Is the fundamental gap between creationists and non-creationists...

[Bungle_Bear]

I'm not concerned with an anachronism. AV seems to be strongly asserting (and who would deny it?) that 'Easter' is a particularly Christian thing, and not at all a Jewish thing (i.e. Passover).

And that God himself ensured that the word "Easter" was correctly placed into this passage, uniquely among the translations of pascha.

The passage says that Herod intended to do something after Easter.

Why would Herod set his timetable by a Christian holiday?

It's particularly hypocritical of him when he writes things like

I'd be moderated if I said what I think [historical] science does to the Jew's religion; but for the record, their Passover is a sacred time to them, and it's interesting that that time is coming up

 

[renniks]

Where does the bible say there is a purpose in the afterlife?

What it says is that everything, including us, will be different. We will have restricted feelings, eg no negative emotions, only positive ones (though how it's possible to have a comparative without a comparable is beyond me). So if God's going to change you, it's not really you gaining eternal life and all bets are off.

In Revelation. It says we will live in a beautiful city and that the children of God will reign. Why would you want negative feelings? It will certainly be us without the garbage that we should be wanting to leave behind every day in this veil of tears.

 

[SelfSim]

In Revelation. It says we will live in a beautiful city and that the children of God will reign.

So the purpose in the afterlife will be 'to live' and 'to reign'?
i) How can 'to live' happen in an afterlife?
and;
ii) 'Reign' over what, exactly?

 

[loveofourlord]

I believe there is a horrible punishment before one is finally erased from existence. Why would one want to go through all that for a season of sin? Also, existing forever is not existing forever in a sin filled world that you are familiar with. No doubt that is why you would find such an idea horrific. If you lived in a place that had no more pain, dying, and or sorrow it would be amazing. It would be a place of perfect peace, and joy. Who wouldn't want that?

well to be fair, even in a perfect world it would get boring eventually in theory, you would have read every book, played every game, seen every movie, done everything you ever wanted to do, possibly multiple times. I think "the good place." got it right there hehe.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

In Revelation. It says we will live in a beautiful city and that the children of God will reign. Why would you want negative feelings? It will certainly be us without the garbage that we should be wanting to leave behind every day in this veil of tears.

Uh huh. What is the purpose of that existence? And as I said, if you have nothing to compare "joy" to, how can you feel "joy"? Being in a constant, unchanging single emotional state is not part of the human experience. So, either you'll no longer be you or you'll go insane because you need those changes to be you.

You haven't ever thought this through, have you?

 

[AV1611VET]

I agree wholeheartedly with you. AV seems unable to grasp that Christianity did not exist when most of the bible was written but grew over of a number of centuries.

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

 

[disciple Clint]

I bet you can't provide any.

I bet you can't provide any.

Assertions are not evidence.

Here is evidence for all I have posted, if you can come up with counter argument for any of these, post it, I bet you wont. I am ready to collect on your bets, pay up. 7 Essential Modules - Magis Center

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Here is evidence for all I have posted, if you can come up with counter argument for any of these, post it, I bet you wont. I am ready to collect on your bets, pay up. 7 Essential Modules - Magis Center

Lol. I didn't ask for a link to random PRATTs. I (correctly) predicted you couldn't provide any evidence in support of your assertion of historical accuracy of gospels and empirical evidence for ID.

Feel free to try again, but please only post relevant information.

 

[disciple Clint]

Lol. I didn't ask for a link to random PRATTs. I (correctly) predicted you couldn't provide any evidence in support of your assertion of historical accuracy of gospels and empirical evidence for ID.

Feel free to try again, but please only post relevant information.

Random PRATTS? SERIOULY? this is academically supported information written by an expert in the field, read it and the foot notes, you want answers you need to be willing to read them when they are provided and not attempt to escape the truth by dismissing the evidence without even reading it. You might what to start by reading to bio of the author. Robert J. Spitzer SJ (born May 16, 1952) is a Jesuit priest, philosopher, educator, author, speaker, and retired President of Gonzaga University in Spokane, Washington. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...zer_(priest)&usg=AOvVaw2TimCghI-Icj4wtQwLyE_A

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Random PRATTS? SERIOULY? this is academically supported information written by an expert in the field, read it and the foot notes, you want answers you need to be willing to read them when they are provided and not attempt to escape the truth by dismissing the evidence without even reading it. You might what to start by reading to bio of the author. Robert J. Spitzer SJ (born May 16, 1952) is a Jesuit priest, philosopher, educator, author, speaker, and retired President of Gonzaga University in Spokane, Washington. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj_osbn57vvAhXWJTQIHXaPCf8QmhMwHXoECBQQAg&url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Spitzer_(priest)&usg=AOvVaw2TimCghI-Icj4wtQwLyE_A

I've seen them before. There is nothing convincing in there, and certainly nothing that cannot easily be refuted. They're called PRATTs because they have been presented and refuted many times. Perhaps you should do a little research before claiming to have an unassailable argument.

Feel free to pick what you consider to be great evidence for historical accuracy of the gospels or empirical evidence for ID and let's see how convincing it really is.

 

[disciple Clint]

I've seen them before. There is nothing convincing in there, and certainly nothing that cannot easily be refuted. They're called PRATTs because they have been presented and refuted many times. Perhaps you should do a little research before claiming to have an unassailable argument.

Feel free to pick what you consider to be great evidence for historical accuracy of the gospels or empirical evidence for ID and let's see how convincing it really is.

Well then it should be very easy for you to refute them, the ball is in your court.

 

[Astrid]

I've seen them before. There is nothing convincing in there, and certainly nothing that cannot easily be refuted. They're called PRATTs because they have been presented and refuted many times. Perhaps you should do a little research before claiming to have an unassailable argument.

Feel free to pick what you consider to be great evidence for historical accuracy of the gospels or empirical evidence for ID and let's see how convincing it really is.

He is right in challenging "refuted". Those points are chosen because you
can't refute them, being as they are, rabbits holes.
Kalam cosmo is not even science at all, but philosophy.
Who can refute philosophy? Argue day and night over
things as simple as seeing the inside of a brick,
Break it and look inside? Nope, that new surface
is plainly the outside.

Now actual science, you can support or disprove with actual
facts.

It's tiresome I know to point out double standards, but we
can't help observing that the evidence for evolution v zero
evidence against it has no persuasive power to a fundy,
But a mishmash of woo woo like "nde" is Proof, for their
predetermined, of course, conclusion.

 

[Astrid]

Well then it should be very easy for you to refute them, the ball is in your court.

Um, we ask for one fact for ID, you serve zero then say ball is
in the other court? You sure that is how it works?

 

[Speedwell]

Acts 11:26 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.

Right. And most of the Bible was written before that.

 

[Speedwell]

Here is evidence for all I have posted, if you can come up with counter argument for any of these, post it, I bet you wont. I am ready to collect on your bets, pay up. 7 Essential Modules - Magis Center

That's certainly a big fail. No evidence for the literal inerrancy of the Gospels and no evidence for ID either--just as Bungle Bear predicted. But no one who knows anything about the Roman Catholic faith is surprised. Catholics do not subscribe to either of those doctrines.

 

[AV1611VET]

Right. And most of the Bible was written before that.

Jesus set up the New Testament church and put it into operation.

So yes, there were Christians alive and well circa AD 33.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Jesus set up the New Testament church and put it into operation.

So yes, there were Christians alive and well circa AD 33.

You don't get to move the goalposts because you've lost the argument. You can admit you are wrong (that would get props from me), deny you are wrong (that would be dishonest) or say nothing (that's the expected reaction)

 

[Astrid]

You don't get to move the goalposts because you've lost the argument. You can admit you are wrong (that would get props from me), deny you are wrong (that would be dishonest) or say nothing (that's the expected reaction)

Few will admit it, but their actions betray their
belief that they are infallible.

 

[Bungle_Bear]

Well then it should be very. easy for you to refute them, the ball is in your court.

I asked you to present what you consider to be evidence for historical accuracy of the gospels or empirical evidence of ID. You don't get to ask me to refute a gish gallop of irrelevant PRATTs just because your nose is out of joint.

 

[Speedwell]

Jesus set up the New Testament church and put it into operation.

So yes, there were Christians alive and well circa AD 33.

And still, most of the Bible was written before that, just as Bungle Bear said.