Is the fundamental gap between creationists and non-creationists...

[Speedwell]

Sure it will. You see it on here all the time. Atheists who rely on evolution for everything making fun of Christians for saying God did it.

Of course, because they offer "God did it" as an alternative to a scientific explanation. As a Christian I take a poor view of it myself, because it's bad theology--although I wouldn't really want to make fun of them for it.

 

[Astrid]

Crystals don’t build themselves?

What evidence do you have to substantiate the claim that everything is designed.

It is an extraordinary thing to learn that even a mud puddle
is designed!

There is a safe zone here, which is where most of the discussion
on evolution is just among believers, safe from atheist thoughts.
People who cannot handle challenges without getting emotional
and I'll mannered should probably stay with the chioir.

 

[Astrid]

Of course, because they offer "God did it" as an alternative to a scientific explanation. As a Christian I take a poor view of it myself, because it's bad theology--although I wouldn't really want to make fun of them for it.

Rely on " evolution "? Rely on facts and the scientific method, SVP!
Same as is done by educated Chrudtians who actually
understand science.

Making fun of creationists? Making fun of ideas instead of
people is the idea, and a mandate of the forum.
Many of the creationist ideas we see are so wacky
that they hardly leave room for fun making or
parody- see poes law.

I would never make fun of someone for being Christizn,
tho I must say, I often enough see Bible quotes posted
to show how dreadful and stupid I must bel

 

[Frank Robert]

What is a natural force?

The environment is an example of a natural force

Did it create itself?

No. It is dependent on radiation from the sun

So you end up at the same place creationists do, depending on a force that just was there somehow.

No. The environment explains why natural selection in the humans that migrated from Africa to colder climates with less sunlight favored lighter skin color.

 

[dlamberth]

At any rate creation still demands a designer, either way. It doesn't explain itself adequately.

Creation does not demand a designer. All that's required is a creative universe.

 

[AV1611VET]

Creation does not demand a designer.

Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

If that doesn't speak of a designer, what does?

 

[renniks]

Are you able to see maybe some sense Divine ground in Nature?

I see God's beauty in nature and even sometimes in people. I think what you sense isn't that nature itself is divine, but it points up to a transcendent Creator.

 

[renniks]

Creation does not demand a designer. All that's required is a creative universe.

Um, the universe is part of creation.

 

[renniks]

Of course, because they offer "God did it" as an alternative to a scientific explanation. As a Christian I take a poor view of it myself, because it's bad theology--although I wouldn't really want to make fun of them for it.

But that's the point! There is no scientific explanation of why it all exists. Science at best just gets us from point a. to point b.

 

[renniks]

The environment is an example of a natural force

No. It is dependent on radiation from the sun

No. The environment explains why natural selection in the humans that migrated from Africa to colder climates with less sunlight favored lighter skin color.

So God allowed for adaptation, by encoding thier DNA, and he created the environment.
It just kicks the can further up the road. Nature didn't create itself and it certainly could not function as it does without a designer.

 

[Astrid]

So God allowed for adaptation, by encoding thier DNA, and he created the environment.
It just kicks the can further up the road. Nature didn't create itself and it certainly could not function as it does without a designer.

No theory of the origin of the universe has been proved
therefore design.

 

[dlamberth]

Um, the universe is part of creation.

Yep...self created.

 

[dlamberth]

Nature didn't create itself and it certainly could not function as it does without a designer.

Nature sure can create itSelf. Just look around.

 

[dlamberth]

I see God's beauty in nature and even sometimes in people. I think what you sense isn't that nature itself is divine, but it points up to a transcendent Creator.

The way I'd describe it is that Nature and all of the Universe and everything in it is a manifestation of God.

 

[Astrid]

Yep...self created.

Have you read Tegmark on mathematical universe

 

[dlamberth]

Psalm 19:1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
2 Day unto day uttereth speech, and night unto night sheweth knowledge.
3 There is no speech nor language, where their voice is not heard.
4 Their line is gone out through all the earth, and their words to the end of the world. In them hath he set a tabernacle for the sun,
5 Which is as a bridegroom coming out of his chamber, and rejoiceth as a strong man to run a race.
6 His going forth is from the end of the heaven, and his circuit unto the ends of it: and there is nothing hid from the heat thereof.

If that doesn't speak of a designer, what does?

I'd say more like a manifestation of God than a designer.

 

[dlamberth]

Have you read Tegmark on mathematical universe

Nope.
I just googled him. Very impressive.

 

[Astrid]

Nope.
I just googled him. Very impressive.

Highly recommended

 

[renniks]

Nature sure can create itSelf. Just look around.

I have. That's how I know it's impossible.

 

[Mr Laurier]

Simply, Jesus was God, He lived, died, and was resurrected. Without those facts there is no Christian Religion.

Actualy... there is. As long as the ideas attributed to Jesus, are held as sacred... you dont need anything else