Evolution or Intelligent Design?

[AV1611VET]

Mixed messages though.

What mixed messages?

Do you really expect Egypt to write how they had two million slaves that rose up and:

1. pwned their gods
2. then just walked away
3. then wiped their whole army out without even holding a weapon in their hands

Listen to what a harlot had to say, academia:

Joshua 2:9 And she said unto the men, I know that the LORD hath given you the land, and that your terror is fallen upon us, and that all the inhabitants of the land faint because of you.
10 For we have heard how the LORD dried up the water of the Red sea for you, when ye came out of Egypt; and what ye did unto the two kings of the Amorites, that were on the other side Jordan, Sihon and Og, whom ye utterly destroyed.

Where'd she get that information?

Certainly not from any academic forum anywhere at the source.

HOWEVER, I will consider that some people may have written in diaries or whatever of what happened in their country.

But their diaries would have long crumbled away.

 

[dlamberth]

Do you really expect Egypt to write how they had two million slaves that rose up and:

1. pwned their gods
2. then just walked away
3. then wiped their whole army out without even holding a weapon in their hands

That would have been a pretty big deal. I have no doubt that the Egyptians would have written something about it "if" any of that actually happened.

My take still is urban lure passed on through the lens of religious attitudes of an ancient middle-eastern people.

 

[AV1611VET]

That would have been a pretty big deal.

It sure was.

I have no doubt that the Egyptians would have written something about it "if" any of that actually happened.

Well I'd be willing to say someone did, but it wasn't divinely preserved outside of the Bible.

I'd be moderated if I said what I think [historical] science does to the Jew's religion; but for the record, their Passover is a sacred time to them, and it's interesting that that time is coming up, while scholars are on the internet saying they weren't even in Egypt in the first place.

My take still is urban lure passed on through the lens of religious attitudes of an ancient middle-eastern people.

Of course [your take] is.

You don't want to get off the dean's list, do you?

 

[Bungle_Bear]

while scholars are on the internet saying they weren't even in Egypt in the first place.

Citation?

 

[disciple Clint]

But why would YOU choose to be evasive about a simple question.

why would you ask that question, what makes you think that I am being evasive, isn't it the reader who decides the meaning of the message?

 

[Kylie]

Whether I satisfy that burden of proof to academic standards or not, post #10 still stands as wrong.

The vast majority of the universe is a vacuum. Please explain how this counts as supportive of life.

 

[FrumiousBandersnatch]

Take some common bacteria. Every possible mutation has to
be present, somewhere.

Novel mutations can occur. An obvious example is duplication mutations and mutations on duplicated sequences; there are others.

If that's not what you meant, I'm afraid you lost me.

 

[Astrid]

The vast majority of the universe is a vacuum. Please explain how this counts as supportive of life.

In the plasma, where most of the matter is?

 

[Astrid]

why would you ask that question, what makes you think that I am being evasive, isn't it the reader who decides the meaning of the message?

The reader of your post found it to be deliberately unresponsive.

 

[Frank Robert]

Wow -- just wow.

Right over your head.

Let's try this again, chief.

1. Pharaoh hardened his own heart first.
2. Then he softened up, hoping to kill the Jews according to his own government program.
3. God intervened and forced Pharaoh's hand.

What we do not agree with is how badly your version reflects on God. The fact the evangelical version of Exodus 10 does not contain “And the Lord hardened the heart of Pharaoh,” while most other versions do gives the appearance that they understood how it reflects on God.

Now I understand that you do not read it that way which if fine. I am not on a mission to change minds I am only showing how others can reasonably reach a different conclusion.

 

[Frank Robert]

Really?

What's this?

A math book?

It is interpreted history which is not a reliable historical record.

 

[Astrid]

It is interpreted history which is not a reliable historical record.

Ya think they had a agenda?

 

[AV1611VET]

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[AV1611VET]

It is interpreted history which is not a reliable historical record.

Either that, or It's God's diary, which is a reliable historical record.

 

[AV1611VET]

Ya think they had a agenda?

Great Commission

 

[Frank Robert]

Ya think they had a agenda?

The writers of the OT had a much different agenda than Christians think

What a shock when Christians encounter a Jewish mode of reading these same books. As the Jewish scholar Moshe Goshen-Gottstein put it, where Christians see the Bible as a story about God, humanity and salvation, Jews read it as being about God, people and land. The story of Adam and Eve is a minor theme. Much more central is God’s call of Abraham to be the father of a great nation, and a blessing to the whole world through his obedient following of God’s way. There is no grand narrative in the Hebrew Bible, certainly not one that would culminate in the coming of Jesus, but more a collection of individual stories, sayings and teachings that together constitute a tissue of instructions on how to live a good life as a Jew. There is little emphasis on “salvation,” if that is understood in otherworldly terms as “heaven,” and much more stress on the life of God’s people under the covenant. The prophetic books do not come last so as to lead into the New Testament, but follow the Torah (the books of Moses) as commentary on it.

Source...

 

[Kylie]

In the plasma, where most of the matter is?

You think plasma is conducive to life?

 

[dlamberth]

The vast majority of the universe is a vacuum. Please explain how this counts as supportive of life.

We would not be here if not for the elements manufactured through out the universe. That sounds pretty supportive of life to me. I think life expends much further than what your supposing.

 

[Kylie]

We would not be here if not for the elements manufactured through out the universe. That sounds pretty supportive of life to me. I think life expends much further than what your supposing.

Or maybe life evolved to use the elements that were already being made by the various processes going on throughout the universe.

 

[SelfSim]

Whether I satisfy that burden of proof to academic standards or not, post #10 still stands as wrong.

The vast majority of the universe is a vacuum. Please explain how this counts as supportive of life.

We would not be here if not for the elements manufactured through out the universe.

Or maybe life evolved to use the elements that were already being made by the various processes going on throughout the universe.

Some complex carbon compounds (PAHs or polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons), formed in the cold vacuum of space, can be highly toxic to human life, causing mutations ultimately leading to cancer.

There have been recent reports of PAHs detected forming in cold space away from stars (for the first time ever), at temperatures as low as 10 degrees above absolute zero. These compounds are also thought to play a critical role in the formation of planets, because they are capable of forming interstellar dust grains, which would then be the seeds of asteroids and planets.