that you have gone way off topic.
Please try to keep on the topic of the tread without straying too far.

If you are interested in the topic of interpretation of scripture, there is a thread on here, that you can feel free to bash it out - Interpretation Vs Explanation. I'll be happy to join the bash there.

 

[Clare73]

@Clare73 and @Jan001 my dear, may I remind you that you have gone way off topic.
Please try to keep on the topic of the tread without straying too far.

I am discussing the figurative 1000-year reign of Christ in the church age (Rev 20), where we reign with him (Eph 2:6).

 

[Jan001]

Are we speaking of Scriptures of the Canon?
If so, give two of them.

One scripture passage is enough to prove my point that it depends on the person who is interpreting the scripture whether he knows the correct meaning of it or not.

Do you believe that the baptism commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28:18-20 literally forgives sins?

Nowhere in the NT is Jesus called the "Word of God."
He is "the Word" who is God.
In the NT, the "word of God" is Scripture, not a person.

Revelation 19:13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

You do not believe that Jesus speaks for God?

Father: Thought of God
Son: Word of God
Holy Spirit: Action of God

And to whom who do you think they were writing those letters--total strangers, or as a follow-up to those to whom they had "preached his gospel in person"?

To those to whom they had "preached his gospel in person." That is the point: They first preached the gospel to them in person. There was no Bible.

Was every teaching of Jesus in these letters or just certain points that needed further clarification for certain groups of people?
I can assure you that not all of Jesus' gospel was written in the Canon of Scripture.

Don't go "squirrelly" on me here with frivolous extra-Biblical assertions. . .

Don't go all "squirrelly" on me by refusing to acknowledge the truth of the following scriptures:

2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.

John 21:25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.

 

[Jan001]

I don't understand what you are trying to say, or imply.
Are you saying that the 29 books of the Greek scriptures are not enough for Christians?
Can you elaborate on what you are saying, please?

Jesus founded a church and gave it's leaders his authority to teach and preach in his name. Jesus never told his church's leaders to write a Bible.
The early church orally taught that Sunday is the Lord's Day. There was no need to put it in a letter. The Christians learned this by word of mouth.

 

[Clare73]

One scripture passage is enough to prove my point that it depends on the person who is interpreting the scripture whether he knows the correct meaning of it or not.

Do you believe that the baptism commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28:18-20 literally forgives sins?

Does the text state that it does?

Revelation 19:13 He was clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

I take my doctrine only from NT didactics, not from prophetic riddles, which are not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8).

You do not believe that Jesus speaks for God?

Father: Thought of God
Son: Word of God
Holy Spirit: Action of God

To those to whom they had "preached his gospel in person." That is the point: They first preached the gospel to them in person. There was no Bible.

Was every teaching of Jesus in these letters or just certain points that needed further clarification for certain groups of people?
I can assure you that not all of Jesus' gospel was written in the Canon of Scripture.

And I can assure you that any teaching of Jesus not recorded in the NT will, nevertheless, be in total agreement with what is recorded in the NT, because God does not contradict himself.
So the NT is the only judge of God's truth.

Don't go all "squirrelly" on me by refusing to acknowledge the truth of the following scriptures:
2 Thessalonians 2:15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast and hold the traditions which you were taught, whether by word or our epistle.
John 21:25 And there are also many other things that Jesus did, which if they were written one by one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that would be written. Amen.

 

[Jan001]

Does the text state that it does?

I asked you a question. It is not proper to supposedly answer it with a question of your own.

I take my doctrine only from NT didactics, not from prophetic riddles, which are not spoken clearly (Nu 12:8).

Who made you an authority on NT didactics? I am certainly not an authority. God did not appoint me as his authority. Contrary to what some people believe, the scriptures are not clearly understood by every reader. If that were so, we would not be having this discussion.

Hebrews 5:11 On this subject we have much to say and it is hard to explain, since you have become sluggish in understanding.

2 Peter 3:15-17 Bear in mind that our Lord’s patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him. 16 He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them of these matters. His letters contain some things that are hard to understand, which ignorant and unstable people distort, as they do the other Scriptures, to their own destruction.
17 Therefore, dear friends, since you have been forewarned, be on your guard so that you may not be carried away by the error of the lawless and fall from your secure position.

And I can assure you that any teaching of Jesus not recorded in the NT will, nevertheless, be in total agreement with what is recorded in the NT, because God does not contradict himself.

It is true that God does not contradict himself. However, not everyone understands the didactics of the scriptures. People may claim to understand, but that does not make it so. See my previous answer for a couple scripture passages pertaining to this fact.

So the NT is the only judge of God's truth.

That is incorrect.

Jesus' church is the the judge of God's truth. Jesus founded a church and he appointed its leaders, and they appointed their successors down through the ages to our present time. Matthew 16:17-19, 2 Timothy 2:1-2

Jesus' church is the foundation and support of the truth of Jesus' gospel.

1 Timothy 3:15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

The NT is a useful tool for the church to use to explain its teachings. The NT is not the foundation of the truth. The NT cannot judge anything. It has no mind. It cannot think.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

The church (its legitimately appointed leaders) is the judge of God's truth on earth. Matthew 16:17-19, 2 Timothy 2:1-2, Hebrews 13:7


Matthew 18:17 If they still refuse to listen, tell it to the church; and if they refuse to listen even to the church, treat them as you would a pagan or a tax collector.

 

[Clare73]

I asked you a question. It is not proper to supposedly answer it with a question of your own.

The answer to my question is likewise the answer to your question.
Therefore, your question can be answered by yourself..

Who made you an authority on NT didactics? I am certainly not an authority.

However, the dictionary is an authority regarding what "didactic" is.
Perhaps being more literally informed would be helpful.

God did not appoint me as his authority. Contrary to what some people believe, the scriptures are not clearly understood by every reader. If that were so, we would not be having this discussion.

Is this argument being made?

It is true that God does not contradict himself. However, not everyone understands the didactics of the scriptures.
People may claim to understand, but that does not make it so. See my previous answer for a couple scripture passages pertaining to this fact.

Did you note Scriptures' comments on the reason for their failure to understand?

1) they are sluggish (Heb 5:11),
2) they are ignorant, unstable and distort the Scriptures (2 Pe 3:15-17).

It's not the Scriptures that are the problem, the problem is their sluggishness, ignorance and instability blocking their understanding.

That is incorrect.
Jesus' church is the the judge of God's truth.

Everywhere in the NT, Jesus' church is the body of Christ.
Nowhere in the NT is it anything else.

The NT was given to the body of Christ, the church ("called-out assembly," ek-klesia).
The apostle (Paul) appointed the leaders of the several churches he founded, which churches appointed their future leaders according to the instructions Paul commanded regarding pastors and officers.
The pastors were given the authority to teach, and to appoint teachers and officers.

Jesus founded a church and he appointed its leaders, and they appointed their successors down through the ages to our present time. Matthew 16:17-19, 2 Timothy 2:1-2

Jesus' church is the foundation and support of the truth of Jesus' gospel.

1 Timothy 3:15 if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth.

Note that the church is God's household, all the born-again, all the body of Christ, not just the leadership.

The NT is a useful tool for the church to use to explain its teachings. The NT is not the foundation of the truth.
The NT cannot judge anything. It has no mind. It cannot think.

Nor can a college physics book judge anything, so don't doubt your decision to step off the 75-ft-high balcony.

Qualification is lacking here for a discussion of the nature of Scripture.

2 Timothy 3:16-17 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

And we see the meaning of "useful" in Jesus' view of the Scriptures.

Jesus believed the OT was the "word of God" in every detail (Mt 15:6, Lk 5:1, Lk 11:28, Jn 10:35),
that it was the truth of God vested with the authority of God and backed by the power of God (Mt 5:17-19).
He treated arguments from Scripture as having clinching force. When he said, "It is written," that was final. There was no appeal against Scripture, for "the scripture cannot be broken." (Mt 4:5, Mt 4:7, Mt 4:10, Jn 10:35). God's word holds good forever.
He constantly scolded the Jews for their ignorance and neglect of Scripture: "Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures?". . ."Have you not read. . .?". . ."Go and learn what this means. . ." (Mk 12:24, Mt 12:3, Mt 12:5, Mt 19:4, Mt 21:16, Mt 21:42,Mt 9:13).

Likewise, Jesus himself submitted to the OT as the word of God:
he lived a life of obedience to Scripture (Lk 4:17-21, Mt 8:16-17, Mt 11:2-5),
and then he died in obedience to Scripture (Lk 18:31, Mk 8:31, Mk 9:31, Mk 10:33-34, Mt 26:24, Lk 22:37, Mt 26:53-56),
when he arose, he explained who he was by the Scriptures (Lk 24:44-47, Lk 24:27),
he presented himself to the Jews as the fulfiller of Scripture (Jn 5:39-40, Jn 5:46-47).

Belief in the authority and truth of the OT Scriptures was the foundation of Jesus' whole ministry.

"All Scripture is God-breathed." (2 Tim 3:16)

 

[Jan001]

The answer to my question is likewise the answer to your question.
Therefore, your question can be answered by yourself..

I asked your opinion. I already know mine. I will be specific once again:

Does the water baptism commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28:18-20 literally forgive sins?

However, the dictionary is an authority regarding what "didactic" is.
Perhaps being more literally informed would be helpful

Didactic:
a : designed or intended to teach

I think my use of this word was appropriate. Unless a person knows what the original author intended to teach, a person can base his own beliefs on his own mistaken interpretations. That is why we have thousands of Christian denominations in the world now.

Is this argument being made?

Ignorant means that they lack knowledge or comprehension of the subject. It is not an insult to be ignorant about certain things. I am ignorant regarding jet propulsion.

Ignorant: lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified

Did you note Scriptures' comments on the reason for their failure to understand?

1) they are sluggish (Heb 5:11),
2) they are ignorant, unstable and distort the Scriptures (2 Pe 3:15-17).

It's not the Scriptures that are the problem, the problem is their sluggishness, ignorance and instability blocking their understanding.

As I said before, ignorance means lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified, such as the eunuch who lacked knowledge about a Scripture passage in the Book of Isaiah in Acts 8:30-35.

If everyone comprehended the Scriptures in exactly the same way, there would be only one denomination today.

Everywhere in the NT, Jesus' church is the body of Christ.
Nowhere in the NT is it anything else.

The NT was given to the body of Christ, the church ("called-out assembly," ek-klesia).

Who gave the NT to the body of Christ? It was the leadership of the church. Who wrote the Scriptures? It was the leaders of the church under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit. Who decided the Canons of the Scriptures? The leaders of the church, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, decided the Christian Canons of the OT and the NT.

Which came first, the leaders of the church or the Scriptures? FACT: Christ's church would still be here on earth today if the original NT had never been written.

Jesus commanded the leaders of his church to orally preach and teach his gospel. Jesus did not command them to write anything down, except for John's letters of revelation to the Christian communities to reveal to them, which must soon take place.

Note that the church is God's household, all the born-again, all the body of Christ, not just the leadership.

According to Jesus, how exactly does a person become born again? It is very important to know this.

Belief in the authority and truth of the OT Scriptures was the foundation of Jesus' whole ministry.

Jesus used the OT Scriptures to help show the Jews that he was their Messiah. He used them to explain the prophecies in the Law, the Prophets, and the Psalms about him. Authority can only be given to people, not things. Luke 24:44

"All Scripture is God-breathed." (2 Tim 3:16)

Yes, it is. It is a helpful tool for the church leadership to use to explain Christ's teachings.

2 Timothy 3:16-18 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

Please note that the Scriptures do not literally do the teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness. It is Bishop Timothy and Bishop Titus who are authorized to do this for their flocks.

2 Timothy 2:1-2 You then, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. 2 And the things you have heard me say in the presence of many witnesses entrust to reliable people who will also be qualified to teach others.

Titus 2:15 These, then, are the things you should teach. Encourage and rebuke with all authority. Do not let anyone despise you.

 

[Clare73]

I asked your opinion. I already know mine. I will be specific once again:

Does the water baptism commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28:18-20 literally forgive sins?

It is the repentance that is the forgiveness of sin, and baptism that is the sign of that forgiveness (washing, and death to sin).
Baptism is the sign of the new covenant, as circumcision was the sign of the old covenant (Col 2:11-12).

Didactic:
a : designed or intended to teach

I think my use of this word was appropriate. Unless a person knows what the original author intended to teach, a person can base his own beliefs on his own mistaken interpretations. That is why we have thousands of Christian denominations in the world now.

What the author intended to teach will be in agreement with the rest of Scripture.
Agreement with all Scripture is the measure for correct understanding of Scripture.

As I said before, ignorance means lacking knowledge or comprehension of the thing specified,

And their sluggishness, instability and distortion in understanding the Scriptures means?

Jesus commanded the leaders of his church to orally preach and teach his gospel. Jesus did not command them to write anything down,

And writing to those not in close proximity is not teaching?

All those school text books were a waste of time?

Note: in addition to disingenuousness being a waste of time, it is also lacking in intellectual honesty.

 

[Jan001]

It is the repentance that is the forgiveness of sin and baptism that is the sign of that forgiveness.

And their sluggishness, instability and distortion in understanding the Scriptures?
In addition to disingenuousness being a waste of time, it is also lacking in intellectual honesty.

Repentance is necessary for the forgiveness of sin. However, repentance alone is not what first saves us according to the Scriptures.

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

It is faith and baptism which first saves us.

Mark 16:16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever doesn’t believe will be condemned.

It is the baptism commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28:18-20 which first saves us.

It is by the washing with water through the word as commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28:18-20 which forgives our sins.

Ephesians 5:26 to make her holy, cleansing her by the washing with water through the word,

Many people do not comprehend this. They are ignorant about what the baptism commanded by Jesus in Matthew 28:18-20 truly accomplishes.

Ignorant does not mean stupid. It means lack of comprehension about a subject.

Some people are sluggish to understand because they do not apply themselves to learning. Some people believe they can just read the Scriptures and easily and completely understand their meanings, but when they are mistaken in their own interpretations, they do indeed distort the true meaning of the Scriptures.

It is intellectually honest for me to say that I do not have full comprehension of the Scriptures.

Heads up: I've said all I want to say to you on this topic so I won't be replying if you post again.

 

[Clare73]

Repentance is necessary for the forgiveness of sin. However, repentance alone is not what first saves us according to the Scriptures.

Acts 2:38 Peter replied, “Repent and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins. And you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.

It is faith and baptism which first saves us.

Salvation is by faith only. . .apart from works (including baptism). (Eph 2:8-9)

I've said all I want to say to you on this topic so I won't be replying if you post again.

Good choice. . .