The 1,000 Year Judgment & Beyond

[CoreyD]

Yes. The prophecy was to be fulfilled within a few years. It was actually fulfilled by the end of 70 AD.

So you believe the Lord's day began in 70 A.D., and the Devil was therefore bound after 70 A.D.?

 

[Jan001]

So you believe the Lord's day began in 70 A.D., and the Devil was therefore bound after 70 A.D.?

Satan was bound by the power of Jesus' death on the cross.

The Day of the Lord will be the day of his second coming. It is also the Day of Judgment.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

2 Peter 2:9 Therefore, the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from their trials and to hold the wicked for punishment until the Day of Judgment.

 

[CoreyD]

Satan was bound by the power of Jesus' death on the cross.

The Day of the Lord will be the day of his second coming. It is also the Day of Judgment.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

2 Peter 2:9 Therefore, the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from their trials and to hold the wicked for punishment until the Day of Judgment.

Okay, so you don't believe the Lord's day started yet, but would you mind answering the other question Jan?

 

[Jan001]

Okay, so you don't believe the Lord's day started yet, but would you mind answering the other question Jan?

Satan was bound when Jesus died. Satan was bound in about 33 AD. The Day of the Lord will be the day of his second coming.

There are also days of the Lord's judgment here on earth. These judgments come from Jesus while he rules from God's throne in heaven. 67–70 AD (42 months, aka time, two times, and half a time) was one of those judgments. Jesus used the Roman armies to destroy the temple, the city of Jerusalem, and the many Jews who lived within the city. He destroyed them because they rejected their own Messiah.

 

[CoreyD]

Satan was bound when Jesus died. Satan was bound in about 33 AD. The Day of the Lord will be the day of his second coming.

There are also days of the Lord's judgment here on earth. These judgments come from Jesus while he rules from God's throne in heaven. 67–70 AD (42 months, aka time, two times, and half a time) was one of those judgments. Jesus used the Roman armies to destroy the temple, the city of Jerusalem, and the many Jews who lived within the city. He destroyed them because they rejected their own Messiah.

Thanks.

Jan001 said:
John did not write a prophecy about measuring a temple that was to be built thousands of years in the future; he wrote a prophecy that was soon to take place.

CoreyD said:
When you say "a prophecy that was soon to take place", do you mean after mid 60 A.D.?
Jan001 said:
Yes. The prophecy was to be fulfilled within a few years. It was actually fulfilled by the end of 70 AD.

Satan was bound when Jesus died. Satan was bound in about 33 AD. The Day of the Lord will be the day of his second coming.

If the prophecy was written about mid 60 A.D., and the prophecy was about things that will soon take place... that is, after 60 A.D., and end in 70 A.D., how could one of those prophecies be fulfilled in 33 A.D. before John received the prophecy, of these things that will soon happen?
Revelation 20:1, 2
1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he took hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years

Jan001 said:
The Day of the Lord will be the day of his second coming. It is also the Day of Judgment.

How could John be in the Lord's day, if the Lord's day has not happened yet, and the prophecy is fulfilled before the Lord's day even begins.
Revelation 1:10
On the Lord’s day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,

 

[Clare73]

The temple that John measured was not in the New Jerusalem. He measured the temple in the Jerusalem that was still standing on earth.
There is no physical temple in the New Jerusalem. God (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) are the temple in the New Jerusalem.
Revelation 21:22 I did not see any temple there, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.
John did not write a prophecy about measuring a temple that was to be built thousands of years in the future; he wrote a prophecy that was soon to take place.

Daniel wrote a prophecy that was to begin in his time with the return of the Israelites to Jerusalem and the building of the second temple, and it would end 490 years (70 weeks) later at the time of the end (destruction) of the second temple.
Daniel 12:4
As for you, Daniel,
keep these words secret,
and seal the book until the time of the end.
Many shall fall away,
and evils shall increase.”
Daniel's 70 weeks began with the Israelites returning to Jerusalem under Cyrus' reign. The building of the second temple took 7 weeks (49 years).
62 weeks later, the 70th week began. This 70th week was in the 1st century AD. This 70th week ended with the destruction of the second temple.
Daniel's prophecy was about the building of the second temple and the destruction of the second temple 490 years later.
We are living in the "thousand year" reign of Jesus' church on earth right now. This is a symbolic number and it means the long time period between Jesus' death, resurrection, ascension and his second coming. Jesus and his saints are ruling in heaven right now.
Hebrews 10:12-13 But Jesus offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, and then took his seat at the right hand of God, 13 where he now waits until his enemies are made his footstool.
1 Corinthians 15:24-26 Then comes the end, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father, after he has destroyed every sovereignty and authority and power. 25 For he is destined to reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death.
Death is destroyed at his second coming.

Jesus will not set up an earthly kingdom on earth before his second coming at the end of time.
John 18:36 Jesus replied, “My kingdom does not belong to this world. If my kingdom did belong to this world, my followers would have fought to prevent me from being handed over to the Jews. The fact is that my kingdom is not here.”
Acts 7:49a ‘Heaven is my throne, and the earth is my footstool.

Doesn't the Greek state it better? . . ."Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world." (Jn 18:36)

I point this out because of Lk 11:20, Mt 12:28:
"But if it is by the finger of God (Holy Spirit) that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you."
It is here now, and has been since Jesus.

However, that kingdom of God is not an earthly (physical) kingdom (Jn 18:36). . .Jesus refused their earthly kingdom (Jn 6:15).
The temporal Messianic kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom (Mt 3:2), hidden, within men (Lk 17:21),
set up in their hearts and consciences (Ro 14:17).
Its riches are spiritual (Ro 8:17), its powers are spiritual (2 Co 10:4), its glory is within (Ps 45:13, Zec 2:5).
We are now reigning with Christ (Eph 2:6) in his kingdom (Lk 22:69, Eph 1:19-22, Mk 14:62, 16:19, Ro 8:34, 1 Co 15:25, Col 3:1, Heb 1:3, 8:1, 10:12-13, 12:2, 1Pe 3:22, Rev 1:6, Ps 2:6 w/Heb 12:22)

The future kingdom is the eternal kingdom (Lk 21:25-28, 31), in the new heavens and new earth,
the home of righteousness (2Pe 3:13, Mt 5:5, 22:2, 25:1, Ro 4:13, Isa 65:17ff, 66:22, Rev 21:1-4, no death).

Just wanted to clarify the particulars. . .i.e., the kingdom of God is here now (Lk 11:20, Mt 12:8).

 

[CoreyD]

I did a little visual @Jan001, so that you can gat a better look at the problems.

 

[Jan001]

If the prophecy was written about mid 60 A.D., and the prophecy was about things that will soon take place... that is, after 60 A.D., and end in 70 A.D., how could one of those prophecies be fulfilled in 33 A.D. before John received the prophecy, of these things that will soon happen?

Revelation visions are given in vignettes. Some are past tense. Some are present tense. Some are future (soon to take place). Some are a mixture.

Revelation 20:1, 2
1 Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven, holding the key of the abyss and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he took hold of the dragon, the serpent of old, who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years

This happened in 33 AD.

How could John be in the Lord's day, if the Lord's day has not happened yet, and the prophecy is fulfilled before the Lord's day even begins.
Revelation 1:10
On the Lord’s day I was in the Spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice like a trumpet,

This vision was given to John on a Sunday, the first day of the week, which we observe every week at Jesus' command, in honor of his resurrection. Christians' call this first day of every week the Lord's Day.

The Day of the Lord is the day of Jesus' second coming. This Day of the Lord is also Judgment Day.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

 

[Jan001]

Doesn't the Greek state it better? . . ."Jesus answered, "My kingdom is not of this world." (Jn 18:36)

I point this out because of Lk 11:20, Mt 12:28:
"But if it is by the finger of God (Holy Spirit) that I cast out demons, then the kingdom of God has come upon you."
It is here now, and has been since Jesus.

However, that kingdom of God is not an earthly (physical) kingdom (Jn 18:36). . .Jesus refused their earthly kingdom (Jn 6:15).
The temporal Messianic kingdom of God is a spiritual kingdom (Mt 3:2), within men (Lk 17:21),
set up in their hearts and consciences (Ro 14:17).
Its riches are spiritual (Ro 8:17), its powers are spiritual (2 Co 10:4), its glory is within (Ps 45:13, Zec 2:5).
We are now reigning with Christ (Eph 2:6) in his kingdom (Lk 22:69, Eph 1:19-22, Mk 14:62, 16:19, Ro 8:34, 1 Co 15:25, Col 3:1, Heb 1:3, 8:1, 10:12-13, 12:2, 1Pe 3:22, Rev 1:6, Ps 2:6 w/Heb 12:22)

The future kingdom is the eternal kingdom (Lk 21:25-28, 31), in the new heavens and new earth,
the home of righteousness (2Pe 3:13, Mt 5:5, 22:2, 25:1, Ro 4:13, Isa 65:17ff, 66:22, Rev 21:1-4, no death).

Just wanted to clarify the particulars. . .i.e., the kingdom of God is here now (Lk 11:20, Mt 12:8).

I agree that the kingdom of God is within us. All people who are presently in the state of sanctifying grace (the Holy Spirit lives within them) are living in the kingdom of God right now. It is a spiritual kingdom.

 

[Jan001]

I did a little visual @Jan001, so that you can gat a better look at the problems.
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We have a different understanding of the Scriptures.

 

[CoreyD]

We have a different understanding of the Scriptures.

Definitely. However, I hope that's not to say, "We can choose to understand the scriptures anyway we like, even if what we understand does not agree with what the scriptures actually say.", because that would not be showing oneself humble, or teachable - qualities required to be drawn by God.

Being humble, involves admitting one is wrong, and being willing to be corrected. Would you agree?
So, while it is true that the fact you did not answer the questions, tells us humans what only God can see - the inner person, God sees the heart, and one that is humble, and honest, is of value to him.

I am saying this because I do want you to win the prize.

 

[Clare73]

I agree that the kingdom of God is within us. All people who are presently in the state of sanctifying grace (the Holy Spirit lives within them) are living in the kingdom of God right now. It is a spiritual kingdom.

Or the kingdom of God is within them (Lk 17:20-21).

 

[Clare73]

Definitely. However, I hope that's not to say, "We can choose to understand the scriptures anyway we like, even if what we understand does not agree with what the scriptures actually say.", because that would not be showing oneself humble, or teachable - qualities required to be drawn by God.

Being humble, involves admitting one is wrong, and being willing to be corrected. Would you agree?
So, while it is true that the fact you did not answer the questions, tells us humans what only God can see - the inner person, God sees the heart, and one that is humble, and honest, is of value to him.

I am saying this because I do want you to win the prize.

Keeping in mind, this is prophecy, given in riddles (Nu 12:8), and subject to more than one interpretation.

I did a little visual @Jan001, so that you can gat a better look at the problems.
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Keeping in mind that "the Lord's Day" has two meanings:
1) the day Jesus rose from the dead (Sunday)
2) final judgment

 

[CoreyD]

Revelation visions are given in vignettes. Some are past tense. Some are present tense. Some are future (soon to take place). Some are a mixture.

Can you show me where that is writen in scripture?

This happened in 33 AD.

This vision was given to John on a Sunday, the first day of the week, which we observe every week at Jesus' command, in honor of his resurrection. Christians' call this first day of every week the Lord's Day.

Can you show me where that is writen in scripture?

The Day of the Lord is the day of Jesus' second coming. This Day of the Lord is also Judgment Day.

1 Thessalonians 5:2 For you yourselves are fully aware that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night.

You were not referring to the Lord's day in your expressions?

 

[Jan001]

Definitely. However, I hope that's not to say, "We can choose to understand the scriptures anyway we like, even if what we understand does not agree with what the scriptures actually say.", because that would not be showing oneself humble, or teachable - qualities required to be drawn by God.

Being humble, involves admitting one is wrong, and being willing to be corrected. Would you agree?
So, while it is true that the fact you did not answer the questions, tells us humans what only God can see - the inner person, God sees the heart, and one that is humble, and honest, is of value to him.

I am saying this because I do want you to win the prize.

I have no problem admitting when I am wrong.

Please explain which questions I did not answer. I have no idea what you are talking about!

 

[Jan001]

Can you show me where that is writen in scripture?

It is apocalyptic literature. It shows things in a spiritual sense. The Book of Revelation was written in 1st century AD for 1st century AD Christians. It depicts the destruction of the temple, Jerusalem, and the people living there. It depicts the ending of the first covenant temple worship and the beginning of the new covenant non-temple worship, which began after Jesus rose from the dead.

Old Covenant Jerusalem destruction:
Revelation 11:2 However, exclude the outer court of the temple from your measurements, because it has been handed over to the Gentiles and they will trample on the holy city for forty-two months.


The new covenant Jerusalem which is Christ's church:
Revelation 21:2 And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, like a bride adorned and ready for her husband.

Hebrews 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to myriads of angels in joyful gathering,

We are part of this heavenly Jerusalem (Christ's church) right now.

Examples of vignettes:

Past tense:
Revelation 12:4 His tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child as soon as it was born.

Present tense:
Revelation 11:1-2 I was next given a staff to use as a measuring rod, and I was told, “Go forth and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the people who are worshiping there. 2 However, exclude the outer court of the temple from your measurements, because it has been handed over to the Gentiles and they will trample on the holy city for forty-two months.

Future tense:
Revelation 22:5 And there will be no more night. They will have no need for light from a lamp or from the sun, for the Lord God will give them light, and they will reign forever and ever.

Can you show me where that is writen in scripture?

Revelation 1:10 On the Lord’s day, I was caught up in the spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice, like the sound of a trumpet,

John was caught up on a Sunday, the Lord's Day. John was not caught up on the day of Jesus' second coming/Judgment Day.

You were not referring to the Lord's day in your expressions?

See previous Scripture.

The Lord's Day is Sunday, the first day of the week.

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we gathered for the breaking of the bread, Paul spoke to the people, and because he was going to leave on the next day, he continued speaking until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of every week, each of you should set aside and save whatever you can spare, so that when I come to you, no collections will have to be taken.


The Day of the Lord usually means the day of Jesus' second coming, which is also Judgment Day.

2 Thessalonians 1:10 on that Day when he comes to be glorified by his holy ones and to be adored by all believers, among whom you will be present since you believed the testimony we offered to you.

Matthew 12:35-37 A good man brings forth good things from the good stored up within him, but an evil man brings forth evil things from his store of evil. 36 I tell you that on the day of judgment people will have to render an account for every careless word they utter. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

 

[CoreyD]

I have no problem admitting when I am wrong.

That's good to hear.

Please explain which questions I did not answer. I have no idea what you are talking about!

I can see why, since it was my mistake. I saw two notifications, and so, I missed the one above.
Forget what I said. My apologies. You did respond to the questions. I just missed your response.

It is apocalyptic literature. It shows things in a spiritual sense. The Book of Revelation was written in 1st century AD for 1st century AD Christians. It depicts the destruction of the temple, Jerusalem, and the people living there. It depicts the ending of the first covenant temple worship and the beginning of the new covenant non-temple worship, which began after Jesus rose from the dead.

Old Covenant Jerusalem destruction:
Revelation 11:2 However, exclude the outer court of the temple from your measurements, because it has been handed over to the Gentiles and they will trample on the holy city for forty-two months.


The new covenant Jerusalem which is Christ's church:
Revelation 21:2 And I saw the holy city, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, like a bride adorned and ready for her husband.

Hebrews 12:22 But you have come to Mount Zion and to the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem. You have come to myriads of angels in joyful gathering,

We are part of this heavenly Jerusalem (Christ's church) right now.

Examples of vignettes:

Past tense:
Revelation 12:4 His tail swept away a third of the stars in the sky and hurled them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child as soon as it was born.

Present tense:
Revelation 11:1-2 I was next given a staff to use as a measuring rod, and I was told, “Go forth and measure the temple of God and the altar, and count the people who are worshiping there. 2 However, exclude the outer court of the temple from your measurements, because it has been handed over to the Gentiles and they will trample on the holy city for forty-two months.

Future tense:
Revelation 22:5 And there will be no more night. They will have no need for light from a lamp or from the sun, for the Lord God will give them light, and they will reign forever and ever.


Revelation 1:10 On the Lord’s day, I was caught up in the spirit, and I heard behind me a loud voice, like the sound of a trumpet,

John was caught up on a Sunday, the Lord's Day. John was not caught up on the day of Jesus' second coming/Judgment Day.


See previous Scripture.

The Lord's Day is Sunday, the first day of the week.

Acts 20:7 On the first day of the week, when we gathered for the breaking of the bread, Paul spoke to the people, and because he was going to leave on the next day, he continued speaking until midnight.

1 Corinthians 16:2 On the first day of every week, each of you should set aside and save whatever you can spare, so that when I come to you, no collections will have to be taken.


The Day of the Lord usually means the day of Jesus' second coming, which is also Judgment Day.

2 Thessalonians 1:10 on that Day when he comes to be glorified by his holy ones and to be adored by all believers, among whom you will be present since you believed the testimony we offered to you.

Matthew 12:35-37 A good man brings forth good things from the good stored up within him, but an evil man brings forth evil things from his store of evil. 36 I tell you that on the day of judgment people will have to render an account for every careless word they utter. 37 For by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”

Thanks Jan, but I am asking where in scripture does it say that some of Revelation is past tense.
What you did here is decide, or interpret which scriptures you think are past, present and future, but Revelation 1:1 says what is given by the angel is future to John's writing - "the things which must soon take place".

I was also asking where in scripture does it say the Lord's day is Sunday.
People have said this, but we do not just want to take what people say as scripture.
Is there a scripture that says the Lord's day is Sunday? If not, we cannot claim that John received his message on Sunday.
I thought you said the Lord's day is the day of Jesus' second coming. Were you thinking there are two "Lord's day"? Is there a scripture that says there are two "Lord's day"?

Would you agree, these are just your interpretation, and they are not correct, simply on a basis of believing they are?

 

[Jan001]

Thanks Jan, but I am asking where in scripture does it say that some of Revelation is past tense.
What you did here is decide, or interpret which scriptures you think are past, present and future, but Revelation 1:1 says what is given by the angel is future to John's writing - "the things which must soon take place".

Where in scripture does it say that everything has to be in scripture?

Did it say that every single thing in this vision was to soon take place?

In your opinion, has the following already happened? Had it already happened when what we now call the Book of Revelation was written?

Revelation 12:5-8 She gave birth to a son, a male child who is destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was taken up directly to God and to his throne. 6 The woman herself fled into the wilderness where she would be looked after for twelve hundred and sixty days in a place prepared for her by God. 7 Next, war broke out in heaven, with Michael and his angels in combat against the dragon. The dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but they were defeated, and they lost their place in heaven.

I was also asking where in scripture does it say the Lord's day is Sunday.
People have said this, but we do not just want to take what people say as scripture.
Is there a scripture that says the Lord's day is Sunday? If not, we cannot claim that John received his message on Sunday.

John 21:25 But there are also many other things that Jesus did; and if every one of them was recorded, I do not think the world itself could contain the books that would be written.

Sola Scriptura is not a valid doctrine.

Everyone knew in that time period that Sunday was called the Lord's Day. Their pastors told them. Christ told his apostles and disciples to preach the gospel. He did not tell them to write a Bible so that people could then decide for themselves what Christ's teachings mean or don't mean. Christ established a church and appointed its leaders to preach his gospel.

I thought you said the Lord's day is the day of Jesus' second coming. Were you thinking there are two "Lord's day"? Is there a scripture that says there are two "Lord's day"?

I did not say that the Lord's Day is the day of Jesus' second coming. The Lord's Day is Sunday.

The Day of the Lord is Judgment Day. The Day of the Lord is the day of Jesus' second coming.

2 Peter 2:9 Therefore, the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from their trials and to hold the wicked for punishment until the Day of Judgment.

Would you agree, these are just your interpretation, and they are not correct, simply on a basis of believing they are?

Yes, this is my opinion. However, your posts are your opinions as well!

It is time for you to agree that these are just your interpretation, and they are not correct, simply on a basis of believing they are.

 

[Clare73]

Where in scripture does it say that everything has to be in scripture?

Sola Scriptura = Scripture is the sole judge of all doctrine, all doctrine/teaching must be in agreement with Scripture.

Did it say that every single thing in this vision was to soon take place?
In your opinion, has the following already happened? Had it already happened when what we now call the Book of Revelation was written?
Revelation 12:5-8 She gave birth to a son, a male child who is destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was taken up directly to God and to his throne. 6 The woman herself fled into the wilderness where she would be looked after for twelve hundred and sixty days in a place prepared for her by God. 7 Next, war broke out in heaven, with Michael and his angels in combat against the dragon. The dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but they were defeated, and they lost their place in heaven.
John 21:25 But there are also many other things that Jesus did; and if every one of them was recorded, I do not think the world itself could contain the books that would be written.

Sola Scriptura is not a valid doctrine.

But must not everything that is not in Scripture be in agreement with everything that is in the didactics of Scripture, for the word of God does not contradict itself?

Keeping in mind that prophecy, which is subject to more than one interpretation, is not didactics.

Everyone knew in that time period that Sunday was called the Lord's Day. Their pastors told them. Christ told his apostles and disciples to preach the gospel. He did not tell them to write a Bible so that people could then decide for themselves what Christ's teachings mean or don't mean. Christ established a church and appointed its leaders to preach his gospel.
I did not say that the Lord's Day is the day of Jesus' second coming. The Lord's Day is Sunday.
The Day of the Lord is Judgment Day. The Day of the Lord is the day of Jesus' second coming.
2 Peter 2:9 Therefore, the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from their trials and to hold the wicked for punishment until the Day of Judgment.
Yes, this is my opinion. However, your posts are your opinions as well!
It is time for you to agree that these are just your interpretation, and they are not correct, simply on a basis of believing they are.

 

[CoreyD]

Where in scripture does it say that everything has to be in scripture?

2 Timothy 3:16, and 2 Peter 1:21, Jan.

Did it say that every single thing in this vision was to soon take place?

Revelation 1:1

New International Version
The revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants what must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,

New Living Translation
This is a revelation from Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show his servants the events that must soon take place. He sent an angel to present this revelation to his servant John,

English Standard Version
The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John,
...

In your opinion, has the following already happened? Had it already happened when what we now call the Book of Revelation was written?

Revelation 12:5-8 She gave birth to a son, a male child who is destined to rule all the nations with an iron rod. And her child was taken up directly to God and to his throne. 6 The woman herself fled into the wilderness where she would be looked after for twelve hundred and sixty days in a place prepared for her by God. 7 Next, war broke out in heaven, with Michael and his angels in combat against the dragon. The dragon and his angels fought back, 8 but they were defeated, and they lost their place in heaven.

Because a person does not understand how a verse in revelation applies to the future, do you think that gives them liberty to apply it to the past, because they feel it should be?

John 21:25 But there are also many other things that Jesus did; and if every one of them was recorded, I do not think the world itself could contain the books that would be written.

May I ask, did you quote that to say we can add what we want, because every detail of Jesus life is not written?
What does that have to do with the message in revelation Jan? Are you saying that Jesus did not give john all the message that he wanted him to write down to show his servants?
He forgot to mention some, or it was too much... is that what you are saying Jan?

Please take note of the following verses.
Revelation 22:18, 19
18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

Sola Scriptura is not a valid doctrine.

Everyone knew in that time period that Sunday was called the Lord's Day. Their pastors told them. Christ told his apostles and disciples to preach the gospel. He did not tell them to write a Bible so that people could then decide for themselves what Christ's teachings mean or don't mean. Christ established a church and appointed its leaders to preach his gospel.


I did not say that the Lord's Day is the day of Jesus' second coming. The Lord's Day is Sunday.

The Day of the Lord is Judgment Day. The Day of the Lord is the day of Jesus' second coming.

2 Peter 2:9 Therefore, the Lord knows how to rescue the godly from their trials and to hold the wicked for punishment until the Day of Judgment.

I understand. Perhaps you did not take note that I asked you about the Lord's day.
I did that because that is what Revelation mentions.
I di not know that people actually thought that is a different Lord's day.
Can you please explain why you think the Lord's day (Revelation 1:10) is different, and on what basis?

Yes, this is my opinion. However, your posts are your opinions as well!

I did not give any opinions.
Which posts of mine do you claim is my opinion?

It is time for you to agree that these are just your interpretation, and they are not correct, simply on a basis of believing they are.

Please point out where I made interpretations.