Is the thousand years of Revelation chapter 20 symbolic?

[5thKingdom]

Contextually, the parable of the 10 virgins is regarding the importance of being ready when Messiah returns.

The parable of the wheat and the tares is about the judgement of the righteous and the wicked, and it's compared to growing and harvesting wheat - nothing more.

I am somewhere between an Amillenialist and a Postmillenialist.

Contextually the "ten virgins" are the "wheat and tares" in the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven"... can you not read Matthew 25:1?

 

[5thKingdom]

No, Satan is still deceiving the nations to thos day.

And your SCRIPTURE to support your "feelings" is where?

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[friend of]

And your SCRIPTURE to support your "feelings" is where?

Just look at the state of the world you're living in. Satan is obviously active.

 

[5thKingdom]

Right, so you're not only calling me wicked, you are also calling all 10 of the virgins wicked.

Does anyone else see something wrong with that "interpretation"?

I did NOT call you "wicked"... I simply quoted what Daniel 12:8-10 says:
Notice... some "shall understand" and some will NOT understand.
That is SCRIPTURE speaking

Dan 12:8 And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be
the end of these things? 9 And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up
and sealed till the time of the end. 10 Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried;
but the wicked shall do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand;
but the wise shall understand.



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[5thKingdom]

Just look at the state of the world you're living in. Satan is obviously active.

Of course Satan is active after he is "loosened"...
Who said Satan was not active (not me)?

I said MANY things... can you REFUTE anything I said.

I never said Satan was not active today... so that does not count.
Can you do better?

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[friend of]

When was Satan ever imprisoned for 1000 years? Start with that. He was defeated at the cross but not imprisoned.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

The Scripture PROMISES the Last Saints "shall understand" [Dan 12:8-10]
and Jesus PROMISES the Last Saints "shall see all these things" [Mat 24:15.33]
And God PROMISES the Last Saints preach these mysteries [Rev 10:7-11]

Do you REALLY think the Last Saints will not know the NAME of the Antichrist?

Do you REALLY think Daniel 12:8-10 is not true?
Do you REALLY think Mat 24:33 is not true?

You are correct, the Bible says these things cannot be know UNTIL
the Last Saints (called the "wise virgins") reveal them.

So it is not a matter of IF they will be revealed (not if you believe the Bible)
it is only a matter of WHEN they will be revealed. And this is the time.
Unless you just do not believe what the Bible PROMISES?

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It's not the time you're talking about.

I've read two posts with egotistical tenor in it.

Pride blinds the perspective, it thus cannot be correct.

 

[5thKingdom]

When was Satan ever imprisoned for 1000 years? Start with that. He was defeated at the cross but not imprisoned.

You should read my previous posts from this afternoon since it covers MOST of the
details.

Satan was never "imprisoned"... he was "bound" at the Cross in the sense that
he could not prevent all the sheep from being saved. There were no LITERAL chains,
just as there is not LITERAL Bottomless Pit.

I encourage you to read the posts that explain all the details.
But there is NO QUESTION the Bible PROMISES these mysteries
would be revealed by the "wise virgins"...

It is not a question of IF they are revealed,
only a question of WHEN

 

[parousia70]

Jesus PROMISED the Last Saints "shall see ALL these things"
[Mat 24:15 and 24:33]

If you read the Bible literally, it is abundantly clear that Jesus LITERALLY promised HIS APOSTLES that THEY “shall see all these things”:

Matthew 24:33 So you [apostles standing there] also, when you [apostles standing there] see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!

How do we know he was speaking directly to the apostles in front of him?

Here’s how:

Matthew 24:3 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”


Where do you get this notion of the “LAST SAINTS”?

It’s not from scripture. Must therefore be from speculation, man made tradition and a non literal rendering alone.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Last saints, isn't that what the Mormons call themselves?

 

[5thKingdom]

It's not the time you're talking about. I've read two posts with egotistical tenor in it. Pride blinds the perspective, it thus cannot be correct.

Anyone can say "pride blinds".
Can you REFUTE a word I said? That is the test.

I presented a TON of information.. can you not REFUTE a single thing?
Out of EVERYTHING I said (all the details I presented) you can REFUTE nothing?
Then my doctrines stand un-refuted.

(1) saying "it's not the time you're talking about" has no meaning.
I am sure you can put together a complete sentence.

(2) saying "Pride blinds .... thus it cannot be correct"
That refutes nothing.

Again, the Bible PROMISES the Last Saints ("wise virgins") would reveal mysteries
never known during the church age... so it is not a matter of IF it happens.
Let me know if/when you can REFUTE anything I said.


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[5thKingdom]

Last saints, isn't that what the Mormons call themselves?

You are mocking God, not me.

 

[Gregory Thompson]

Anyone can say "pride blinds".
Can you REFUTE a word I said? That is the test.

I presented a TON of information.. can you not REFUTE a single thing?
Out of EVERYTHING I said (all the details I presented) you can REFUTE nothing?
Then my doctrines stand un-refuted.

(1) saying "it's not the time you're talking about" has no meaning.
I am sure you can put together a complete sentence.

(2) saying "Pride blinds .... thus it cannot be correct"
That refutes nothing.

Again, the Bible PROMISES the Last Saints ("wise virgins") would reveal mysteries
never known during the church age... so it is not a matter of IF it happens.
Let me know if/when you can REFUTE anything I said.


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Even Satan quoted scripture. So according to the latter part of James Chapter 3, your theology is refuted.

There is a character that follows correct God-ology.

His sheep will follow His voice, the voice of the shepherd is not in the posts I am reading by this poster, so I do not follow.

 

[klutedavid]

Last saints, isn't that what the Mormons call themselves?

Latter day saints?

 

[5thKingdom]

If you read the Bible literally, it is abundantly clear that Jesus LITERALLY promised HIS APOSTLES that THEY “shall see all these things”:

Matthew 24:33 So you [apostles standing there] also, when you [apostles standing there] see all these things, know that it is near—at the doors!

So you think Jesus Returned while the Apostles were alive?
Or did "when you see these things" apply to the disciples alive when they occurred?
WOW... what a concept.

Where do you get this notion of the “LAST SAINTS”?
It’s not from scripture. Must therefore be from speculation, man made tradition and a non literal rendering alone.

First, you should NEVER make the mistake of thinking Biblical Truth
is LIMITED to what YOU understand... that is a huge mistake.


Did you not READ what I wrote... it was ALL from Scripture.
Just for you.. I will give a brief recap of what I already said in detail.
Just for you.


The Last Saints are called the "wise virgins" from the Great Tribulation
"Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1-13] They are the ones included in the Final Harvest
and taken into the Marriage... before the "Door is Shut" [v25:10]


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BTW: Did the Final Harvest occur while the Apostles were alive?
Was the "Door Shut" while the Apostles were alive?
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The ten virgins "went forth" from the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 13 in 8 verses]
into the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" [Mat 25:1] when the "testimony" of the
church was "finished" [Rev 11:7] (the two candlesticks and two olive trees = the NT church)
and when all the saints were saved/sealed [Rev 7:1-3] and the Holy Spirit was "taken out
of the way" [2Thess 2:6-9] so Satan could be "loosened" for his "Little Season" [Rev 20:3]
also known as the Revelation Beast and the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven".


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BTW... did ANY of this happen while the Apostles were alive?
Of course not... Biblical Truth is NOT limited to what YOU know.
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Satan was "bound" at the Cross in the sense he was "restrained" from preventing
all the lost sheep from being found and saved. There were no LITERAL chains and
there was no LITERAL Bottomless Pit... these represent the CONDITION of Satan
being "restrained" (literal chains cannot hold a spirit being).


Satan could NEVER be "loosened" until AFTER the "testimony" of the saints was
"finished" and AFTER the last saint was "sealed" and AFTER the Holy Spirit was
"taken out of the way" because the Holy Spirit "restrained" until then.


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BTW: Was the Holy Spirit "taken out of the way" while the Apostles were alive?
Was the last saint "sealed" and the "testimony" finished while the Apostles were alive?
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The "ten virgins" could NOT be church age people because of verses 8-9
(since the saints NEVER refuse to preach the Gospel during the church age...
they NEVER send people to some other unnamed group for salvation...
but the "wise virgins" do that during the Revelation Beast/Great Tribulation)


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BTW... do you think Jesus was telling a fairy tale about these people?
Do you think Jesus was LYING? Did this happen when the Apostles were alive?
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The "ten virgins" who "went forth" from the Christian "Kingdom of Heaven"
following the Anti-christ into the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" are
also shown as the "ten horns" and "ten kings" (called "the saints") who are
ruled by the "Little Horn" (Antichrist) in Dan 7:24-25


The "ten virgins" are also shown (again) as "ten horns" and "ten kings"
who all "agreed to give their KINGDOM to the [Revelation] Beast" [Rev 17:12-17]


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BTW... did ANY of this happen while the Apostles were alive?
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Moreover, the Bible PROMISED the Last Saints ("wise virgins") "shall understand"
these Biblical mysteries that remained "closed-up" and "sealed" until the (wait for it...)
"time-of-the-end" [Dan 12:8-10] which is also known as the "Season and Time"
[Dan 7:11-12]


And Jesus PROMISED the Last Saints "shall see ALL these things" [Mat 24:15,33]
including the fulfillment of Daniel's "Abomination of Desolation" which could never
have been understood until the "time-of-the-end" [Dan 12:8-10] which means
ALL PREVIOUS "interpretations" MUST be wrong because they were made during
a time when the BIBLE PROMISED they would be "sealed" to all saints.


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Did ANY of this happen while the Apostles were alive?
You see what happens when you ASSUME Biblical Truth is limited to what YOU know?
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I could go on like this all day... and you cannot REFUTE a WORD I said from Scripture
(all you can do is DENY.... because Dan 12:8-10 PROMISES you cannot understand)


Dan 12:8-10
And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end
of these things? And he said, Go thy way, Daniel: for the words are closed up and sealed
till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall
do wickedly: and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.


The Last Saints (wise virgins) "shall understand"... and ONLY the Last Saints (wise virgins)
"shall understand"... that is if we DARE to believe what the Bible PROMISES.


One last thing.... the Bible PROMISES the Last Saints shall PREACH these Biblical mysteries
as the Seventh Trumpet "begins to sound" [Rev 10:7-11]

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BTW: Did the Seventh Trumpet "begin to sound" while the Apostles were alive?
Did the Apostles PREACH any of these Biblical mysteries that were "sealed"?
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[5thKingdom]

Even Satan quoted scripture. So according to the latter part of James Chapter 3, your theology is refuted.

There is a character that follows correct God-ology.

His sheep will follow His voice, the voice of the shepherd is not in the posts I am reading by this poster, so I do not follow.

No... get serious... nothing was REFUTED by James chapter 3.
Did James chapter 3 say ANYTHING about what I just wrote?
You are really desperate if that is the best you can come up with.

I do not dispute His sheep follow His voice.
In case you did not understand... we are now talking about the
Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven" (ever hear of it?) [Mat 25:1]
That happens AFTER all the saints have been saved/sealed [Rev 7:1-3]

So you cannot REFUTE a single word I said.
That would bother me if I were you.

Or do you think Jesus was LYING about the "wise virgins"
and the Great Tribulation "Kingdom of Heaven"?
I assure you, Jesus was not lying.

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[TribulationSigns]

Ahem...!

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[BABerean2]

And if I am correct about the above, one can't use the sheep and goats judgment to prove there are not mortal survivors after this judgment. This particular judgment does take place at the 2nd coming, yet this is not the great white throne judgment, though.

Only if you ignore what Paul said in 2 Thessalonians 1:7-10, and 2 Timothy 4:1.

And you also ignore the time of the judgment of the dead, with reward for some, and destruction for others in Revelation 11:15-18.


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[Zao is life]

I was thinking, if the 1000 years is figurative, then each day of that thousand years would be a thousand years to us.

So according to the amillennial doctrine, it would mean this age (the figurative millennium) won't be ending any time soon.

However, if this is a future age - then it would indeed be interesting that an age that long would exist.

Interesting point but to me the Greek word used refers to a thousand and points to exactly a thousand years as we would understand it, otherwise the Greek would have used the word myrias.

 

[Zao is life]

Let's assume what Amil assumes about Revelation 19 and Revelation 20:7-10, that these are referring to the same events, is correct. That would indicate that John must think the reader is pretty absent minded, so he felt the need to remind the reader, that in Revelation 20:10, satan gets cast into the same place the beast and fp got cast into moments earlier, or at least within that same 24 hour period.

But instead, we see John telling us that satan is cast into the pit a thousand years. Why would we need to know that after he has already been cast into the LOF, assuming Amil? Once satan has been cast into the LOF, anything involving this thousand years would have zero relevance at that point.

Here's something else to consider, assuming Revelation 20:7-10 is paralleling the end of ch. 19.

and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them(Revelation 20:9). Who could possibly survive that and live to tell about it? Apparently the beast and fp, assuming Amil.

Revelation 19:20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.

Does this look like they were devoured by fire from God out of heaven? Does not the text state this---And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet---and this---These both were cast alive---thus why I asked, who could possibly survive that and live to tell about it. The fact the beast and fp are first captured, then cast while still alive into the LOF, and if assuming Amil, this same beast and fp would have to be among those surrounding the saints, thus they would have been devoured by this fire as well. So why weren't they, then?

That's all so true. Why even mention a thousand years if there is no such thing? If everything all ends at the end of Revelation 19:11-21 and this parallels Revelation 20:7-10, then it's totally irrelevant to the point of meaningless to talk about a thousand years, where the Greek word used denotes a thousand (one thousand only) years instead of thousands of years.