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Featured Is the posttrib position correct?

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by YeshuaRedeemed, Jun 10, 2019.

  1. ewq1938

    ewq1938 Chewbacca kree! Supporter

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    Not quite. The resurrection is when the dead in Christ come back to bodily immortal life. That's first, then immediately afterward the living in Christ are changed to immortals, then they and only they are raptured which means to be lifted up, they are brought to the clouds of the Earth to meet with Christ during his second coming descent.
     
  2. parousia70

    parousia70 I'm livin' in yesterday's tomorrow Supporter

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    What scripture do you assert teaches the Living are changed IMMEDIATELY after the dead are raised?
     
  3. nolidad

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  4. nolidad

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    Jesus did not preach a post trib rapture. What we call the tribulation, is the 70th week of Daniels prophesy.

    And the 70 weeks are for The Jewish nation to receive Christ.

    Daniel 9:

    24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

    25 Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

    26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

    27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

    MAtt. 24:

    15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

    16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

    17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house:

    18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

    19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!

    20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:

    While revelation is highly symbolic in so many places, one notices the church is not mentioned after Chapter 4 until Chapter 19 When we are in heaven celebrating our marriage to Jesus! this happens before the trib ends so we have to be in heaven prior to the end of teh 70th week. There are many more. One important one (when I have time I will gather all the verses) is that the 70th week is called the wrath of God, the wrath of the Lamb, day of His wrath. So wrath when not specifically called for another thing is always used of the trib and in Thessalonians we are told the church is not ordained to wrath buyt to obtain deliverance!
     
  5. Sam91

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    I misread your title as 'post-rib'. I was thinking to myself 'we all are because Gid used Adam's rib to make Eve.' I was very interested to read your question and then discovered my error. Hehe. :)
     
  6. Bladerunner

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    I disagree.....If Pre-Tribers (as you say) are right, the Post-tribers will have to go through Daniel's 70th week and that my friend is going to be horrible according to Revelation.

    On the other hand, If post-tribers are right, then who will populate the Millennium on earth.

    Blade
     
  7. Bladerunner

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    The "Great Tribulation" that Jesus spoke, has not happened yet especially in 70 ad.

    Blade
     
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  8. Sabertooth

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    If Pre-Tribbers are right, the faithful Post-Tribbers will be caught up, too. These are educated guesses. It isn't like we are stuck with our conclusions, if we are wrong.
     
  9. thomas15

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    If Jesus returned in 70AD as the preterists insist then we would know the identity of the "man of sin" aka: the anti-Christ. That being just one of the many problems with the preterist theory.

    But alas when we look at Mat 24 we see little in history that should have happened as predicted. This is why a careful reading of the Scriptures is important. It all comes down to how seriously one takes the words of the Bible.
     
  10. Guojing

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    If post trib is a necessity for the church, then every Christian who has died since Christ would have to be resurrected, along with those living, to face the trib.

    The twisted implication is that all of us should pray that the trib won't happen in our lifetime, so that we don't have to go thru that.
     
  11. throughfireytrial

    throughfireytrial Truth-Lover Supporter

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    Could you do me a favor and define posttribber? I am an amil. Happy to discuss as time permits.
     
  12. Sabertooth

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    That is not a foregone conclusion.
     
  13. thomas15

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    A pre-trib, pre-mil dispensational approach would say that the purpose of the tribulation is to prepare Israel to finally accept her Savior and bring in the promised 1000 year millennium. Of course most Covenant Christians would reject this.

    But pretend just for a moment that the dispies are correct. The various judgements in the book of Revelation do have a certain similarity and end result as the judgements awarded to Egypt at the time of the Exodus.
     
  14. PeterJames0510

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    Actually, a pre-wrather convinced me my pre-trib position is correct! More tomorrow. :)
     
  15. PaulCyp1

    PaulCyp1 Well-Known Member Supporter

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    Jesus Christ gave us just one way to know if a particular belief is true. Does it agree with the teaching of the one Church He founded, which He said was to remain one, to which He promised "The Holy Spirit will guide you into all truth", and "Whatsoever you bind upon Earth is bound in Heaven", and "He who hears you hears Me". If it conflicts with the teaching of His one Church, it is false.
     
  16. keras

    keras Writer of Bible prophecy studies.

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    Correction: If what people like to believe conflicts with what the Bible actually says, or cannot be found there; then it is just a fable, as Paul says in 2 Timothy 4:3-4.
     
  17. throughfireytrial

    throughfireytrial Truth-Lover Supporter

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    The One church Jesus spoke of though is an invisible church...He is speaking of all true believers, the compilation of which is known only to God who alone knows the hearts and minds of all mankind. Unity was always taught within the church due to Christ's teachings, but the Apostle Paul and Barnabas did part company after a hot dispute and in the end it served God's purpose of furthering the Gospel message...later they reunited.
    We can also see from the Revelation letters that the One church is an invisible church and doctrinal issues are paramount.
     
  18. Guojing

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    Are u saying you believe the entire body of Christ, even those who are dead, will be resurrected just to face the tribulation, for the sake of "testing their faith"?

    Do you really think Jesus will do that?
     
  19. Brian Mcnamee

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    Ok I am a futurist and tend towards pretrib and I have always thought that the application is to be ready to meet the LORD at anytime and to be about His business. So as a post tribber what other preparations have you made? Do you have a bug out plan a safe house with 7 years of food in it? How close do you think we are to the onset of the 70th week? I think we are close and can see the specifics of the middle of the week starting to line up. Anyways let me know what distinct differences there are in your world verse mine based on this difference in eschatology. Any others can chime in too.
     
  20. Sabertooth

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    Not at all. I thought that you said that...
    I was disputing such a notion.
     
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