Is the fundamental gap between creationists and non-creationists...

[disciple Clint]

Jewish holy law

Can you show me the exact wording you are talking about, general answers are not helpful as evidence. I would be shocked that over all these years no one would have raised your objection about the coins, there were Jewish scholars reviewing everything that claimed to support that Jesus was God.

 

[coffee4u]

They play games with radiometric dating, to get the age that they want something to be.

C14 is particularly unreliable due to the degradation of the earths magnetic field.

They play games with all sorts of things.
1 Corinthians 3:19
For the wisdom of this world is foolishness in God's sight. As it is written: "He catches the wise in their craftiness"

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Can you show me the exact wording you are talking about, general answers are not helpful as evidence. I would be shocked that over all these years no one would have raised your objection about the coins, there were Jewish scholars reviewing everything that claimed to support that Jesus was God.

The Jews of the time would consider the practice idolatry.
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Let's get back to the coin(s) dilemma. I would quote the greatest specialist in this field, Prof. L.Y. Rahamni (Chief Curator of the Israel Department of Antiquities and Museums):

"No coins of the period 50 B.C. to 70 A.D. were found in any tomb. In the first century Jewish Palestine theplacing of the coins was looked upon as idolatry; there was only a Greco-Roman custom according to which a coin was placed in the mouth of the deceased, so that he could pay Charon for conveying his shades across the Styx. Prof. N. Avigad of the Hebrew University, who excavated a great many of tombs of the period in question, in and around Jerusalem, and Mr. A. Kloner, District Archeologist, who has lately had a great practical experience in this field, confirmed to me this scarcity of even one coin in such tombs. If at all encountered inside a tomb, such a stray coin has been found in the debris and not even in the tomb's loculi. It may be added that no coins have been reported from inside a Jewish ossuary nor does such a custom exist at the time at all. No archeological or literary evidence exists from the 1st century A.D. fro a custom of covering the eyes of the deceased with coins, then the existence of such a custom from the same period must be denied."
Doubts Concerning the Coins Over the Eyes

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Better do some actual study.

I suggest you need to do a lot more than I do.

 

[chad kincham]

No, it isn't.

Because it's the study of how organic chemistry increases in complexity and about mechanisms for the beginning of replicators.

These are factual avenues of research with measurable results.

There are no successful results.

No one is close to creating DNA, RNA, or a precursor to RNA under prebiotic conditions.

In fact information theory has proven the impossibility of a random assembling of amino acids into a living cell, ever.

Organic chemistry professor James Tour exposes the facts:

 

[SelfSim]

There are no successful results.

No one is close to creating DNA, RNA, or a precursor to RNA under prebiotic conditions.

Hachimoji DNA:

.. is a synthetic nucleic acid analog that uses four synthetic nucleotides in addition to the four present in the natural nucleic acids, DNA and RNA. This leads to four allowed base pairs: two unnatural base pairs formed by the synthetic nucleobases in addition to the two normal pairs. Hachimoji bases have been demonstrated in both DNA and RNA analogs, using deoxyribose and ribose respectively as the backbone sugar.

Benefits of such a nucleic acid system may include an enhanced ability to store data, as well as insights into what may be possible in the search for extraterrestrial life.

The hachimoji DNA system produced one type of catalytic RNA (ribozyme or aptamer) in vitro.

 

[chad kincham]

Hachimoji DNA:

No one is even remotely close to making functional DNA under any conceivable PREBIOTIC CONDITIONS.

I suggest you watch the video by synthetic organic Professor James Tour.

 

[chad kincham]

'Division and growth of synthetic vesicles' puts that one to rest.
(Ie: @Ponderous Curmudgeon was right about the false dichotomy).
News article here:
.. and then:

That’s laughable. Do you not understand that no one is even close to making a living cell under ideal laboratory conditions, let alone prebiotic conditions?

Your reply is a farce.

 

[SelfSim]

That’s laughable. Do you not understand that no one is even close to making a living cell under ideal laboratory conditions, let alone prebiotic conditions?

Scientists create simple synthetic cell that grows and divides normally:

Scientists at JCVI constructed the first cell with a synthetic genome in 2010. They didn't build that cell completely from scratch. Instead, they started with cells from a very simple type of bacteria called a mycoplasma. They destroyed the DNA in those cells and replaced it with DNA that was designed on a computer and synthesized in a lab. This was the first organism in the history of life on Earth to have an entirely synthetic genome. They called it JCVI-syn1.0.

.. more work done since then:

Since then, scientists have been working to strip that organism down to its minimum genetic components. The super-simple cell they created five years ago, dubbed JCVI-syn3.0, was perhaps too minimalist. The researchers have now added 19 genes back to this cell, including the seven needed for normal cell division, to create the new variant, JCVI-syn3A. This variant has fewer than 500 genes. To put that number in perspective, the E. coli bacteria that live in your gut have about 4,000 genes. A human cell has around 30,000.

 

[SelfSim]

No one is even remotely close to making functional DNA under any conceivable PREBIOTIC CONDITIONS.

Who says DNA/RNA had to come first?:
Origins of life? Discovery could help explain how first organisms emerged on Earth:

The widely accepted view among scientists is that RNA, found in all living cells, would have likely represented the first molecules of life, hypothesizing an "RNA-first" view of the origin of living systems from non-living molecules. Blaber's results indicate that the set of amino acids produced by simple chemical processes contains the requisite information to produce complex folded proteins, which supports an opposing "protein-first" view.

Another prevailing view holds that a high-temperature (thermophile) environment, such as deep-ocean thermal vents, may have been the breeding ground for the origin of life.

.. conclusion:

"Rather than a curious niche that life evolved into, the halophile environment now may take center stage as the likely location for key aspects of abiogenesis," he said. "Likewise, the role of the formation of proteins takes on additional importance in the earliest steps in the beginnings of life on Earth."

 

[Subduction Zone]

Abiogenesis research is spontaneous generation of life, all over again, and is just as bogus.

It appears that you do not even understand what Pasteur demonstrated with his "Law of Biogenesis". Most creationists do not either. All he proved is that in a limited time modern day bacteria do not form in a solution of sterilized and sealed broth. He did not disprove abiogenesis.

 

[Subduction Zone]

No one is even remotely close to making functional DNA under any conceivable PREBIOTIC CONDITIONS.

I suggest you watch the video by synthetic organic Professor James Tour.

Are you talking about the video where he was caught lying so badly that he apologized to Nobel laureate Jack Szostak?

 

[SelfSim]

Organic chemistry professor James Tour exposes the facts:

James Tour:

He is a Professor of Chemistry, Professor of Materials Science and NanoEngineering, and Professor of Computer Science at Rice University in Houston, Texas.

Basically a materials scientist who rejects ID:

Tour's work is primarily focused on carbon materials chemistry and nanotechnology.

..

So I prefer to be free of that ID label. As a modern-day scientist, I do not know how to prove intelligent design using my most sophisticated analytical tools— the canonical tools are, by their own admission, inadequate to answer the intelligent design question. I cannot lay the issue at the doorstep of a benevolent creator or even an impersonal intelligent designer. All I can presently say is that my chemical tools do not permit my assessment of intelligent design.

 

[SelfSim]

Are you talking about the video where he was caught lying so badly that he apologized to Nobel laureate Jack Szostak?

We need ta see that one!

 

[Subduction Zone]

We need ta see that one!

There is no video of the apology itself, but the fact of it is supported by both sides. His video was rather awful. I will have to see if I can find the video of another chemist who demonstrates how Tour lied.

 

[Subduction Zone]

We need ta see that one!

Here is a video where Tour's lies and errors are explained by Dr. Gary Hurd:

Gary Hurd | Center for Inquiry

 

[Shemjaza]

There are no successful results.

No one is close to creating DNA, RNA, or a precursor to RNA under prebiotic conditions.

In fact information theory has proven the impossibility of a random assembling of amino acids into a living cell, ever.

Organic chemistry professor James Tour exposes the facts:

Amino acids aren't a precursor to RNA?

No one is claiming to have demonstrated either a new abiogenesis or what the original was... I was pointing out your lie about the "Law of Biogenesis" somehow disproving the possibility of abiogenesis.

 

[SelfSim]

Here is a video where Tour's lies and errors are explained by Dr. Gary Hurd:

Gary Hurd | Center for Inquiry

Good one! Thanks for that .. cleared up a few questions I had, too.
(Hurd needs a haircut! )

 

[Astrid]

Do I consider what to be proof of God?

The shroud

 

[disciple Clint]

The shroud

The odds of this First Century Palestinian burial shroud—with the unique features of Jesus’ crucifixion and resurrection—being that of anyone but Jesus is exceedingly remote. Inasmuch as the image is not a forgery, and it originated from a real person living at the time of Jesus, crucified in the unique way of Jesus, and producing a burst of intense vacuum ultraviolet radiation from his decomposing body, who else would it be? Given all this, we might reasonably infer that the Shroud is the burial cloth of Jesus which contains not only a relic of his crucifixion, but also his resurrection in glory. If so, it shows both the truth of the most significant event in human history as well as the accuracy of the Gospel accounts of it. The 7 Essential Modules - Credible Catholic