Is the fundamental gap between creationists and non-creationists...

[AV1611VET]

I cant roll my eyes hard enough.

Should I expect you, an atheist, to believe it?

 

[Astrid]

a question is about a specific item is asked, I give an answer about that specific question, apparently you do not like me posting things that draw attention to the existence of God, so then you complain that the answer is off topic. SOLUTION: do not ask off topic questions that are going to cause off topic answers.

So do you consider this proof of god?

 

[Speedwell]

I think your post is off topic, this thread is not about what I post in answer to the questions I am asked, please try to say on topic.

OK, I guess it is useless to ask why you have pursued an off-topic side discussion.

 

[VirOptimus]

Should I expect you, an atheist, to believe it?

You shouldnt expect any rational person to belive that crap.

 

[Astrid]

For making a mistake and then correcting it themselves. And why does that get your knickers in such a twist?

When you examine the churchs behaviour,
there is such a flood of misfeanasnce, collusion,
malfeasance, fraud, terrorism, murder and torture, which makes
it like super important to try to find any errors ever made
by individual scientists or amateurs, haul them out over
and over and make as big a deal as possible, which requires
not just reaching back through the decades. but running
them through the creoconverter until misrepresented
beyond recognition except the name.

 

[AV1611VET]

You shouldnt expect any rational person to belive that crap.

Then I'll ask you basically the same question I asked driewerf:

Okay with you if I portion out your backyard to your neighbors?

 

[chad kincham]

Nobody suggested that anybody faked a photographic negative. PERIOD

Yet they would have to have done exactly that, if the shroud is a fake, since the image is that of a negative image.

 

[AV1611VET]

When you examine the churchs behaviour,

Which church's behavior? you've got what? 38,000 to pick from?

Which one(s) specifically are you addressing?

Or are you addressing all 38,000 collectively?

That's what you learn to do in college, isn't it?

 

[VirOptimus]

Then I'll ask you basically the same question I asked driewerf:

Okay with you if I portion out your backyard to your neighbors?

?

 

[driewerf]

You mean this?

• 30 October 1991: The Halloween Monster, a.k.a. The Perfect Storm, strikes the U.S. amid the "land-for-peace" Madrid peace talks; President Bush's ocean-side home destroyed.
• 23 August 1992: President Bush moves Madrid talks to U.S. soil; that very day, Hurricane Andrew devastates southern Florida.
• 16 January 1994: President Clinton meets with Syrian President Hafez Assad to discuss more "land for peace" arrangements; less than 24 hours later, a 6.9 earthquake pulverized southern California.
• 1 September 1993: President Clinton announces a meeting with Arafat for the Oslo peace accords, to be held on 13 September; after a week of meandering in the Atlantic Ocean, Hurricane Emily hits North Carolina on that very day.
• 21 January 1998: while waiting to meet with Arafat at the White House, President Clinton's sex scandal breaks out.
• 27 September 1998: Arafat is meeting with the president in Washington; Hurricane Georges hits Alabama and stalls. The hurricane stalls until Arafat leaves and then it dissipates. Parts of Alabama declared a disaster area.
• 17 October 1998: Arafat comes to the Wye Plantation meeting; incredible rains fall on Texas, which cause record flooding. Parts of Texas declared a disaster area.
• 3 September 1999: Secretary of State Albright meets with Arafat in Israel; Hurricane Dennis comes ashore on this very day after weeks of changing course in the Atlantic Ocean.
• 12-26 July 2000: Arafat at the Camp David meetings. Powerful droughts throughout the country. Forest fires explode in West into uncontrollable fires. By the end of August, 7 million acres are burnt.
• 9 November 2000, two days after the presidential election: Arafat meets with President Clinton at the White House to try and salvage the peace process; worst election crisis in over 100 years occurs

Yep, that was the list.

 

[Ponderous Curmudgeon]

Should I expect you, an atheist, to believe it?

No, nor anyone more rational than the "God sent Katrina" to punish New Orleans crowd as you intended.

 

[chad kincham]

That sounds fine, but I will continue to put my faith in Jesus instead.

And the only way you know what Jesus taught, said, and did, is from the scriptures.

If they aren’t reliable, then neither is your knowledge about Jesus - thus its a contradiction to state you believe Jesus above the words in the Bible.

Shalom.

 

[chad kincham]

That's something I really don't understand. The idea of existing for eternity is horrific. While I may want a few extra years in my life, at some stage I want the lights to go out.

I guarantee you that on your deathbed, you won’t be saying you’re ready for oblivion - which BTW is untrue, when you draw your last mortal breath you will be in eternity forever as a conscious soul, either in paradise or in hades.

 

[chad kincham]

Of course it is.

An evolutionist sees creatures with similar structures and sees common decent.
A creationist sees creatures with similar structures and sees a creator who used similar structures for all-since why reinvent the wheel?

An evolutionist see a dating method as showing X takes y years and uses it to date backwards because in their world view the world they test now is the same as the world at the very beginning.
A creationist sees a dating method showing X years and knows it only shows how X works now because we know the world we have now is not the same as the world as it was at the beginning. It has gone through at least 2 changes and that nothing is known about the proprieties and levels of how it was when first created.

An evolutionist is dealing in tests and substances and mathematics and only allowing for natural scientific testing and reasoning.
A creationist is dealing with miracles, how sin came to be and God's word fitting together.

They play games with radiometric dating, to get the age that they want something to be.

C14 is particularly unreliable due to the degradation of the earths magnetic field.

 

[Speedwell]

And the only way you know what Jesus taught, said, and did, is from the scriptures.

Only Protestants believe that.

 

[chad kincham]

That would be incorrect.
Try a hard Panenthiest.
I simply do not know how to separate God from life and this Creation.

Just love k at Jesus, who is God and created the world, and the separation of creator from creation becomes incredibly obvious.

Shalom.

 

[chad kincham]

Well since there is no empirical evidence that life can be generated from non life or that nothing can become something reality would require acceptance of the existence of God.

In fact there’s a scientific law called the law of biogenesis that states life only comes from other life.

 

[AV1611VET]

No, nor anyone more rational than the "God sent Katrina" to punish New Orleans crowd as you intended.

God doesn't work that way, does He?

 

[chad kincham]

Since there is no empirical evidence for God reality would require acceptance of life coming from non life.

Seriously, did you even think through your assertion?

Yet it’s a fact that the biological programming language that is the operating system that cells run on called DNA, can only come from an intelligent mind.

There is no natural mechanism that can write information such as DNA is comprised of, its a four letter biological programming code that can’t write itself anymore than the binary programming language that our computers run on, such as Windows, can write itself.

Instinct is another proof that life requires an intelligent creator.

Remember that learned knowledge and behavior is not heritable - thus the sucking reflex, which is instinctual behavior without which newborn mammals would die because they couldn’t get nourishment - is a pre-programmed behavior that is like ROM memory pre-programmed into a PC, without which it couldn’t function at all.

There are many other complex instinctual behaviors without which many animal and insect species could not survive - all pre-programmed knowledge requiring a programmer, just as DNA requires a code writing intelligence to create it.

 

[chad kincham]

Did you? Where is your evidence that there is no empirical evidence for God? There is historical data that the Gospel is accurate. There is also empirical evidence that confirms intelligent design and that the universe had a beginning. Since it had a beginning it therefore had a cause and that cause had to be uncaused at some point in regression.

And the laws of thermodynamics states that energy cannot be created - thus the creation of energy that became matter from the Big Bang, (which wound up the universe that is currently unwinding and headed for heat death due to entropy), is an event outside of the known natural laws of physics and science, is by definition SUPERNATURAL, which means God created the Big Bang supernaturally.