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Is the fundamental gap between creationists and non-creationists...

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Just love k at Jesus, who is God and created the world, and the separation of creator from creation becomes incredibly obvious.

Shalom.
Thanks. I just don't know how to separate the Life Force of God from this Creation. To separate Christ from Humanity doesn't work for me either.
 
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Is it a sin or a crime?
In Belgium the speed limit is 120 km/h. In France it is 130 km/h. Is driving 125 km/h a sin? Do you break any divine rule at 125 km/h?
Missing the point. Breaking the law is sin, unless it's a law that runs counter to God's laws. Why would it be wrong to drive 125 km an hour if the speed limit was 130?
 
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Sin is defined as intentional disobedience to the known will of God. An atheist would not characterize a wrongdoing as "sin" because he does not believe in God, not because he denies the possibility of wrongdoing.
It's still sin whether he believes in it or not.
 
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In spite of it. Spring festivals existed long before Easter. Interesting that the English speaking world chose to celebrate a pagan goddess, don't you think?

We celebrate the resurrection of Jesus on the Jewish feast of Passover, because Jesus is the Passover lamb that the first Passover was the foreshadow of.

The pagan goddess is irrelevant to our celebrating resurrection day.

Shalom.
 
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chad kincham

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I'm still trying to understand why you find eternity scary. You really haven't made that point that I've seen.

I guarantee you that when they’re facing eternity on their deathbed, that’s what would scare them, and they’d wish for more time.
 
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So the purpose in the afterlife will be 'to live' and 'to reign'?
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How can 'to live' happen in an afterlife?
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ii) 'Reign' over what, exactly?

When Jesus returns and rules over the nations of earth with a rod of Iron, His followers will rule and reign with Him, per the book of Revelation.
 
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Missing the point. Breaking the law is sin, unless it's a law that runs counter to God's laws. Why would it be wrong to drive 125 km an hour if the speed limit was 130?
Why would it be oké to drive at 125 km/h when the speed limit is 120 km/h?
What divine rule do you break?
 
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chad kincham

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No, my point is the same as Bungle Bear's: despite your claims to the contrary, most of the Bible was written before Christianity existed.

And the Old Testament is chock full of foreshadows and prophecies about the new covenant to come - it in fact points the way to it.
 
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I would resist, just like the native Palestinians have done.
The problem is that the occupation are not neighbors. They are foreign invaders from across the sea.
And the Palestinians have given up over half of their [bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse][bless and do not curse] state. But the settlers keep taking more.
 
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The pages might be good apologetics but is not it is not evidence that can be demonstrated using the scientific method because it is not falsifiable.

Science philosopher Karl Popper infamously got into big trouble for honestly admitting that evolution is not science, but is metaphysics, because it’s not falsifiable - every time one area of evolutionary theory dead-ends, they just hop onto another rabbit trail, over and over again.

After the weight of the entire science community fell on him in outrage for telling it like it is, he had to back peddle as fast as he could.
 
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No no. I caught that part. It stood out. It was key to my assessment. I've seen it before. Up close on things I really know a lot about. (The things I study.) It's a very common phenomenon that is at the heart of the aphorism "science advances one funeral at a time". There are a lot of scientists who don't like when new results change what they learned or the framework they used to analyze things.

He also seems to miscomprehend the "cold fusion" episode. An incident where the community reactions were strong and largely negative and it was early recognized that the most likely source of the signal report was some sort of measurement error or insufficient control that would have been caught in a proper review prior to publication.

I'm not going to review the new material that you posted as it is quite technical and outside of my expertise.
 
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That's all I wanted you to say, captain.

You can go on and on and on about how bad the tabloids were, but scientists did their part as well; and it's the scientists, not the tabloids, I'm calling out.

Scientists named a specimen. That's all they did.
The fact that you want me to bury the facts, in favour f your fantasy, tells me that you are more interested in upholding your own delusion, than in the truth.
 
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C14 is particularly unreliable due to the degradation of the earths magnetic field.

The Earth's magnetic field isn't strong enough to alter the decay of *any* nucleus, including Carbon-14.
 
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You’ve fallen for the outrageous propaganda hook, line and sinker.

When the League of Nations/ United Nations gave that land to Israel there was a slogan that went with it - a land without people, for a people without a land.

That’s backed up by the famous skeptic Mark Twain, who wrote about his visit to that land before Israelis moved there, and described it as a sparsely populated desert land.

Only after Israel moved there and terraformed the desert and invented things like drip irrigation, and made the area habitable, did the Arabs start moving in and tried to claim it as theirs.

The Israelis had no problem letting Arabs move there, but in 1948 as soon as Israel officially became a nation, six surrounding Arab nations attacked them to destroy them, and they ordered the Arabs to leave the area until Israel was wiped out, thus becoming so-called refugees, which the Arabs are still using after decades, for political reasons, as part of the false accusations and propaganda against Israel.
 
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Try looking up Harvard law school founder and expert in legal rules of evidence, Simon Greenlleaf, who examined the gospels as a skeptic with the intent of discrediting them, but found the evidence went the other way, and wrote about it in “The Testimony of the Evangelicals” which is still kept on some law school websites, such as this one:

Testimony of the Evangelists by Simon Greenleaf
 
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The Earth's magnetic field isn't strong enough to alter the decay of *any* nucleus, including Carbon-14.

El wrongo.

C14 is created high up in the stratosphere and falls to earth where it ends up in the food chain and therefore in plants and animals, and they measure levels of it to obtain an age for a plant or dead animal.

Except the strength of the magnetosphere also degrades, it has a half life too, and the strength of the magnetic field has a direct affect on how much C 14 falls to earth and is absorbed by living things, and thus it can’t be a reliable radiometric dating system - which explains how living animals have been dated at 40,000 years old.
 
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The New Testament was written by eyewitnesses.
 
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Wrongo back at ya.

I am perfectly aware that C-14 forms up in the atmosphere and that the production of C-14 and its injection into the lower atmosphere varies with time including from the geomagnetic field *and* the solar cycle. So are the people who use it. C-14 dating is calibrated against other dating methods (tree rings, etc.). C-14 dating is *not* dependent on the knowledge of the production rate. Especially since we only have a decent clue about the production rate in the last 100 years or so.

The really wild answers arise from creatures that ingest carbon depleted of C-14, and similar issues *not* related to the atmospheric injection rate.
 
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