As a Christian, which of the commandments would you say is not sin? Or what one is not written in your heart?
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The ten commandments are for sinners. Without the ten commandments people could do anything and say that it is not considered a sin. But after we are born again, the laws are written in our hearts. We know what is sin and what is not.
Thanks for your post.What do you think the Bible means in Colossians 2:12-23 when it says let no one judge you according to meat and drink and the sabbath and holy days? It says that they are a shadow of things to come but the body is of Christ? In Acts 15:1-21 Paul talks about how no one not their ancestors could keep the law so why put a yoke around the neck of the Gentile believers. Acts 15:11-12 talk about the law specifically and I’m pretty sure it is referencing all the laws in the Old Testament then the Bible says they will be saved by grace and Jesus Christ. But Jesus said he didn’t come to change the law. Personally I’m not sure what to make of the two passages I read above and Jesus saying he didn’t come to abolish the law. I’m not sure what to make of the Sabbath. I try to take roughly about one day off for every week but I don’t always do it always one day every week. I often go stretches of time not taking one day off and then during holidays I do nothing. So I make a half hearted attempt at it. But seriously following all 600 laws is impossible. Where do you draw the line? In a way Jesus made it more intense by basically saying that’s not good enough if you even feel hate or lust you have sinned. But then Paul says the same thing that neither our fathers nor us have been able to follow the old law and we are saved by grace and Jesus Christ. Obviously we are to follow the two laws Jesus gave us, but I can’t definitively say yes or no on the sabbath. Honestly I’m confused
Well said.Doesn't later revelation by the Lord through Paul take precedence over what He said while on the Earth confirming the promises to the Fathers?
Rom. 15:8 Now I say that Jesus Christ was a minister of the circumcision for the truth of God, to confirm the promises made unto the fathers:
In fact, since the Law was a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ should we then follow the higher road of grace that does not put us under Law. Instead of considering commandments, we should consider how through grace we can offer up our life as a sacrifice to testify of His salvation of lost sinners?
That's not the point. Are you under the law or under grace?As a Christian, which of the commandments would you say is not sin? Or what one is not written in your heart?
Is the scripture you were thinking of?The ten commandments are for sinners. Without the ten commandments people could do anything and say that it is not considered a sin. But after we are born again, the laws are written in our hearts. We know what is sin and what is not.
We are counted in as theI have a theory that the very presence of the Sabbath commandment in the Ten informs us that the Ten Commandments are not for Christians.
Is the presence of the Sabbath Commandment
proof that the TCs are not for Christians?
The Bible tells us that the Sabbath is a sign between God and the Israelites alone.
That being the case, how could a set of commandments carrying
the Sabbath commandment be for anyone else?
Exodus 31:13
“Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.
Ezekiel 20:12, 20
Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy. … 20 Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”
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When Jesus spoke to.the rich young man the ten were still in effect. They became completed after His resurrection.When talking to the rich young man, Jesus said that if he would have eternal life, he must keep the commandments (then lists the ones that refer strictly to our relations with one another, rather than God- but would Jesus have us only treat our neighbors well?)/
And by "less legalistically", I mean that the Jews prohibited people from walking more than a certain distance on the Sabbath, or healing afflictions, but Jesus essentially said that this is not how you keep the Sabbath, not that we shouldn't "keep" it at all.
Thanks for your reply.
How could the TCs be for us if the Sabbath is not?
All of them are sin, but if we didn't have the ten commandments how would you know what sin is?As a Christian, which of the commandments would you say is not sin? Or what one is not written in your heart?
I'll try a different approach and tell how I view and use the Ten Commandments. Since we no longer sacrifice animals, or practice Sabbath keeping, or ritual circumcision, it is obvious the Mosaic Law no longer applies. But I think on the Ten Commandments, continuously using them to censor impure thoughts and imaginations. And I also use them as a rule of thumb for doing what is right. I don't steal so I do the opposite, Give. I don't tell lies about people, so I do the opposite, I say good true things about them. I don't covet, so I give instead. And so on.I have a theory that the very presence of the Sabbath commandment in the Ten informs us that the Ten Commandments are not for Christians.
Is the presence of the Sabbath Commandment
proof that the TCs are not for Christians?
The Bible tells us that the Sabbath is a sign between God and the Israelites alone.
That being the case, how could a set of commandments carrying
the Sabbath commandment be for anyone else?
Exodus 31:13
“Say to the Israelites, ‘You must observe my Sabbaths. This will be a sign between me and you for the generations to come, so you may know that I am the Lord, who makes you holy.
Ezekiel 20:12, 20
Also I gave them my Sabbaths as a sign between us, so they would know that I the Lord made them holy. … 20 Keep my Sabbaths holy, that they may be a sign between us. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.”
Thanks for your post.Steven,
Only 9 of the 10 commandments are for Christians. The 4th commandment relating to the Sabbath is not confirmed in the New Covenant. Instead, we meet on the Lord's Day, which is Sunday.
I have compiled a comparison of Scriptures in table form : Ten Commandments Old Testament versus New Testament Commandments
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Thanks Dave, great post.I'll try a different approach and tell how I view and use the Ten Commandments. Since we no longer sacrifice animals, or practice Sabbath keeping, or ritual circumcision, it is obvious the Mosaic Law no longer applies. But I think on the Ten Commandments, continuously using them to censor impure thoughts and imaginations. And I also use them as a rule of thumb for doing what is right. I don't steal so I do the opposite, Give. I don't tell lies about people, so I do the opposite, I say good true things about them. I don't covet, so I give instead. And so on.
But I realize we are under the New Covenant where the Two Great Commandments of love for God and people govern our motives in all we do.
The Sabbath was introduced in Exodus chapter sixteen as part of the manna gathering. The Ten Commandments are in Exodus chapter twenty. It's not likely that the Israelites had forgotten about the Sabbath in four chapters. They had been observing it every week as part of their manna gathering. The "remember" does not mean what you are claiming.Forget what? Observe what? something that was already in place.
I haven't read all of the responses but we know ALSO that Jesus came first for the Jew. That through Moses God told Israel to keep the Commandments. (Did they achieve salvation if they did perfectly? That would be a Jewish thing I think.) The "Commandments" to Israel were first, to bring them back to God after 400 years of being exiled in slavery, and second, to convey to Israel what God considered sin since those generations had not heard the law except through tradition and by word of mouth and that was barely paid attention to while in slavery. (It is possible to see it as they were exiled into slavery by God for failing to obey Him and to meet the needs of justice) But they were also not the only peoples being told to keep the Commandments. Jesus points out to Israel that they were the Jews and had the law, yet and that they (Gentiles) did not have the law but were better at keeping the "Law" they they who had the law. Then Jesus, as he is getting closer to the cross tells both Jew and Gentile to keep the law because he did not destroy it. So first, the law identifies what is sin and then second, the law, if adhered to by both Jew and Gentile, would insure harmony between the two distinct nations giving both a common guide-on to follow. Maybe I am wrong but I live by what I said and have not been convicted by the Holy Spirit to think differently.Thanks for your reply.
Where did Jesus tell us to keep THE Commandments?
Some of them? (pick the ones you like and ignore the rest?)
What do you mean by "a less legalistic way?" ??
I thought "Remember the sabbath and keep it holy" was penned into stone by God on the mountain and handed to Moses. Called the Mosaic Law?The Sabbath was introduced in Exodus chapter sixteen as part of the manna gathering. The Ten Commandments are in Exodus chapter twenty. It's not likely that the Israelites had forgotten about the Sabbath in four chapters. They had been observing it every week as part of their manna gathering. The "remember" does not mean what you are claiming.
That's a great reply, thanks. Consider this.When talking to the rich young man, Jesus said that if he would have eternal life, he must keep the commandments (then lists the ones that refer strictly to our relations with one another, rather than God- but would Jesus have us only treat our neighbors well?)/
And by "less legalistically", I mean that the Jews prohibited people from walking more than a certain distance on the Sabbath, or healing afflictions, but Jesus essentially said that this is not how you keep the Sabbath, not that we shouldn't "keep" it at all.
Thanks for your post. Consider this.I haven't read all of the responses but we know ALSO that Jesus came first for the Jew. That through Moses God told Israel to keep the Commandments. (Did they achieve salvation if they did perfectly? That would be a Jewish thing I think.) The "Commandments" to Israel were first, to bring them back to God after 400 years of being exiled in slavery, and second, to convey to Israel what God considered sin since those generations had not heard the law except through tradition and by word of mouth and that was barely paid attention to while in slavery. (It is possible to see it as they were exiled into slavery by God for failing to obey Him and to meet the needs of justice) But they were also not the only peoples being told to keep the Commandments. Jesus points out to Israel that they were the Jews and had the law, yet and that they (Gentiles) did not have the law but were better at keeping the "Law" they they who had the law. Then Jesus, as he is getting closer to the cross tells both Jew and Gentile to keep the law because he did not destroy it. So first, the law identifies what is sin and then second, the law, if adhered to by both Jew and Gentile, would insure harmony between the two distinct nations giving both a common guide-on to follow. Maybe I am wrong but I live by what I said and have not been convicted by the Holy Spirit to think differently.
Thanks for your post.I thought "Remember the sabbath and keep it holy" was penned into stone by God on the mountain and handed to Moses. Called the Mosaic Law?
Gentiles were not allowed in the synagogues. Even Jewish believers were carried away in chains heading for prison.How many of the other TCs were included at the Jerusalem Council? Does that mean these had no relevance either? Note the implication however in verse 21 that the gentiles were invited to learn more once turning to Christ, in the synagogues on the Sabbath. The other explicit requirements of Acts 15 were regarding salvation / acceptance in the fellowship of the brethren.
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